November 12th, 2012

Ace is correct about the effect economic hardship had on this election…

…but he doesn’t go far enough.

Here’s some of what Ace had to say:

It is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having presided over such a disastrous economy, but there it is: Because the economy is so weak, and people are so miserable and just holding on to their fingernails, the Catastrophic President becomes the only lifeline available to many. They wind up caring less about the economy as a general matter, because their survival instincts are just to keep themselves sheltered and fed. They are looking at the current moment, scared as hell of the next.

Ace doesn’t take the conversation one step further, which is to ask whether this was an unintended positive consequence for Obama of the bad economy despite his having tried his best to fix it, or whether part of the reason he really didn’t try very hard to fix the economy was because his agenda relies on keeping more and more of the populace hurting and dependent on leftist government.

Either way, it’s a win-win situation, isn’t it (for Obama, anyway, not the rest of us)? But if I had to bet, I’d go with option #2.

44 Responses to “Ace is correct about the effect economic hardship had on this election…”

  1. Artfldgr Says:

    Vinny Gambini: What about these pants I got on, you think they’re O.K.?
    [Looks down]
    Vinny Gambini: Oh!
    Mona Lisa Vito: [comes out of the bathroom] Imagine you’re a deer. You’re prancing along, you get thirsty, you spot a little brook, you put your little deer lips down to the cool clear water… BAM! A fuckin bullet rips off part of your head! Your brains are laying on the ground in little bloody pieces! Now I ask ya. Would you give a fuck what kind of pants the son of a bitch who shot you was wearing?

  2. rickl Says:

    I’ve been saying it was deliberate from the word go.

  3. holmes Says:

    I think he tried to fix it, but only limiting those efforts to the officially approved methods of centralized planners (Keynesians.) It didn’t work, but no one seemed to care.

    And now 68 regulations a day, the cost of which are in the hundreds of billions. They just really believe there’s no connection.

  4. holmes Says:

    Do you ever watch Restaurant Impossible? The show on the food channel? What strikes me about it as that each and every time the people, who are business owners, need an epiphany before they come out of their depressed circumstances, reflected in their abysmally rundown restaurant. But they limped on for years until it was a crisis. I think that’s where we are right now.

  5. blert Says:

    He’d better be getting that kind of synergy…

    Because NAM unemployment is about to head to the stars.

    0bamacare/ 0bamaneglect imposes a Flat Tax on all labor, pretty much across the economy.

    It pushes the marginal employees, en masse, onto the ‘bubble.’ They must be terminated at the next opportunity — ASAP, really.

    This, then, is the next wave of contraction in our economic winter.

    ———–

    By terminating so many slots within the DoD, the number one route to NAM advancement is being throttled. Youth NAM unemployment will reach Spanish levels with astonishing speed.

    In a tight economy, ALL employers figure to save on labor costs by cutting training budgets. This can work only by hiring seasoned workers. McJobs won’t count.

    And, in other news, Barry’s EPA is shutting down America’s low cost energy advantage.

    Say goodbye to Democrat blue collar employment.

  6. Rose Says:

    The only thing more depressing than Obama’s election in 2008 is his re-election in 2012.

    Joking about Kool-Aid doesn’t even begin to explain the bizarre behavior of the electorate. But mass drugging/hypnosis is the only thing that makes any sense. Why are some of us immune?

    – - Voter fraud is the only other plausible explanation. We need a nationwide recount, and the military votes have to be counted. NOW.

  7. Artfldgr Says:

    t is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having presided over such a disastrous economy….

    actually its not so hard to understand if you can put the pieces together that let you know the current state of things. it requires demographics to be matched up with other things like pc correct policy.

    but mostly… women and minorities and LGBT were promised largess from one class whose vote dominates the republican ticket. (not to mention the language in the pamphlets and fact sheets they hand out that make it clear).

    given that the hate isn’t going to stop, the asymmetric offerings are not going to stop, the violence is not going to stop, there is no reason for the demographic group to not keep voting Hegelian opposite and continuing its below replacement slide into oblivion. as long as they are around it wont change and will accelerate given current conditions are doing that to the demographics.

  8. Wolla Dalbo Says:

    Forget economic issues, it is starting to appear that the main reason that Obama won was just plain old cheating, as reports of things like the 56 voting districts in Philadelphia with not one single vote for Romney in even one of them, places where Obama got 99% of the vote, and millions of likely Romney voters who supposedly “stayed home” are starting to emerge. The second example passed off as not very unusual at all by some academic type in comments on the Internet today.

    So, I ask you, how likely is it that in a secret ballot with thousands of voters in each of something like 60 districts, one candidate gets every single vote, and another gets absolutely none–not even one? Even Fidel Castro doesn’t get such vote totals!

    Every one knew that Ohio and a couple of other States would be key, Soros even had his “Secretary of State Project” to elect Democrat Secretaries of State who would rule favorably on the side of Democrats in election matters and disputes up and running back in 2007, and it paid early dividends in the Minnesota Senate race, where many thousands of ballots suddenly appeared late in the game, in one city alone more than 300 felons illegally voted, and Al Franken won by less than 300 votes.

    So, the fix was in, but don’t hold your breath for the Voting Rights section in Holder’s Justice Department to do any investigating.

