November 27th, 2012

The Democratic Party: Tammany Hall writ large

First read this by the inimitable Mark Steyn.

And then take a look at this. I think you’ll see the similarities.

23 Responses to “The Democratic Party: Tammany Hall writ large”

  1. Paul in Boston Says:

    Actually we’re dealing with the Curley Effect.

    “James Michael Curley, a four-time mayor of Boston, used wasteful redistribution to his poor Irish constituents and incendiary rhetoric to encourage richer citizens to emigrate from Boston, thereby shaping the electorate in his favor. Boston as a consequence stagnated, but Curley kept winning elections. We present a model of the Curley effect, in which inefficient redistributive policies are sought not by interest groups protecting their rents, but by incumbent politicians trying to shape the electorate through emigration of their opponents or reinforcement of class identities. The model sheds light on ethnic politics in the United States and abroad, as well as on class politics in many countries including Britain.”

  2. George Pal Says:

    The Democratic Party has accomplished in the U.S. (with Republican collusion) what Labour did in Britain, import a permanent POC/3W (people of color/3rd World) constituency and turning the native population into a political enemy.

    Here is David Cameron – “conservative” Tory – on the EDL (English Defense League):
    “The EDL are terrible people, we would always keep these groups under review and if we needed to ban them, we would ban them or any groups which incite hatred.”

    This is what constituent Republicans have to look forward to in the near future. Steps have already been taken by the NRSC (National Republican Senate Committee) to nobble the primary process to keep Tea Party members from having a voice. It’s only a matter of time before Republican “conservatives” echo Democrat’s attitudes about the racist and Constitution encumbered Tea Party.

  3. parker Says:

    I agree George Pal, the danger is a party that is 100% RINO and seeks to occasionally gain control of the political apparatus by promising to run the welfare state in a more efficient manner. This is not a new insight on my part, but it is a concept that slouches towards reality.

    “I got a letter this morning with serious news that’s gone and ruined my day. The borough surveyor’s used compulsory purchase to acquire my domaine. They’re gonna pull up the floors, they’re gonna knock down the walls, they’re gonna dig up the drains. Here come the people in grey they’re gonna take me away to lord knows where. But I’m so unprepared I got no time to pack and I got nothing to wear. Here come the people in grey to take me away. Me and my baby’s gonna get on a train that’s gonna take us away. I’m gonna live in a tent, we’re gonna pay no more rent we’re gonna pay no more rates. We’re gonna live in a field, we’re gonna buy me gun, to keep the policemen away. I’m gonna pass me a brand new resolution, I’m gonna fight me a one man revolution, someway. Gonna beat those people in grey. Here come the people in grey to take me away. The people in grey have gone and taken away my right to voice my complaint. Her majesty’s government have sent me a form I must complete it today. But it’s making me blue, don’t wanna tell all my secrets to the people in grey. I’m gonna pass me a brand new resolution, I’m gonna fight me a one man revolution, someway. Gonna start my rebellion today. But here come the people in grey to take me away. Oh, lord, those people in grey, I gotta get back at those people in grey. Here come the people in grey to take me away.” — Ray Davies

  4. reliapundit Says:


  5. Steve D Says:

    Simply make any sort of welfare for immigrants illegal for…say ten years. Better still make any sort of government support for anyone illegal. Problem solved.

  6. Artfldgr Says:

    May 11, 1935
    Williamsport Gazette Bulletin,5828344

    if i put the headline up, you wouldn’t believe it…

  7. parker Says:

    I believe it… Hitler did not magically appear out of the fog of the disaster of Versailles. The Nazi movement piggy backed on the ‘progressive’ movement started by Teddy, Woodrow, Maggie Sanger, Karl, Vladimir, and the Fabians. (If there is a hell, long may they burn.)

  8. rickl Says:


    The war is already begun.

    Institutions like this need to be driven into bankruptcy. No self-respecting White parent should allow their child to enroll there.

    And speaking of self-respect, Whites need to re-learn it. Fast. It’s been beaten out of us over the last few decades.

  9. JH Says:

    looks first link not working, unless there is problem with my browser.

