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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/20/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points-smoking-guns-then-and-now/#comment-463468</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zachriel: you demonstrate a vast ignorance (feigned or real) on the subject, so read up.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachriel: you demonstrate a vast ignorance (feigned or real) on the subject, so read up.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachriel</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/20/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points-smoking-guns-then-and-now/#comment-463463</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;your priorities are extremely odd, to say the least. If Benghazi had happened under Bush, you’d be howling for the deepest and broadest of investigations to get to the bottom of this travesty  ... &lt;/i&gt;

Intelligence failures under Bush include the military action that sought disarm Iraq of non-existent WMD. The military invasion and bungled occupation resulted in the implosion of Iraqi society, 100000 deaths and millions of refugees.  During the Bush Administration, there were also deadly attacks on embassies in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. There was also the attacks of 9-11-2001.

Understanding these failures is important to preventing their recurrence. 

&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;... in which:&lt;/i&gt;(a) the most elementary security precautions were not taken
(b) this occurred despite the obviousness of the risk, and multiple requests from our people in Libya

Yes, the source of the failure was putting Americans in an untenable position.

&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;(c) the people were not protected in real time during the ate potack, despite requests, and knowledge of what was happening in real time at the White House&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s probably not the case. Military assets were deployed, but the people were evacuated before they arrived. There is no magic military solution. 

&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;(d) the MSM has protected the president and lied for him, and protected his lies &lt;/i&gt;

At this point, there is no evidence of anyone lying. Nor is there a reasonable rationale for lying. 

&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;(e) the president has not answered the most simple and basic questions about Benghazi, and the MSM does not ask them &lt;/i&gt;

The failure is evident. Understanding that failure is necessary to prevent its recurrence. Not sure what information you think is being withheld.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>your priorities are extremely odd, to say the least. If Benghazi had happened under Bush, you’d be howling for the deepest and broadest of investigations to get to the bottom of this travesty  &#8230; </i></p>
<p>Intelligence failures under Bush include the military action that sought disarm Iraq of non-existent WMD. The military invasion and bungled occupation resulted in the implosion of Iraqi society, 100000 deaths and millions of refugees.  During the Bush Administration, there were also deadly attacks on embassies in Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. There was also the attacks of 9-11-2001.</p>
<p>Understanding these failures is important to preventing their recurrence. </p>
<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>&#8230; in which:</i>(a) the most elementary security precautions were not taken<br />
(b) this occurred despite the obviousness of the risk, and multiple requests from our people in Libya</p>
<p>Yes, the source of the failure was putting Americans in an untenable position.</p>
<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>(c) the people were not protected in real time during the ate potack, despite requests, and knowledge of what was happening in real time at the White House</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably not the case. Military assets were deployed, but the people were evacuated before they arrived. There is no magic military solution. </p>
<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>(d) the MSM has protected the president and lied for him, and protected his lies </i></p>
<p>At this point, there is no evidence of anyone lying. Nor is there a reasonable rationale for lying. </p>
<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>(e) the president has not answered the most simple and basic questions about Benghazi, and the MSM does not ask them </i></p>
<p>The failure is evident. Understanding that failure is necessary to prevent its recurrence. Not sure what information you think is being withheld.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/20/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points-smoking-guns-then-and-now/#comment-463454</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zachriel: your priorities are extremely odd, to say the least.  If Benghazi had happened under Bush, you&#039;d be howling for the deepest and broadest of investigations to get to the bottom of this travesty in which:

(a) the most elementary security precautions were not taken
(b) this occurred despite the obviousness of the risk, and multiple requests from our people in Libya
(c) the people were not protected in real time during the attack, despite requests, and knowledge of what was happening in real time at the White House
(d) the MSM has protected the president and lied for him, and protected his lies (i.e. Candy Crowley, see my posts on the subject)
(e) the president has not answered the most simple and basic questions about Benghazi, and the MSM does not ask them

Moving right along, nothing much to see here.  Of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachriel: your priorities are extremely odd, to say the least.  If Benghazi had happened under Bush, you&#8217;d be howling for the deepest and broadest of investigations to get to the bottom of this travesty in which:</p>
<p>(a) the most elementary security precautions were not taken<br />
(b) this occurred despite the obviousness of the risk, and multiple requests from our people in Libya<br />
(c) the people were not protected in real time during the attack, despite requests, and knowledge of what was happening in real time at the White House<br />
(d) the MSM has protected the president and lied for him, and protected his lies (i.e. Candy Crowley, see my posts on the subject)<br />
(e) the president has not answered the most simple and basic questions about Benghazi, and the MSM does not ask them</p>
<p>Moving right along, nothing much to see here.  Of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachriel</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/20/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points-smoking-guns-then-and-now/#comment-463450</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;Zachriel: so very interesting that you leave out the rest of the quote, “and even Watergate.” &lt;/i&gt;

It was the Clinton imbroglio that caught the eye. 

&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;And that of course the two examples—Lewinsky and Watergate—were used because they are examples of an impeachment (Clinton) and resignation because of threatened impeachment and conviction (Nixon) in recent years. &lt;/i&gt;

Nixon attacked the foundations of constitutional government. The Clinton scandal was the result of a long series of attempts to find dirt in order to undermine the Clinton Administration. 