  9. M J R Says:

    Wolla Dalbo, I can readily believe that in some chromatically homogeneous districts, all the votes would go to the candidate who is chromatically the same or similar hue.

    But I do question the veracity of the ultra-high turnouts, especially in precincts where the counts of reported votes exceed the number of registered voters.

    And I duly note evidence of fraud in many/most of the swing states. Did anyone notice how virtually all the swing states barely swung in the incumbent’s direction? How conveeeeenient.

    And I certainly would like for those military ballots to have been counted.

    But I’m too old to fight city hall.

    They’ve won — not fair and square, but they’ve won.

    It is disgusting how the “R” Party is meekly accepting the sodomy. No lawsuits, no attempts to delegitimize the election, like our leftie adversary would be certain to have done? No; Boehner proclaims that the health care act is the law of the land. Maybe it is now, but Boehner didn’t have to legitimize it.

    I wanna get off.

  10. neo-neocon Says:

    M J R: I think that fraud might have existed, but it did not determine the election. The results were too uniform across many many states, including those that do not have big-city Democratic machines and a history of fraud like Philadelphia or Chicago. I think the Republicans would do well to understand why they lost this election rather than blame fraud.

    Of course, all charges of fraud should be pursued. I’m not naive about big-city Democratic machines. But I don’t think fraud determined the results of this election. The results, by the way, were also very consistent with the polls. Unless you think the polls were rigged and then the fix was calibrated so carefully, across so many states, that it succeeded in matching the polls nearly exactly, it’s time to admit that Obama won because the majority of voters preferred him. We need to look at why.

  11. rickl Says:

    I agree, Wolla and M J R. There is a lot that doesn’t pass the smell test.

    Although if the districts in question are 100% black, I can kind of believe those totals. If Republican votes were “disappeared”, it didn’t happen in inner-city districts.

    As I said over the weekend, I think the fact that one of the first things Obama did was to put the Census under control of the White House is significant. Why else would he have done that? Was an explanation ever offered?

    And we all know that the Democrats had lawyers champing at the bit and ready to go if Romney had won. The fact that the Republicans just meekly roll over and don’t challenge these “pecularities” is nauseating. It’s like they don’t really want to win.

  12. Mr. Frank Says:

    Over the past few years criminologists have wondered why crime has not gone up in such a bad economy. My guess is many of the poor don’t really participate in the work economy. Many are in the underground economy and many are on welfare of some sort. Many of Obama’s supporters are not looking for a job. Their primary interest is in keeping the free stuff coming. Obama was the guy for that.

    When Romney would talk about getting the economy going again, that had limited appeal.

  13. neo-neocon Says:

    rickl: unfortunately I can’t find the link to the article right now, but when I read about the Philadelphia situation (the 59 precincts where 100% of the votes were for Obama) it mentioned that in 2008 there were 57 precincts where 100% of the votes were for Obama. It also said that in those precincts, for many years there have been close to zero registered Republicans, and when they checked out the few that are listed, they seemed to have moved or just not been there. So I have no trouble thinking this is real, and just a reflection of the very monolithic voting there. It also said the Philadelphia as a whole is 85% Democratic.

  14. rickl Says:

    neo:
    Yes, I think I saw the same article. I can believe the vote totals.

    But some Philadelphia precincts report 100% (or higher) turnout, and that’s normal and nothing new. I guess those people are very civic-minded.

  15. Inkraven Says:

    I’m reminded of the video that was going around during the campaign of the unpleasant “Obama phone” woman (from Ohio IIRC). She was convinced in her heart of hearts that Obama gave her a cell phone. It mattered not one lick that Obama had sod all to do with her receiving a subsidized phone; the program was started under clinton and expanded under Bush 43. All that mattered was that she *believed* Obama gave her a phone. Unless the GOP can up the ante to plasma TVs or something, there’s no way they can compete with that woman’s skewed perceptions.

  16. neo-neocon Says:

    rickl: I’ve seen that meme that some precincts report 100% turnouts. The meme has spread through the right side of the blogosphere. Only thing is, it’s incorrect, either a misunderstanding or an unsupported rumor.

    Just try to find a reliable source for it.

  17. Mr. Frank Says:

    Two categories who have really been hurt by the Obama economy are middle class blacks and recent college graduates. Blacks have lost their jobs, house and savings (last hired, first fired). The recent graduates have been unable to find full time employment in their fields and their student debt will hang over them for many years.

    Both these groups have been big boosters of Obama. They have failed to see the connection between an anti business and anti oil president and their fate. At least there is some justice in that.

  18. Charles Says:

    “It is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having presided over such a disastrous economy.”

    Yes, that is what should have been the number one issue of this election.

    So many of us are out of work (2 years and counting for me) or work that can be found is underpaid and overworked (so many companies are pushing folks to work overtime without pay – illegal yes; but folks do it because they know that they can be replaced at the drop of a hat).

    How, I wonder, can so many Americans turn their backs on this issue? How?

    I personally do not believe that they voted so they could get the government bailout for themselves – 51% of the American public cannot be that naive to believe such hogwash.

    I have been dissappointed with election outcomes before; Heck, I have even been sad.

