November 21st, 2012

Hispanic votes…

did not make the difference in this election, although they may have mattered in a few states such as New Mexico, Florida, Nevada and Colorado.

Nor do Hispanic voters adhere to conservative values, fiscal or social.

The article doesn’t say it, because it focuses on the Hispanic vote, but the difference that made a difference in most swing states, IMHO, was voters under 30 and unmarried women (there’s a fair amount of overlap there, by the way).

Oh, and here’s an update on those missing McCain voters: it turns out they showed up after all.

Again, the purpose of this Monday-morning quarterbacking is to try to understand what really happened, and not merely repeat the myths about what happened. The goal is for Republicans to fix the problem next time—unless, of course, they continue to Thirst for Death. And yes, it will be difficult, because of the pervasive influence of the leftist slant of the entertainment industry, MSM, and educators.

Especially educators. More about that in future posts.

And to those of you who say “don’t bother, all is lost,” my response is that if you’re correct than these efforts will be futile. But if you’re incorrect then we will have given up a fight that’s vital and winnable, all because of our own lack of effort. Doesn’t make sense to me to do that.

18 Responses to “Hispanic votes…”

  1. huan Says:

    doesn’t really matter the hispanic vote did not cost Romney the election. It does matter that moving forward we are able to effectively sell the principles of our ideals to all groups without selling out ourselves in the process.
    that we did not lose because of the hispanic vote means we should sell out on immigration reform AND still make an effort to win more hispanic votes.

  2. physicsguy Says:

    The under 30, unmarried women demographic, reminds me of what I observed back in 2008 when one of my former, recent, student exclaimed that she wanted to have BHO’s babies. Seems like that group haven’t gotten over their psycho/sexual obsession with the president.

    I can’t wait for that post on education. Have I got “war stories” from the inside of academia.

  3. huan Says:

    It doesn’t really matter the hispanic vote did not cost Romney the election. It does matter that moving forward we are able to effectively sell the principles of our ideals to all groups without selling out ourselves in the process.

    That we did not lose because of the hispanic vote means we definitely should not sell out on immigration reform AND still make an effort to win more hispanic votes.

  4. Fausta Says:

    “Hispanic” = Mexican.

  5. expat Says:

    I just don’t see why Hispanics should get more attention than Vietnamese, or Indians, or Romanians. Quite a few of the latter have setted in my hometown, and they seem to be making an effort to learn our customs and traditions. I really think the message to all immigrants should be that they should be concentrating their efforts on making sure their children have the skills necessary to succeed in the US. Don’t tie them to a country that you chose to leave. Do a little reading on previous immigrant waves to the US. Does anyone really care about the ancestors of Guiliani or Pelosi, Ted Kennedy or Andy McCarthy. Your parents don’t condemn you to a single ideology. Americans treasure people who can think for themselves.

  6. neo-neocon Says:

    expat: I’ve long been in agreement with the sentiments you express about what should be happening, and what used to happen in the past. The problem is that for decades the idea of cultural assimilation of immigrant groups, particularly Hispanics, has been dying. Bilingual education was one of the early moves in the campaign to keep such groups separate and unequal, unassimilated and therefore politically useful to the left.

  7. expat Says:

    Neo,
    So how do we get them to see that their lefty friends are responsible for where they are today. I don’t know.

  8. neo-neocon Says:

    expat: I wish I knew.

  9. IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States Says:

    }}} Nor do Hispanic voters adhere to conservative values, fiscal or social.

    well, as long as
    }}} “Hispanic” = Mexican.

    I agree. Cubans (almost entirely in Florida, mind you), on the other hand, tend to be a lot more favoring of the conservative side of things, in my experience and direct observation.

    They see for themselves what socialism does, both directly and, by messages from relatives still in Cuba, indirectly. Not everyone Gets It, but the majority. They’re a lot like Eastern Euros in that sense.

  10. IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States Says:

    }}} Bilingual education was one of the early moves in the campaign to keep such groups separate and unequal, unassimilated and therefore politically useful to the left.

    Indeed. There was a school in Apopka, FL (just outside of Orlando) which had a lot of Haitian immigrants. The school had gotten 3 “F” grades in a row, which meant that, by state law, the parents were allowed to enroll their children in ANY OTHER SCHOOL IN THE COUNTY they wished to (they might have to provide transport, I believe).

    A large percentage — several hundred — had chosen to keep their kids there. Why? Because they were Haitian immigrants andbecause they taught classes in Haitian. WTF? What good is it for your kids to know Haitian any better than you can teach them, you morons? They need to know ENGLISH, stupid!

    It says even more when you become aware that the school actually had teachers wearing t-shirts that said “F for Fantastic!”. Yeah, that’s JUST the message we want teachers teaching to kids…. Every single one of the teachers there, as well as whatever admin allowed or encouraged that t-shirt to be worn, should have been brought into court on a class action suit for dereliction of duty and promoting the delinquency of minors under their direct supervision.

    Another couple hundred future straight-ticket Democrats in the poopline…

    I looked for a reference, couldn’t find it — it was probably in the Orlando Sun about 5-8 years ago.