&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;My point is that these two things were considered impeachable, and Benghazi (where the allegations are worse) is considered “move right along, nothing to see here.” &lt;/i&gt;

The current allegations are hardly on the level of Watergate. There was certainly a failure in Benghazi, caused by exposing the ambassador to inordinate risks. There&#039;s nothing else except innuendo posing as questions. 
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/stephen-colbert-makes-mockery-foxs-benghaz]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>Zachriel: so very interesting that you leave out the rest of the quote, “and even Watergate.” </i></p>
<p>It was the Clinton imbroglio that caught the eye. </p>
<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>And that of course the two examples—Lewinsky and Watergate—were used because they are examples of an impeachment (Clinton) and resignation because of threatened impeachment and conviction (Nixon) in recent years. </i></p>
<p>Nixon attacked the foundations of constitutional government. The Clinton scandal was the result of a long series of attempts to find dirt in order to undermine the Clinton Administration. </p>
<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>My point is that these two things were considered impeachable, and Benghazi (where the allegations are worse) is considered “move right along, nothing to see here.” </i></p>
<p>The current allegations are hardly on the level of Watergate. There was certainly a failure in Benghazi, caused by exposing the ambassador to inordinate risks. There&#8217;s nothing else except innuendo posing as questions.<br />
<a href="http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/stephen-colbert-makes-mockery-foxs-benghaz" rel="nofollow">http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/stephen-colbert-makes-mockery-foxs-benghaz</a></p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/20/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points-smoking-guns-then-and-now/#comment-463381</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zachriel: so very interesting that you leave out the rest of the quote, &quot;and even Watergate.&quot;

And that of course the two examples---Lewinsky and Watergate---were used because they are examples of an impeachment (Clinton) and resignation because of threatened impeachment and conviction (Nixon) in recent years.  My point is that these two things were considered impeachable, and Benghazi (where the allegations are worse) is considered &quot;move right along, nothing to see here.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachriel: so very interesting that you leave out the rest of the quote, &#8220;and even Watergate.&#8221;</p>
<p>And that of course the two examples&#8212;Lewinsky and Watergate&#8212;were used because they are examples of an impeachment (Clinton) and resignation because of threatened impeachment and conviction (Nixon) in recent years.  My point is that these two things were considered impeachable, and Benghazi (where the allegations are worse) is considered &#8220;move right along, nothing to see here.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Zachriel</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/20/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points-smoking-guns-then-and-now/#comment-463364</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;neo-neocon&lt;/b&gt;: &lt;i&gt;Many of us on the right think that Benghazi is a scandal with issues that make it at least potentially far more important than Clinton and Lewinsky &lt;/i&gt;

That important? Heh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>neo-neocon</b>: <i>Many of us on the right think that Benghazi is a scandal with issues that make it at least potentially far more important than Clinton and Lewinsky </i></p>
<p>That important? Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Tanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Tanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is battle field preparation for 2014 and 2016. Even if Obama himself stays above the fray the stench of this episode will waft over the Democratic Party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is battle field preparation for 2014 and 2016. Even if Obama himself stays above the fray the stench of this episode will waft over the Democratic Party.</p>
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		<title>By: GayPatriot &#187; Two great pieces on Benghazi &#38; media bias</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/20/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points-smoking-guns-then-and-now/#comment-463339</link>
		<dc:creator>GayPatriot &#187; Two great pieces on Benghazi &#38; media bias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: LoveEconomicFreedom</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2012/11/20/who-changed-the-benghazi-talking-points-smoking-guns-then-and-now/#comment-463254</link>
		<dc:creator>LoveEconomicFreedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are witnesses to the first administration in history where the executive branch has merged with the MSM in an extremely cooperative way so they are really one organization.  Reminds me of how you always heard in the past that the communist party really ran the USSR and not the elected officials.  &quot;Political Officers&quot; parallel all true military officers but have veto power over any decision.  Politics is always the most important priority.  And to some degree, the administration is above and beyod any balance or control by the other branches (we will work day and night on what we can do outside of congress).  I think the problem is that people are trying to understand and measure this adnministration using history of past administrations and their agreement to live within the law, and to make the country and not politics the primary priority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are witnesses to the first administration in history where the executive branch has merged with the MSM in an extremely cooperative way so they are really one organization.  Reminds me of how you always heard in the past that the communist party really ran the USSR and not the elected officials.  &#8220;Political Officers&#8221; parallel all true military officers but have veto power over any decision.  Politics is always the most important priority.  And to some degree, the administration is above and beyod any balance or control by the other branches (we will work day and night on what we can do outside of congress).  I think the problem is that people are trying to understand and measure this adnministration using history of past administrations and their agreement to live within the law, and to make the country and not politics the primary priority.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaynie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaynie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fox News Watch ostensibly analyses the media. 

The show has knowledgeable panelists, Cal Thomas is amazing, and does a fair job as far as it goes. Way too often, though, it devolves into simply covering a news story rather than its media coverage. 

This show would be so great if it were to focus, laser-like, on shenanigans within the MSM, both on the air and behind the scenes. Naming names and shaming, insofar as lefty can feel shame, would give the show real muscle.

We keep hearing about the imminent death of the MSM, all the while its power and influence seem to remain strong. And some conservatives (my husband for one) dismiss them as a dying dinosaur.  I fear that the rumors of MSM demise are greatly exaggerated. Sadly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox News Watch ostensibly analyses the media. </p>
<p>The show has knowledgeable panelists, Cal Thomas is amazing, and does a fair job as far as it goes. Way too often, though, it devolves into simply covering a news story rather than its media coverage. </p>
<p>This show would be so great if it were to focus, laser-like, on shenanigans within the MSM, both on the air and behind the scenes. Naming names and shaming, insofar as lefty can feel shame, would give the show real muscle.</p>
<p>We keep hearing about the imminent death of the MSM, all the while its power and influence seem to remain strong. And some conservatives (my husband for one) dismiss them as a dying dinosaur.  I fear that the rumors of MSM demise are greatly exaggerated. Sadly.</p>
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