    But never, NEVER, have I been angry. And I am so angry about this – not because Obama won and I don’t like the guy. No, I am angry because so many of my fellow Americans have turned their backs on other Americans. They just don’t care any more that millions cannot find work – any work!

    I find myself going about my daily business wondering about the people I see and meet – did they vote for Obama? Do they not care about those of us out of work?

  19. M J R Says:

    neo, when you write, “I think the Republicans would do well to understand why they lost this election rather than blame fraud,” I totally agree. I am ^not^ blaming the loss on fraud — there’s plenty of factors to share the blame — but I also don’t think it should be swept under the rug.

    I do think there is reasonable evidence of fraud, and (yes) I do think it was spread across many states (the swing states), and I also agree with rickl when he writes, “there is a lot that doesn’t pass the smell test;” and when he goes on,

    “we all know that the Democrats had lawyers champing at the bit and ready to go if Romney had won. The fact that the Republicans just meekly roll over and don’t challenge these ‘pecularities’ is nauseating. It’s like they don’t really want to win.”

    neo also writes, “unless you think the polls were rigged and then the fix was calibrated so carefully, across so many states” — isn’t it “peculiar” (rickl’s word again), neo, that the tossup states virtually all went to the incumbent by a hair? Smell test. It was ^too^ good, in my preliminary opinion.

    It’s not a question of rigging polls, but of rigging actual results (to heck with the polls, ancient history by now)!

  20. neo-neocon Says:

    M J R: no, I do not think it peculiar that the swing states all went to Obama by similar small margins. If you study the history of close elections, that’s exactly what tends to happen, or very close to it. Although each state is slightly different, the trends tend to affect them all, and if one tips in a certain candidate’s direction, most (or all) of the others tend to do the same.

    I would actually find it more peculiar if they all varied a lot from each other.

  21. M J R Says:

    Friend neo . . .

    Many swing states (say, eight?), all about 50-50, but the incumbent manages to get eight out of eight heads (and no tails)??

    Probability of that = 1 in 2^8 . . . or 1 in 256.

    Probability of varied heads/tails, say 3 or 4 or 5 heads in 8 coin flips, quite a bit greater.

    For me, smell test. For thee, guess not.

    Peace.

  22. gottarideduc Says:

    I don’t buy Ace’s hypothesis.
    Here’s West Virginia with a high number of people on welfare and all 55 counties went for Romney. Plus 11 out of 100 new Repub Delegates plus 3 Senators plus the Attorney General.
    According to Ace this couldn’t have happened.
    Ace is right, we should all think first.

  23. Eric Says:

    I agree with Ace. My experience with people who aren’t rich and are at risk, but aren’t stupid and pay attention to politics at least to the level of the average American, fear was a big motivator to vote for Obama.

    It’s not that they don’t care about balancing the national budget and other macro-economic issues, but their 1st priority is taking care of ‘me and mine’, and they voted for the candidate who they perceive will guarantee a safety net.

  24. Bob From Virginia Says:

    Back to the original thesis that Obama deliberately sabotaged the economy to keep as many as possible dependent on the government. First I doubt he is that smart. Two this seems to be a case of not explaining by malice what can be explained by incompetence. Three, now that it is occurring he is certain to take advantage of it and try and see that it continues.

    Anyway the guilty party here is not Obama but the people who voted for him. BTW does anyone know when this economic collapse we have been hearing so much about is going to start? I am always anxious for new experiences and frankly simply complaining about Obama for four years has turned me into a bit of bore. Missing a day or two of food every now and then should refreshing.

  25. chuck Says:

    Here’s West Virginia with a high number of people on welfare and all 55 counties went for Romney.

    My family on my father’s side is from there and my cousin works as a WV state auditor. It’s a Democratic state for sure, which made my MA aunt happy, until my cousin explained about coal. As he pointed out, the work is underground, but a miner makes about $70K a year and they really don’t want to give that up. I think this adds support to Ace’s thesis. Give it another year and I suspect that sentiment will spread a lot further in the region.

  26. Bob From Virginia Says:

    If the bulwark of American democracy, the traditional white male culture, who were the ruling class in this country have to surrender to survive then it does look like the United States did end last Tuesday.

    We are all lackeys now.

  27. parker Says:

    “First I doubt he is that smart. Two this seems to be a case of not explaining by malice what can be explained by incompetence. Three, now that it is occurring he is certain to take advantage of it and try and see that it continues.”

    First, he is not that smart. Second, he is incompetent. Third, he is getting exactly what he wanted.

  28. Mitsu Says:

    Historically, presidents do better when the economy does better. It’s a pretty stark and simple correlation. The economic numbers this year were right on the edge, according to the analysts I have read (Modeled Behavior at Forbes for instance, predicted a narrow Obama win based on the economic numbers, months ago). The idea tha Obama would purposefully slow the recovery is farfetched and simply at odds with election history which I am quite sure the Obama team knows very well.

  29. Sergey Says:

    Those who are suprised now are just as naive as those who were astonished how such enlightened country as Germany voted in big numbers for Nazi. Ideology, propaganda and cult of personality did the trick. Ignorance and lack of civic education, moral degradation induced by popular culture made this possible.

  30. Ira Says:

    M J R Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
    Friend neo . . .

