August 30th, 2012

Lies of the morning after

Paul Ryan must really have frightened the left, because they can’t just disagree with him, they must discredit him by saying liar, liar, pants on fire. Article after article has appeared purporting to check and expose his terrible lies.

Only trouble is, they’re misrepresenting (otherwise known as “lying”?) about his lies, including what Ryan actually said about the closing of the GM plant in Janesway. Ed Morrissey explains that Ryan clearly acknowledged in his speech that the plant was slated to close before Obama took office:

Ryan acknowledged that the plant had already been slated for shutdown in 2008. That was his point. People voted for him because they thought Obama represented hope to get the plant back in operation. In fact, that had been known since at least February 2008, when Obama came to Janesville to speak, and specifically addressed the plant closure in his remarks, delivered at the plant itself — and promised to keep it and other plants like it open “for the next hundred years.”

Read the whole thing. And also this.

It is clear that, for the most part, fact-checking by the media has become (or maybe it has long been?) an Orwellian proposition.

I don’t know whether this sort of attack works. Liberals are already firmly in Obama’s camp, and conservatives in Romney/Ryan’s, so it’s irrelevant to members of those groups. It’s those pesky Independents and moderates who cannot ever be predicted or understood—at least not by me—and they’re the ones who need to be reached.

My guess is that many of them are still not paying all that much attention, but what do I know? What does grab them politically is a puzzlement to me; how can anyone still be undecided?

16 Responses to “Lies of the morning after”

  1. Dustoffmom Says:

    Well I see it differently, in that I don’t think there really ARE many, if any, undecideds. What there are is a great many people who are, shall we say, hesitant to express to friends, family, pollsters or (gasp) the press that they have opened their eyes and there really is no halo about his head. But in the secrecy and quiet of that polling booth they know exactly what they are going to say. I don’t believe the polls and have more trust than perhaps I should in the clear sightedness of Americans at heart. Social pressure is a difficult thing to fight for many and thank God we still have a private space in that booth come Nov 06.

  2. Doom Says:

    I think independents, of the undecided variety, play a game they can’t win… who will give me the most. They are looking to square their circle with a candidate. Obummber has sort of put a bitter taste on most of their tongues, but the promises are so very good. They aren’t in it for the theories, right or wrong, or any of that, just… what is in, as they see things, their best interests. Of course, their interests can change, they are generally emotion based, and they seem to be quite internally conflicted about what is actually finally good for them. It reminds me of betting a banker, you… always lose.

  3. Oldflyer Says:

    I just hope that a fair number of “undecideds” are watching these speeches for themselves.

    Sadly, I cannot even get my two California based daughters, nor my granddaughters, to watch. They already know that Republicans are misguided (their parents/grandparents) or down-right venal (the rest); and no facts to the contrary will be entertained for fear that they will penetrate their normally intelligent skulls.

    Minds are very hard to change, even among people who are in the health care industry and see how badly managed government run programs actually are; and how the system is over-whelmed by illegal aliens. Even people who work hard and pay high taxes so that government can fritter away their hard earned money, or give it to people who don’t even support the system. The trite answer is that compassion compels us to support monster government that will theoretically take care of the less fortunate.

    So, the media can run wild with their fictions and find an attentive and gullible audience.

  4. George Pal Says:

    Assume the undecideds are decided but reticent. Assume the reticence a natural inclination to not having to apologize for voting for the nazi party. Assume the reticence a natural response to having been made aware of mortem ad hominem attacks against them by the MSM and the entertainment industry (stay classy Ms. Barkin). Assume the inclination stems from people having lives and wanting to be left alone to live them and not explain or justify them. Assume Obama is going to lose.

  5. Lizzy Says:

    Apparently the “Paul Ryan is a liar” meme was coordinated by the DNC. According to Stacy McCain, Patrick Gaspard sent out a fundraising email claiming that:
    “Rep. Paul Ryan’s speech to the Republican Convention tonight wasn’t grounded in reality.
    He leveled false attack after false attack against the President, while neglecting to give a single idea for how to move our country forward.”
    So the media is just parroting the latest Obama 2012 talking points. Amazing (but not surprising).

  6. neo-neocon Says:

    Lizzy: neither amazing nor surprising, unfortunately.


  7. kaba Says:

    I love the smell of leftist fear in the morning.

    The best measure of the effectiveness of Ryan’s speech are the measures the left uses to discredit the speech and demonize the speaker.

    I read the text of Ryan’s speech this morning. Truly impressive in its’ simplicity and strength. Reagan would have approved.

  8. parker Says:

    The more vehement and deranged the attack rhetoric, they more frightened they appear. The undecided are actually, as GP notes, not so undecided this time around. BHO reeks of corruption. Deception and desperation poison his rhetoric of racial and class warfare. He is revealed as a Chicago machine man mistakenly given the keys to the Oval Office.