  10. Artfldgr Says:

    interesting the article neo points to is pointing out the demographic end and the rush to the other side before that happens…. however the laws made to help will insure the demographic losers end up gone. the ladies win! sorry its not the prize they promised you…

    oh… and in labeling the author was convenient to not point out that more than half that white vote was not part of that vote but were voting dem for womens rights and so on…

    quoting the article
    Everyone talks about this demographic transformation as if it’s a natural phenomenon, like Hurricane Sandy. Indeed, I notice that many of those exulting in the inevitable eclipse of “white America” are the same people who assure me that demographic arguments about the Islamization of Europe are completely preposterous. But in neither the United States nor Europe is it a natural phenomenon. Rather, it’s the fruit of conscious government policy.

    yup… he is pointing out the genocide and eugenics games.

    wealth redistribution away from a family lowers births. wealth redistribution towards another group raises births. abortion allows this process to lower one, and insure the side being raised doesn’t actually grow.

    Mark steyn gets it… its obvious. why do you think they fought so hard to have it and to protect it even when not under threat? demographics would deliver a one party state once some group tells the women what to do so they achieve that by the outcome of the advice growing favorable demographics, like single mothers without mates.

    and as i said… the feminists lied when they said women were the future. people that don’t exist aren’t the future of anything. are they? and their rates thanks to feminism is way below replacement for decades that the state hid the demographic collapse by having open borders… they could not let people in fast enough to make up for what was not being born.

    what will be most interesting is what will those same people will be saying in about 15 years. The event horizon is passed. given trends and the impossibility of a turnaround, since its intensifying, the result could not even be slowed down.

    its like watching a train wreck photographed at super high speeds so that the whole thing plays out over 50 years or so…

  11. parker Says:

    “The war is already begun.”

    It began 1964, Reagan who they despised, was the temporary truce. Personally, I hold no prejudice against anyone with regard to their melatonin levels, nor their religion or lack there of, or their sexual identity. I care not for it is not my business.

    But when the left seeks to use the gun of government to control me, I have a problem. The wind will blow where it will. They know not what they will unleash if push comes to shove. Be of good cheer. I fear not the future. Me and mine will hide under the ashes and wait. I have taught my children well.

  12. neo-neocon Says:

    JH: I think there must be a problem with your browser, because the link works for me.

  13. blert Says:

    Ethnic bloc voting is entirely where we’re heading.

    The ONLY ethnic bloc that doesn’t see itself as such is European Americans.

    WRT your Asian Americans post: they vote en bloc….

    Everything else is rationalization.

    In the 19th Century, Jews and Roman Catholics ( Irish and Italians — and Bavarians ) voted Democrat because they lived in a virtually one-party environment.

    This political affiliation has stayed with those ethnic blocs for generations. It’s only now breaking down.

    My Grandparents were solid FDR Democrats. So much so that my Grandmother was sent to the State Convention. (The booze flow in a dry state shocked her.) My Grandfather voted Democrat for every election of his life — except McGovern. He merely abstained. It was impossible for him to vote for Nixon. (Me, too.)

    Now my Parents have flipped, like Reagan, from D to R.

    The Party simply left them standing where they stood: outside.

    This progression took more than a century. It was sped up when the generations shifted off the farm to white collar work.

    My extended family still votes Democrat, mostly. Many are classic low information voters.

    I expect the Asian vote to be segmented as their numbers increase.

    For now, like Jews, their voting impact is restricted to California and New York, mostly. If there is any ethnic group that thinks and acts like the typical Korean, Chinese or Japanese voters it’s the Ashkenazi Jews.

    I know something about that because I grew of age in a San Fernando Valley ‘ghetto’ — and my business experiences in the Islands, twenty-three years gave me plenty of elbows to rub.

    As for clan thinking — the parochial Japanese Americans in the Islands are a class apart. They form a ‘Democrat Party’ that really means just them. All other local Democrats are stiffed — as outsiders, no state employment for them, if possible. This specifically includes Japanese Americans born and raised on the Mainland. They are treated like ethnic traitors — to a shocking degree.

    None of the Federal laws WRT diversity are allowed to operate against the clan interest of the Japanese Americans in the Islands. They simply ignore them.

    Likewise, the local unions stiff the AFL-CIO.

    Even the Federal Bench in the Islands does not follow Mainland procedures. (!) This last point astonishes California attorneys.

    Government run as a one-party state rapidly gets entirely out of hand with simply stunning levels of corruption.

    I give you the Wall Street – K Street Axis. That’s a money machine that owns Congress, the best that money can buy.

  14. texexec Says:

    I liked Steyn’s comparison of what has been the success of Anglo-Celt traditions in North America and the almost total failure of the Hispanic traditions in Latin America. I’ve said the same thing here on this blog several times.