  11. Oldflyer Says:

    Limbaugh just said it is the fault of white men. Single women go for government because they are insecure. The are insecure because white men will not make a commitment, and marry them. Ipso facto

    So, to save the country, white men need to marry all of those under 30, or otherwise, single women. Once they are secure, they will turn conservative.

    Makes perfect sense.

  12. neo-neocon Says:

    Oldflyer: I have actually heard something similar said about Islamist terrorists (that is, not the masterminds like Bin Laden, but the suicide bombers and the ones who give up their own lives in order to actually commit the acts). The gist of it is they tend to be unmarried young men, so if you could marry them off their ranks would be reduced somewhat.

  13. Paul A'Barge Says:

    Please.

    Please don’t make me do this (cut’n'paste the following). Oh, what the heck. Please look at these numbers:

    https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151099215925946

    –1980 Jimmy Carter, 56% Ronald Reagan, 35% +21

    –1984 Walter Mondale, 61% Ronald Reagan, 37% +24

    –1988 Michael Dukakis, 69% George H.W. Bush, 30% +39

    –1992 Bill Clinton, 61% George H.W. Bush, 25% +36

    –1996 Bill Clinton, 72% Bob Dole, 21% +51

    –2000 Al Gore, 62% George W. Bush, 35% +27

    –2004 John Kerry, 58% George W. Bush, 40% +18

    –2008 Barack Obama, 67% John McCain, 31% +36

    –2012 Barack Obama, 71% Mitt Romney, 27% +44

    Latinos are Democrats in Hispanic clothing. Don’t let anyone tell you
    otherwise.

  14. Occam's Beard Says:

    The problem is that for decades the idea of cultural assimilation of immigrant groups, particularly Hispanics, has been dying. Bilingual education was one of the early moves in the campaign to keep such groups separate and unequal, unassimilated and therefore politically useful to the left.

    The lack of assimilation is not a happenstance that benefits the left – it was a conscious policy adopted by the CPUSA in 1945, on orders from the Comintern.

    Now to go all Artfldgr on you, and I apologize for the length of the quote, but consider the following passage from Bella Dodd’s School of Darkness:

    One day two foreigners appeared in our midst, recently come from Italy. Berti and Donnini were a smooth, attractive pair, who called themselves professors and had become leaders of the Italian Commission. They immediately started a controversy about the work among national minorities.

    Earl Browder at the convention of 1944 had insisted on the elimination of a sense of difference among the foreign-born and had moved to have them treated as part of the American labor movement.

    To this Professors Berti and Donnini offered strenuous objections. They emphasized the importance of separate national organizations, of encouraging the foreign-born to use their languages, and of circulating foreign-language newspapers. They encouraged the organizing of the different national groups almost as if these were foreign colonies. It would strengthen the sense of nationalism among them, they asserted, a necessary thing for the building of world communism.

    These two Party functionaries found themselves on the carpet for their unwelcome views. Plans were on foot to expel them. Then, suddenly, came the amazing news that they were members of the Italian Communist Party! Up to this point, like others, I had regarded them as honest but misguided foreigners with a penchant for disputation.

    Now I realized that nothing they said had been unpremeditated, and that they were not speaking for themselves. They represented the International Communist movement and it was clear that Browder’s approach to the national problem was in disfavor with some sections of world communism.

  15. Oldflyer Says:

    Think I mentioned that I overheard a conversation between several Latinos (their characterization) in the locker room at LA Fitness, here in the “Inland Empire” of California (love that puffery).

    That talkative one said, in effect; “Latinos vote for Obama. I personally agreed with a lot of Romney’s statements about the issues; I voted for Obama.” So, how do you appeal to that logic?

    I grew up on the edge of Ybor City in Tampa, Fl. Ybor was primarily Cuban, even in the 40s; partly because of the cigar industry. There were other Latino nationalities mixed in as well. Some of the older people spoke only Spanish, and most of the kids were more or less fluent in Spanish. But, there was no accommodation in school, so most of them spoke English with no accent at all.

    Their ancestors came here so that they could be Americans, and they were expected to become Americans. Of course they did not forget how to make the wonderful Cuban Mix Sandwiches, the black bean soup, the deviled crabs or their poor man’s Paella (yellow rice and chicken); thank God.

    Since I am reminiscing, there was nothing more exciting than when the Havana Cubans minor league baseball team came to town to play the Tampa Bay Smokers. Passions ran high.

    Another time; a different national attitude.

  16. vanderleun Says:

    Classic Republican values are to contemporary Hispanic culture as natural conception is to a turkey baster.

  17. IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States Says:

    Paul, this is not the case inherently. As noted, Cuban Hispanics are largely Republican. “Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise”.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53227.html

    Most Cubans remember the Bay of Pigs, and remember it well, and who the hell it was behind that. It’s been 50 years, but they haven’t forgotten.

    The mystery is what the appeal is to Puerto Ricans. They already have citizenship, and they don’t come from a corrupt government-oriented background.

  18. JuliB Says:

    physicsguy – would like to see some of those stories on that post…

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