    Many swing states (say, eight?), all about 50-50, but the incumbent manages to get eight out of eight heads (and no tails)??

    Obama won no state that he hadn’t also won in 2008. He did not win every state that he had won in 2008, with Indiana and North Carolina going to Romney. Voter turnout in general was down, with Obama getting much, much fewer voters this time, and Romney getting almost as many votes as McCain.

    There is no evidence yet that any game-changing voter fraud occurred in connection with the presidential race.

  31. fiona Says:

    1) All the results are not yet in. It may take until December. 2) the fear is real and maybe deeper than Ace knows. It is not only a fear of the present, but a fear of the future. For a lot of the people I talked to walking neighborhoods, a growing economy and employment may not affect them. They are unsure of their ability to manage in it – thinking that the jobs that are created will not be ones they can obtain. Their future and that of their children is not rosy. I have never met Americans so deeply pessimistic and with good reason. Glenn Reynolds “they’ll turn us into beggars ’cause they’re easier to please” applies here – not a bug, but a feature for the government.

  32. kolnai Says:

    Mitsu -

    Like FDR’s reelection, for example.

    Looking at correlations over normal history is insufficient when dealing with abnormal, paradigm-shifting history. And there aren’t enough data points there to start talking about meaningful extrapolations from the “correlations.”

    It is far-fetched to think Obama would tank a recovery, but then Obama himself believes in far-fetched ideas. I don’t myself think he intentionally slowed the economy. Rather, I think he assumed it would improve naturally around the margins allowing him to pummel key sectors – the so-called “commanding heights” – as much as he could.

    I’d bet if you caught him in an unguarded, private moment, you’d hear from him that he genuinely thinks our economy is strong now and getting “better.” The question is what he means by “better.”

    It’s a matter of priorities. And fostering growth through free market reforms ain’t one of Obama’s. Allowing lumbering, slow motion growth, just above complete stagnation, while going to town on the commanding heights, is.

    It’s “far-fetched” to think otherwise, see.

  33. Pat Says:

    I go with option 2. One of his first acts post election was to close off 1.6 million acres of Federal land originally slated for shale development. He did open “up 677,000 acres for oil shale drilling in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming, and also 130,000 for tar sands activities in Utah.” That fits the Obama modus operandi. He claimed to have created millions of jobs while lying about the millions more he destroyed. He’ll claim credit for the land he opened up, and lie about the land he closed off.

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/12/feds-aim-to-close-off-more-lands-to-drilling-despite-obama-remarks/#ixzz2C7AFivgM

  34. Artfldgr Says:

    Just try to find a reliable source for it.

    Fulton election results show more than 100% turnout in 4 precincts
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/fulton-election-results-show-more-100-turnout-4-pr/nQCzY/

  35. Artfldgr Says:

    Wonderfully put Sergey

  36. Zachriel Says:

    Ace: It is difficult to understand how a President could be reelected having presided over such a disastrous economy,

    Not at all. The financial meltdown occurred before Obama took office, and the economy was losing nearly a millions jobs a month when he took office.
    http://p.twimg.com/A4eTqQXCUAEr9Cr.jpg

    Polls show that more voters blame Bush for the U.S. economic problems.

    neo-neocon: Ace doesn’t take the conversation one step further, which is to ask whether this was an unintended positive consequence for Obama of the bad economy despite his having tried his best to fix it, or whether part of the reason he really didn’t try very hard to fix the economy was because his agenda relies on keeping more and more of the populace hurting and dependent on leftist government.

    Reelection and economic performance are closely related, so thinking the president would purposefully crash the economy just doesn’t make sense. In any case, much of the increased dependence is due to the financial meltdown at the end of the Bush Administration.

    The U.S. has ample resources to meet its challenges, and most countries would love to have America’s problems.

  37. Zachriel Says:

    M J R: Many swing states (say, eight?), all about 50-50, but the incumbent manages to get eight out of eight heads (and no tails)??

    Except winning is not a random variable with a uniform probability distribution Rather, most polls showed Obama with a lead in most swing states for several weeks running before the election. Statistical analysis of polls gave Obama a 90% chance of winning enough electoral votes to win reelection.

  38. Artfldgr Says:

    Look. its VERY easy to understand why, and i can see that everyone is avoiding the actual answer. ie. they dont want the answer to be what it is, so they keep searching and twisting to create something else.

    Colorado
    70.0 non Latino white
    20.7 Latino
    4 black
    2.8 Asian
    5 other

    since NONE of the minority groups have the vote on their own, they need X amount of non latino white women voting against their traditional mates to receive perks with their people in shared oppression by the one group.

    without them voting and canceling out the other largest group, obama could not win.

    Florida
    57.9 non Latino white
    22.5 Latino
    16.0 black
    5 other

    again… without the women canceling the votes of their traditional mates, the voting totals could not vote in affirmative action, freebies, welfare, and on and on and on it goes (As each group can participate in receiving, but only one group cant)

    there was only ONE group that had to be appealed to to change the outcome of the election that might be receptive under the idea that whither their mates go, they go.

    Ohio
    81.1 non Latino white
    3.1 Latino
    12.2 black
    5 other

    the effect is CLEAR to see in Ohio…
    20% can never win without how many others canceling out the votes?