    Frankly, since secession of Texas (and other states) ain’t gonna happen, if I was in my early 20’s, I’d be searching the world for the most conservative country with legal and cultural traditions most like the Anglo-Celtic ones that built the USA, and I’d move there if they’d let me in.

    This country is going to Hell in a hand basket.

  15. davisbr Says:

    Tribalism. It’s not just a river in Egypt?

    …or something.

    Pretty easy to look around and see the direction tribalism inevitably ends up at**. And civilization ain’t it.

    At least, not a civilization that we’d recognize. Or want.

    The Democrats …the rich and powerful of both parties, really …have a problem. Of their own making. Not that that is gonna make a snowflake-in-hell’s difference to the rest of us.

    Once you’ve fed all the sheep to the wolf, what you gonna do when he gets hungry again?

    Just sayin’.

    I have a prediction.

    Democrats of a certain “genetic ethnicity” will – at the last, when it’s too late – finally join the Republican party (you know, the party of Old White Guys). Almost all of the remaining free ones, at least. Their remnants left in the Urban Enclaves will be …hmm, how can I put this? – Do you think it’s okay to say “house slaves” without being racist, if you’re referring to Persons of Pallor of Northern European ancestry? Or would that be impolitic?

    Am I just being a dystopian idealist today or what!


    I have another prediction.

    Nope. Not gonna verbalize that one. Nosiree bob. Out loud, at least. That surely would be impolitic

    On a different subject. Maybe.


    Time to ammo up. Before “they” tax rounds. (Which will be …oh, let’s call it two days …after the next Supreme Court justice is appointed.)

    **See Rwanda, 1994. Hmm. Am I being too alarmist? – HAHAHA. I jest. Of course I’m not being too alarmist.

  16. Occam's Beard Says:

    The part that annoys me is the demonization of white males, who, let’s face it, (along with Asian males, to a smaller degree) are responsible for everything worth a damn on this planet, from flush toilets to calculus. But for them, we’d be living in caves and hitting each other over the head with femurs.

    So showing white males the respect shown to groups whose intellectual achievements are, to be polite, all ahead of them, would not seem inappropriate.

  17. GoneWithTheWind Says:

    As a conservative it has become obvious to me that the Republicans take us all for granted. It is equally obvious that the way to the heart of Republican politicians is to not vote for them as in the hispanics voted for Obama so the Republicans are rushing to give the hispanics what they want. From now on and in the future I will not vote for any Republican who advocates amnesty or whatever weasel word they use to describe what is effectively amnesty. More importantly I will vote for his/her opponent. The Republicans ignore the 60,221,746 people who voted for them at their peril. I encourage others to do the same but remember a vote for a third party candidate denys the offending Rino one vote but a vote for their opponent effectively equals two votes against the Rino.

  18. neo-neocon Says:

    GoneWithTheWind: Perhaps you’re being humorous. I agree that it does seem that the quickest way to get something from the Republicans is to, as a bloc, fail to vote for them so they will woo you next time.

    But not voting, or voting for the opponent, is nothing less than conservative suicide. I am sick and tired of arguing about this, and won’t do so here, because I’ve done it so many times before. I’ll let the dissident frogman do it for me (I have substituted a few political terms in the following, and you should substitute the word “conservative” for “libertarian”):

    So hear this, Friends of Gary the Third Party and other Principled Abstentionists: by choosing ideological purity over strategic thinking, you’ve effectively hedged your own political future in the one competing force that is most capable of propelling you into irrelevance and oblivion—as we say in France: Bravo!

    Just as in France, once a majority of the US population—no matter how slim—has tasted the poisonous fruits of the State, they will demand the keys to the cornucopia and regard with disdain, scorn or hostility any soul brave or foolish enough to call it unsustainable and propose to lock the larder. The fact that you are right will not matter at all. Just as they do in France, the people will ask for more and tout de suite, never realizing or willing to acknowledge that they are effectively cannibalizing themselves and their offspring—as we’ve been saying in France for quite a while: Après moi le Déluge!

    Thank in no small part to you, Obama now has more time to multiply the locusts, thus depleting your future ranks. You shall keep fancying yourselves as The Smart Ones, when compared to those Neanderthaloid [RINOs] and Liberal Zombies, until one of you wonders aloud why the lights went off in the Libertarian cave, and hears only the echo in answer.