    I feel more confident day by day as we witness the cockroaches scuttle for darkness when the light is turned on. R&R by 3-7%. But R&R had better realize they will be rejected in 2016 if they don’t stop the deficits and dramatically reform social welfare programs. Ryan got one big thing totally correct: “We don’t have much time.”

  9. Curtis Says:

    I agree with Parker but also Oldflyer. I am feeling more confident day by day but the leftist hysteria grows.

    The selection of Ryan has panned out gold despite the absolutely assured claims of the illiberal pundits. I am sensing confidence even in the Republican establishment which had to be dragged out of a “senate only” mind set. Against that quiet nerve bats the hysteria of the left; I do not know quite how to set its sound and fury to actual number.

    The question that will be answered this November is how many have drank hard of that Kool-Aid.

  10. Curtis Says:

    “This is insidious, and it just shows the fear and desperation on the other side.” Col. Allen West

  11. bandit Says:

    Lefty circle jerk agrees that things they don’t like are ‘lies’

  12. parker Says:

    Neo, Curtis. rickl, kolnai, Oldflyer, Artfldgr, foxmarks, and everyone else:

    We are individuals. We do not agree 100%. We can agree to differ when it comes to certain issues, yet we all have core principals we refuse to sacrifice or set aside. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Despite our differences we all recognize evil when we see, hear, and smell it. That is what makes us stronger than the leftists. America is at the crossroad. This is the last chance to begin (slowly and painfully) turning the ship of state away from the iceberg.

    Hold fast. Never give up. If you find yourself on the ground, get up and stand on your own 2 feet. As a younger man I have been put down and come bak to win the bout. Sensei taught me to never back down, to never accept defeat. Fatigue, bruises, dislocated joints, and blood are nothing if victory is the goal.

  13. Jenna Says:

    In his National Review article, “Correcting Reality,” Jonah Goldberg quotes Obama’s 2008 statement to workers at the GM plant in Janesville as follows:
    “A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that GM plant.”

    So we are to understand that a lot of guys Obama went to high school with [in Hawaii] traveled all the way to Wisconsin to work in that Janesville GM plant back in the day? Well, of course they did. No need for fact-checking there.

  14. beverly Says:

    I wish I could be as sanguine. BUT they are going all out to Palinize Ryan.

    This, it seems, is going to be the Left’s tactic from now on: make everyone who opposes their juggernaut into “The Eternal Jew” (see Goebbels et cie.). The same unhinged hatred, the same barrage of demonstrable lies.

    Can the tactic of Kristallnacht be far behind? We like to think that it can’t happen here, but I (and my parents even more so) cannot believe that our fellow countrymen would Ever, in a million years, have elected a Marxist, Muslim-raised, racist, America-hating piece of work like the dangerous man residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

    When he was elected, my 82-year-old dad’s remark was, “I feel like I’ve lost my country.” And he wasn’t, primarily, talking about Obozo. He even said a lot of people in his upper-middle-class suburb in Tennessee voted for the guy. White, Southern, mainstream Protestant, country club members: about half, he figured.

    THAT was the real scandal: how many Americans have “lost the plot” of what America is supposed to be!

  15. IGotBupkis, Purveyor of Fine Cynicism Since 1960 Says:

    My guess is that many of them are still not paying all that much attention, but what do I know? What does grab them politically is a puzzlement to me; how can anyone still be undecided?

  16. IGotBupkis, Purveyor of Fine Cynicism Since 1960 Says:

    My guess is that many of them are still not paying all that much attention, but what do I know? What does grab them politically is a puzzlement to me; how can anyone still be undecided?

    Not sure how the previous one just up and decided to submit itself….

    I am an “independent” — I’m not wedded to either party, though I lean certain ways, mostly those of the small-L libertarian — I have a lot in common with the tea partiers… But I tend towards pro-choice in the most ways… I think the current models seem to be about right in terms of non-religious views and concepts of what should constitute “human life”, and I don’t believe that religious justifications for The Law can or should be the sole basis for The Law. Though I consider myself a staunch conservative, I’m in the same camp as Sir Thomas More:
    William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
    Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
    William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
    Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!


    While religion can influence the law, it should never be the sole basis for any laws.


    But at the moment, I certainly am not “undecided” — I wasn’t undecided even BEFORE The One got elected. I believed he — and the democrats in general — are a grave danger to this nation. So I tend to vote conservative… but that’s never a guarantee. If there was a local democrat I believed more of a “DINO” to steal a term, then I might readily vote for him over a RINO. To ally yourself without flexibility to either camp is to let them be complacent, and that’s how we got into this mess in the first place, as we tolerated the GOP violating everything it said it would do in the Contract With America.

    And unfortunately, by drifting further and further off into Left Field, to the point where Ralph Nader was a radical conservative to them, it was almost impossible to justify voting against the GOP.

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