    Va.
    64.8 non Latino white
    7.9 Latino
    19.4 black
    5.5 Asian
    4 other

    add it up… only one group had the deciding vote.

    I said if you attacked feminism and got the young women to side against it, they would then vote with their traditional mates, not cancel out a la Hegel, and the election results would be what?

    but no… its not them..

    however, you don’t take the View seriously..
    but Obama and Michelle did… and that is a conduit to feminist women who dont work (and ones that do with a DVR)

    anyone read Ms. Magazine: Obama Super-Feminist Cover? from the year before?

    anyone bother to read what they were giving the YOUNG girls? nope…

    did any of you bother to read the pamplets given out to them, and to others? in which the language over focuses on scapegoats (ignoring groups that out perform the designated thing)

    at what point are you all going to realize that they just overthrew the ‘patriarchy’ of western civ?

    young women outnumber older women
    (so older women are out of touch)

    so many here didnt want to spend time over at pandagon, and other feminist sites, and then look over at the mens sites, and on and on.

    they did not look to the fact that the demographic here is overwhelmingly slanted and so has no conduit to know whats going on (nor do they care enough to look, or believe when they are told. surprise is really the only outcome)

    go ahead… the demographic dance was done in each of the swing states, and without that one group of feminist women… (regardless of others who don’t exist in numbers large enough to matter, nor take any action of any note, other than to be like peter and deny three times before every cock crows)

    you cant break a 70+ percent majority without complicity

    you see… you OLDER Women did not HAVE to attend a womens studies course… have you?

    but from grade school on up, thats what these kids and women get… so its absolutely no suprise that older women would not have an idea of what the younger people are being taught and what drives them.

    Women’s studies
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_studies

    Feminist activism not only focuses on women’s issues but has spread throughout many other movements including (but not limited to) environmental issues, body politics, feminist art, identity issues, reproductive rights, gender issues, animal rights, homosexual rights, and ethnic minority rights. These forms of activism can include letter writing, boycotting, protesting, the visual arts, bodily demonstrations, education, and leafleting. In current feminism, the focus has shifted to encompass an outlook and desire for equality for all—identifying oppressive systems and forces around the world that affect all types of beings. Feminist activism explores the intersections of social, political, and cultural histories (among various others denominators), their implications, and dedicates time and energy to the liberation of all people from injustices

    Simply studying or being a student of women’s studies can be seen as activism in it of itself. Therefore, for most students of women’s studies, an activism status is already engaged. To foster the growth of the study body, one of the key aspects of women’s studies classes and programs is to connect the classroom to social change. Women’s studies classes and programs focus on power structures, oppression, inequality, and social suffering. Students are encouraged to bridge their learning and community involvement and take action in the world to foster positive social transformation. Students and feminist activists not only learn about oppression in society but also look at the possibility for a global unity in difference.

    and where is the counter message?

    Women’s Studies Programs, Departments, & Research Centers

    Adelphi University (NY) – Gender Studies Program
    Agnes Scott College (GA) – Women’s Studies Program
    Albion College (MI) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Albright College (PA) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Alfred University (NY) – Women’s Studies Program
    Allegheny College (PA) – Women’s Studies Program
    Alma College (MI) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    American University (DC) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    American University (DC) – Washington College of Law
    LL.M. degree with a specialization in Gender and the Law; Program on Gender, Work, and Family.
    Amherst College (MA) – Department of Women’s & Gender Studies
    Anne Arundel Community College (MD) – Gender and Sexuality Studies
    Appalachian State University (NC) – Women’s Studies Program
    Aquinas College (MI) – Women’s Studies Center
    Arizona State University – Women and Gender Studies Program
    Ph.D. in Gender Studies
    Arizona State University, New College – Women and Gender Studies Program
    Auburn University (AL) – Women’s Studies Program
    Augsburg College (MN) – Women’s Studies
    Augusta State University (GA) – Women’s Studies
    Augustana College (IL) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Augustana College (SD) – Gender Studies Minor
    Austin College (TX) – Gender Studies
    Austin Peay State University (TN) – Women’s and Gender Studies

    Ball State University (IN) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Barnard College (NY) – Department of Women’s, Gender, & Sexuality Studies
    Bates College (ME) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Bellevue University (NE) – Women’s Studies Minor
    Beloit College (WI) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Bemidji State University (MN) – Women’s Studies
    Bennett College for Women (NC) – Africana Women’s Studies
    Bentley College (MA) – Gender Studies Minor
    Berea College (KY) – Women’s & Gender Studies Program
    Berkeley City College (CA) – Women’s Studies Certificate
    Berry College (GA) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Bloomfield College (NJ) – Women’s Studies
    Bluegrass Community & Technical College (KY) – Women’s & Gender Studies
    Bluffton University (OH) – Women’s Studies
    Boise State University (ID) – Gender Studies Program
    Boston College (MA) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Boston University (MA) – Women’s, Gender & Sexuality Studies Program
    Bowdoin College (ME) – Gender and Women’s Studies
    Bowling Green State University (OH) – Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Graduate Certificate in Women’s Studies
    Bradley University (IL) – Women’s Studies Program
    Brandeis University (MA) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Joint M.A. with ten different Ph.D programs and a joint M.A. in five M.A. programs
    Brandeis University (MA) – Women’s Studies Research Center
    Brandeis University (MA) – Hadassah International Research Institute on Jewish Women
    Brescia University (KY) – Contemporary Woman Program
    Bridgewater State College (MA) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Brigham Young University (UT) – Women’s Studies
    Brooklyn College (NY) – Women’s Studies
    Brown University (RI) – Gender & Sexuality Studies
    Bryn Mawr College (PA) – Gender and Sexuality Studies
    Bucknell University (PA) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Buena Vista University (IA) – Gender and Women’s Studies