  19. davisbr Says:

    Will we be able to recognize that it’s “too late”?

    Because the more interesting question is: What is our course of action, when it really IS “too late”?

    You see, that’s the rather obvious (I should think) weak point of the argument that froggie is making:

    …once a majority of the US population—no matter how slim—has tasted the poisonous fruits of the State, they will demand the keys to the cornucopia and regard with disdain, scorn or hostility any soul brave or foolish enough to call it unsustainable and propose to lock the larder. The fact that you are right will not matter at all


    Some of us absolutely accept froggie’s reasoning.

    We accepted it when Alexis de Tocqueville originally made it, actually. And some of us prefer it in all its myriad originals. We do know our history after all, after all.

    We just didn’t think we’d see it.

    But …some of us …are beginning to think that attempting to lock the paddock when the horse’s have all fled is a wee bit “too little, too late”.

    At the least, it’s rather disingenuous as argument.

    Granted, you might disagree that the point has been reached. But it seems counter-intuitive given the recent election results and Obamacare that at least those of us staring at an empty corral filled with nothing but horse poo might be “post-” froggie’s position.

    And wondering what the hell comes next.

    Surely I’m still open to persuasion that the bloody damn horses haven’t fled …but not one based upon froggie’s argument.

    It’s not “defeatism” to recognize the battlespace has shifted.

    Inferior forces can only win wars by shifting to a guerrilla warfare strategy.

    The best damn tacticians in warfare history still all needed to recognize the facts on the ground.

    Argue me that as raison d’être, and not some platitude about supposed defeatism.

    You see, I accept we’ve …well, lost actually, if you will.

    What I’m hearing from the GOP strategists and the party is not encouraging me to believe that they have the best interests of the middle class in mind, let alone Persons of Pallor.

    So I’m not persuaded by any arguments whatsoever about holding course with the GOP. You can try and make ’em. Maybe you can get me to change my mind.

    But it won’t be based upon an argument of “staying the course” that is proving absolutely baseless as being an effective predictor of political outcome in the near term OR the long term.

    Frankly, I think the GOP is done. They no longer represent my cultural, economic, or social interests. Even when they win.

    Just so. I think I’m rather done, too.

    O’ Captain, my Captain, wherefore art thou O’ Captain …

  20. NeoConScum Says:

    Madison in Federalist 55 re-the “safeguards” against executive usurpation:”As there is a degree of depravity in mankind which requires a certain degree of circumspection and distrust, so there are other qualities in human nature that justify a certain portion of esteem and confidence. Republican government presupposes the existence of these qualities in a higher degree than any other form. Were the pictures that have been drawn by the political jealousy of some among us faithful
    likenesses of the human character, the inference would be, that there is not sufficient virtue among men for self-government; and that nothing less than the chains of despotism can restrain them from destroying and devouring one another.”

    …with Thanks to Steven F. Hayward in the Dec.3rd National Review,”O Fortuna: Victory and defeat are likewise impermanent”.

  21. rickl Says:

    davisbr Says:
    November 28th, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    So I’m not persuaded by any arguments whatsoever about holding course with the GOP. You can try and make ‘em. Maybe you can get me to change my mind.

    It’s too late for that last part.

    Frankly, I think the GOP is done. They no longer represent my cultural, economic, or social interests. Even when they win.

    Agreed. 2012 was their last chance, and they failed. The Republican leadership makes no secret of their hostility towards social conservatives, libertarians, the Tea Party, or any other kind of genuine grassroots movement. They have no guiding principles whatsoever. All they want is a seat at the table of power, the same as the European “conservative” parties.

    The Republican Party is hemorrhaging voters, and that process will accelerate. I predict that they will lose the House in 2014.

    On top of that, our electoral system is thoroughly corrupt, from open primaries to lack of voter ID to unchallenged vote fraud. Even the UN observers thought it was a joke. Roll that around in your mind for a while.

    What remains of the American middle class has no more chance of voting the Left out of power than the remnants of the Venezuelan middle class do.

  22. IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States Says:




  23. davisbr Says:

    Thanks Bupkis.

    Tribes. Whittle at his best.

    …isn’t it kind of surprising how often Whittle “at his best” …is?

    It kind of makes me think that either a) I’ve been reading Whittle “at his normal” (leaving me wondering what his best would even be like), or b) my understanding of what “best” is kind of needs a make-over.

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