    Cabrillo College (CA) – Women’s Studies
    Caldwell College (NJ) – Department of Women’s Studies
    California Institute of Integral Studies
    M.A. and Ph.D. in Women’s Spirituality (Philosophy and Religion)
    California Lutheran University – Gender and Women’s Studies Minor
    California Polytechnic State University – Women’s and Gender Studies Department
    California State University, Bakersfield – Women and Gender Studies
    California State University, Chico – Center for Multicultural and Gender Studies
    California State University, Dominguez Hills – Women’s Studies Program
    California State University, East Bay – Women’s Studies Program
    California State University, Fresno – Women’s Studies Program
    California State University, Fullerton – Women & Gender Studies and Queer Studies
    California State University, Long Beach – Department of Women’s, Gender & Sexuality Studies
    California State University, Northridge – Gender & Women’s Studies
    California State University, Sacramento – Women’s Studies Program
    California State University, San Marcos – Women’s Studies Program
    California State University, Stanislaus – Gender Studies
    California University of Pennsylvania (PA) – Women’s Studies Program
    Calvin College (MI) – Gender Studies
    Canisius College (NY) – Women’s Studies
    Cardinal Stritch University (MN) – Women’s Studies
    Carleton College (MN) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Carlow University (PA) – Women’s Studies
    Carthage College (WI) – Women and Gender Studies
    Case Western Reserve University (OH) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Casper College (WY) – Gender Studies
    Castleton State College (VT) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Cedar Crest College (PA) – Gender Studies
    Centre College (KY) – Gender Studies
    Central Connecticut State University – Women, Gender, & Sexuality Studies
    Central Michigan University – Women and Gender Studies Program
    Central Washington University – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Century College (MN) – Women and Gender Studies
    Cerritos College (CA) – Department of Women’s Studies
    Chaminade University (HI) – Gender Studies
    Chatham College (PA) – Women’s Studies
    City College of New York – Women’s Studies Program
    City University of New York – Graduate Certificate Program in Women’s Studies
    Graduate Certificate in Women’s Studies
    City College of San Francisco (CA) – Department of Women’s Studies
    Claremont Colleges (CA) – Intercollegiate Women’s Studies Program
    Claremont Graduate University (CA) – Applied Women’s Studies
    Masters in Applied Women’s Studies
    Claremont Graduate University (CA) – Women’s Studies in Religion
    M.A. and Ph. D. in Women’s Studies in Religion
    Clarion University of Pennsylvania – Women and Gender Studies
    Clark Atlanta University (GA) – Africana Women’s Studies
    M.A. and D.A. in the Humanities with concentration on Africana Women’s Studies
    Clark College (WA) – Women’s Studies
    Clark University (MA) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Clemson University (SC) – Women’s Studies
    Cleveland State University (OH) – Women’s Studies
    Coe College (IA) – Gender Studies Program
    Colby College (ME) – Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Colgate University (NY) – Women’s Studies Program
    College of Charleston (SC) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    College of Mount St. Joseph (OH) – Women’s Studies Program
    College of New Jersey (formerly Trenton State College) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    College of New Rochelle (NY) – Women’s Studies
    College of Notre Dame of Maryland – Women’s Studies
    College of Saint Benedict/Saint John’s University (MN) – Gender and Women’s Studies
    College of St. Catherine (MN) – Women’s Studies
    College of St. Elizabeth (NJ) – Women’s Studies
    College of St. Rose (NY) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    College of St. Scholastica (MN) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    College of Southern Nevada – Women’s Studies Program
    College of Staten Island, CUNY (NY) – Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    College of the Holy Cross (MA) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    College of William and Mary (VA) – Women’s Studies
    College of Wooster (OH) – Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Colorado College (CO) – Feminist and Gender Studies
    Colorado State University, Fort Collins – Center for Women’s Stueis and Gender Research
    Colorado State University-Pueblo – Women’s Studies Program
    Columbia College Chicago (IL) – Institute for the Study of Women & Gender in the Arts and Media
    Columbia University (NY) – Institute for Research on Women and Gender
    Certificate in Feminist Scholarship
    Community College of Allegheny County (PA) – Women’s Studies
    Community College of Baltimore County (MD) – Women’s Studies
    Concordia University Chicago (IL) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Connecticut College – Program in Gender and Women’s Studies
    Consumnes River College (CA) – Interdisciplinary Studies: Women’s Studies
    Cornell College (IA) – Women’s Studies Program
    Cornell University (NY) – Feminist, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Curry College (MA) – Women and Gender Studies
    Dartmouth College (NH) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Davidson College (NC) – Gender Studies Concentration
    De Anza College (CA) – Women’s Studies Department
    Denison University (OH) – Women’s Studies Program
    DePaul University (IL) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    M.A. in Women’s and Gender Studies; Graduate Level Concentration in Women’s Studies through an M.A. in Liberal Studies and an M.A. in Interdisciplinary Studies
    DePauw University (IN) – Women’s Studies Department
    Dickinson College (PA) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Dominican University (IL) – Women and Gender Studies
    Dominican University of California (CA) – Women and Gender Studies
    Drake University (IA) – Women’s Studies Department
    Drew University (NJ) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Drexel University (PA) – Academic Program in Women’s Studies
    Duke University (NC) – Women’s Studies Program
    Graduate Certificate in Women’s Studies; must get M.A. or Ph.D in another department plus graduate certificate in Women’s Studies
    Duquesne University (PA) – Center for Women’s and Gender Studies
    Graduate certificate in Women’s and Gender Studies
    Earlham College (IN) – Women’s, Gender, Sexuality Studies
    East Carolina University (NC) – Women’s Studies Program
    East Stroudsburg University (PA) – Women’s Studies
    East Tennessee State University – Women’s Studies Program
    Eastern Connecticut State University – Women’s Studies Minor
    Eastern Illinois University – Women’s Studies
    Eastern Kentucky University – Women and Gender Studies Program
    Eastern Michigan University – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Master of Liberal Studies in Women’s and Gender Studies
    Eastern New Mexico University – Women’s Studies Program
    Eastern Oregon University – Gender Studies
    Eastern Washington University – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    Eckerd College (FLA) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Edgewood College (WI) – Women’s and Gender Studies Minor
    Elmira College (NY) – Women’s Studies Minor
    Elon College (NC) – Women’s/Gender Studies Program
    Emmanuel College (MA) – Gender and Women’s Studies
    Emory University (GA) – Department of Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Ph.D in Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Emporia State University (KS) – Ethnic and Gender Studies

    Fairfield University (CT) – Women, Gender and Sexuality Studies
    Fairleigh Dickinson University (NJ) – Women’s Studies Minor
    Five College Women’s Studies Research Center
    Florida Atlantic University, Boca Raton – Center for Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    M.A. in Women’s Studies
    Florida International University – Women’s Studies Center
    Florida State University – Women’s Studies Program
    Women’s Studies minor available for M.A. and Ph.D. students
    Folsom Lake College (CA) – Interdisciplinary Studies: Women’s Studies
    Foothill College (CA) – Women’s Studies
    Fordham University (NY) – Women’s Studies Program
    Fort Lewis College (CO) – Gender and Women’s Studies
    Franklin & Marshall College (PA) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Franklin Pierce University (NH) – Women in Leadership Certificate [~WGS Program]
    Fresno City College (CA) – Women’s Studies
    Frostburg State University (MD) – Women’s Studies Program
    Furman University (SC) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    George Mason University (VA) – Women and Gender Studies Program
    M.A.I.S. with concentration in Women and Gender Studies
    Georgetown College (KY) – Women’s Studies
    Georgetown University (DC) – Women’s and Gender Studies Program
    George Washington University (DC) – Women’s Studies Program
    M.A. in Women’s Studies and Women’s Studies and Public Policy, Ph.D Concentration in Gender and Social Policy or Women’s Studies, Graduate Certificate in Women’s Studies; 4 joint degree programs involving Law (J. D. or LL.M.) and an M.A. in Women’s Studies or in Public Policy with a concentration in Women’s Studies.
    Georgia College & State University – Women’s Studies Minor
    Georgian Court University (NJ) – Women’s Studies
    Georgia State University – Women’s Studies Institute
    Graduate Certificate and M.A. in Women’s Studies
    Georgia Tech (GA) – Center for the Study of Women, Science & Technology
    Gettysburg College (PA) – Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Gonzaga University (WA) – Department of Women’s and Gender Studies
    Goshen College (IN) – Women’s Studies Department
    Goucher College (MD) – Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Graduate Consortium in Women’s Studies (MA) – 9 institutions
    Grand Rapids Community College (MI) – Gender Studies
    Grand Valley State University (MI) – Women and Gender Studies Program
    Greenfield Community College (MA) – Gender and Women’s Studies
    Greensboro College (NC) – Women’s and Gender Studies
    Grinnell College (IA) – Gender and Women’s Studies Concentration
    Guilford College (NC) – Women’s, Gender & Sexuality Studies
    Gustavus Adolphus College (MN) – Women’s Studies

    Hamilton College (NY) – Women’s Studies
    Hamline University (MN) – Women’s Studies Program
    Hampshire College (MA) – Feminist Studies Program
    Hartford College for Women (CT) – Women’s Studies Program
    Hartwick College (NY) – Women’s & Gender Studies Minor
    Harvard University (MA) – Studies of Women, Gender, and Sexuality
    Graduate Secondary Field in Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies
    Haverford College (PA) – Gender and Sexuality Studies
    Hobart and William Smith Colleges (NY) – Women’s Studies
    Hofstra University (NY) – Women’s Studies
    Hollins University (VA) – Gender and Women’s Studies
    Hood College (MD) – Women’s Studies Minor
    Hope College (MI) – Women’s Studies
    Howard University (DC) – Graduate Program in Women’s Studies
    Graduate Certificate in Women’s Studies
    Humboldt State University (CA) – Critical Race, Gender & Sexuality Studies
    Hunter College, CUNY (NY) – Women and Gender Studies

    thats only up to H..
    and the list isnt even complete.

    now… where did anyone here realize and then get to those students and teach them? note that a lot of those courses are required, and if you dont agree, you fail…

    think that maybe…
    just maybe…
    not knowing whats out there and going on tht one wont imagine it, account for it, and then assess in terms of it?

    and look where all of them go to work
    Career Opportunities
    for Women’s Studies Majors
    https://www.msu.edu/~wmstdy/wsmjr1.htm

    Teaching English as a Second Language with Master’s Degree in ESL from Hunter College.
    Counselor at Ulster County Mental Health teaches courses in the Women’s Studies Program and the Humanistic Education Program. She received her Master’s in Professional Studies from SUNY at New Paltz.
    Librarian.
    Program advising at Mesa Community College.
    Teaching English, Jackson Community College.
    High school teaching.
    Director of graduate education at a Westchester Medical Center, NY.
    Program assistant for the New Paltz Women’s Studies Program. .

    think that might influence kids?

  39. Artfldgr Says:

    the womens vote was so strong it canceled out all the men AND all the women voting otherwise

  40. Artfldgr Says:

    Maybe Minorities’ Values Need Changing
    By Dennis Prager
    http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2012/11/13/maybe_minorities_values_need_changing

    The Democratic Party, and the left generally, have done a magnificent job in identifying conservative values as white male values. One reason for their success is that they dominate virtually every lever of influence — the high schools and universities, television, newspapers, movies, pop culture and everything else except talk radio. Another is that they really believe that conservative values are nothing more than white male — especially aging white male — values. Remember, leftism has its own trinity — the prism through which it perceives the world — race, gender and class. In this case the race is white; the gender is male; and the class is rich.

    As a result of this identification, there is no debate over whether the minorities’ (and single women’s) values are correct or whether the values of the white males are correct.

    The left has successfully forestalled any such national discussion by simply reducing conservative values to the dying fulminations of a former ruling class.

  41. Artfldgr Says:

    found one of the 16% being corrected by one of those married women neo brought up

    Every vote counts: Woman blames husband for Obama win, runs him over with car

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/13/every-vote-counts-woman-blames-husband-for-obama-win-runs-him-over-with-car/

  42. Artfldgr Says:

    Here’s the math. Over 118 million people voted for either Barack Obama (60.5 million) or Mitt Romney (57.7 million). Obama won by approximately 2.8 million votes.

    There are more women than men in the United States. 51 percent of the population are female.

    A larger percentage of women are registered to vote than are men. Among eligible voters, 73 percent of women are registered voters, 69 percent of men registered.

    More women voted in 2012 than men did, both as a straight number and as a percentage of eligible voters. Nationally, 53 percent of the voters were female and 47 percent of the voters were male.

    Mothers vastly outnumber fathers in the United States. The US Census Bureau tells us approximately 85.4 million Americans are mothers and 70.1 million are fathers. This number includes adults whose children are grown and no longer living at home.

    The majority of women voters are mothers. By age 44, 81 percent of women are mothers.

    Mothers with kids under 18 at home voted overwhelmingly for Obama. According to the exit polls, 56 percent of mothers voted for Obama while only 43 percent of them voted for Romney. That’s a 13 point gap between candidates.

    Single women represented the single largest voting bloc for Obama, at 23 percent of the voters, and over two-thirds of them voted for Obama. That means more than 18 million single women voted for Obama, which is a larger identifiable group than the 14.3 million African-Americans who voted for him.

    Currently about 10 million women are single mothers caring for children younger than 18 in their homes.

    Single mothers have become synonymous with poverty in the United States. According to The Women’s Legal Defense and Education Fund, “people in single mother families had a poverty rate of 42.2% and an extreme poverty rate of 21.6%. Poverty means an income less than the official poverty standard, $14,570 for a family of two in 2010. Extreme poverty means an income less than half the poverty standard.”

    http://www.examiner.com/article/how-the-single-mother-factor-was-responsible-for-obama-s-win-1

  43. Sam L. Says:

    Neo, I’m with you on #2. Which is apppopriate, considering the economy is a #2.

  44. M J R Says:

    To Ira and Zachriel,

    I agree that the coin-flip analogy is not ^exactly^ how the swing states should have been modeled. [Coin-flipping entails a binomial distribution, by the way, not a uniform distribution (smile!); I know that.]

    But I did use that analogy in an apparently lame attempt to make the point that for the incumbent to have prevailed by a hair in virtually ALL the swing states struck me as very unexpected, and possibly suspect.

    I still think it’s possibly suspect, but as I wrote to neo, I do ^not^ insist that the election was lost due to fraud — but I do maintain that there has been fraud involved, and it needs to be rooted out, lest sweeping it under the rug emboldens the bad guys to do it more.

    I do think it’s time to move on to today’s posts, but I did want to respond to Ira and Zachriel (and neo); thanks, folks, for keeping me honest!

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