December 13th, 2012

Racism is only racism…

…when it’s perpetrated by Republicans (or pretend Republicans). Or when it consists solely of (quelle horreur!) criticism of Obama or Susan Rice.

When it’s at the hands of union thugs—well then, it’s crickets chirping.

37 Responses to “Racism is only racism…”

  1. ziontruth Says:

    Once the people on the side of good have realized that the power of the MSM is critical—no better proof to be had than the re-election of the least fit for the office he occupies—there are questions to be asked in lieu of whining about that unrestricted power.

    The following two questions are the only ones that matter:

    1. Is there a legal way to dislodge the Marxists off their mainstream media dominance and set a sizable conservative contingent in their place?
    2. If not, is there a way it could be done with the fewest retributive consequences to the side of good?

    You can be squeamish and gentlemanly (“Mustn’t stoop to their…”), you can moralize, you can keep telling yourselves (note: I’m including myself here, on all these points) that the public will be weaned of the MSM’s spoon-feeding. You will then find yourselves whining about the bias of the MSM from one lost election to another until even whining is no longer a right.

    Or you can face those two questions with grim determination, just as anyone facing the hard choices of trying times must do.

    The power of the MSM leftist chatterati has gotten a Marxist re-elected in America, stalled any attempt at even suggesting the reversal of multiculturalism in Europe, and nipped in the bud any chance that the option of mass expulsion of Muslims from both India and Israel would reach the political decision-makers despite the favor it finds among the populace. Those are just a few examples of the national-grade abuses resulting from the wrong people holding the taps of information, just enough to showcase the need for confronting the above two tough questions.

  2. Conrad Says:

    I’ve come to the cynical realization that for most liberals these days, there’s no good faith willingness to engage in an honest debate with conservatives over the pressing issues of the day. Instead, what they have done, and are continuing to do, is simply construct narratives about us that are designed to marginalize conservatives in general as a political force so there IS no debate.

    As you and others have pointed out, one narrative says Republicans and Tea Partiers are racists. Therefore, liberals are constantly finding (specious) examples of conservative racism while ignoring much clearer instances amongst their own ranks.

    When Republicans fight for their policy preferences, the narrative says they’re being obstructionist. Dems can fight for their own policy preferences all day and never get criticized for refusing to compromise.

    The liberal narrative says it was the GOP that caused the economic collapse and therefore conservatives have no credibility on economic policy. But which side was really behind the policies that led to collapse in the housing sector? I mean, I would agree Bush deserves a lot of criticism for some of his fiscal and economic policies, but that’s only because he wasn’t conservative ENOUGH on these issues.

    I could go on with these examples, but you get the idea. We can point out all the double-standards, the twisted logic, and the outright lies coming from the other side but we need to understand what’s behind all this BS. They’re trying to make a case for de facto one-party rule based on the idea that the GOP/Tea Party side of the political spectrum is a sort of fringe element that should not be taken seriously in the so-called marketplace of ideas. They want the media, academics, and ordinary, non-political types who don’t follow current events that closely to automatically disregard what conservatives have to say or what they are trying to sell.

  3. RobP Says:

    I think that the 1970s are good example that eventually people will realize that the current economic policies are making things worse. Bill Clinton helped the president get elected, since the crash happened under Bush, but that will wear off if the economy goes into a double dip.

    There is a messaging problem on the right, which is very frustrating. We liked Condi Rice, but not Rice. The GOP must respond to these charges, but do not take them serious. For example, provide a list of people that critisized Condi Rice and say their were racist.

    The GOP has to do messaging judo.
    1) Bill Clinton has made more money than the Wall Street CEOs, and he deregulated.
    2) The super-weathly are democrats that they would rather have the tax rates go up then have their deductions changed. Warren Buffet is a perfect example.
    3) They need to focus on the fact that they want a fair deal for all Americans instead of the special interests.
    4) Talk about corruption and that centralization will lead to more corruption. Provide accurate examples.
    5) The GOP needs more pit bulls. Where did they go? Newt was one.
    6) Talk about real reform, and use the language of the liberal left, i.e. integration, economic mobility, reducing the economic lower classes, providing health benefits to whole population.
    7) Make fun of the Democrats economic assumption, ie. paying people not to work will improve the economy, etc.

    Under Bill Clinton, campaign finance reform was a way to improve the democrats chances of winning elections. Do not get suckered into win-win when the other side is thinking win-lose.

    All is not lost, conservatives just do not like voting for New England liberals. There was no Dick Chaney on the ticket. The pit bull is an important role because it cuts through.

  4. Sam Random Says:

    I’ll grant you that the pose of moral superiority adopted by most liberals is basically insufferable, but on the other hand, the conservative anti-MSM media doesn’t even let people speak for themselves. Obama (like me) is not a marxist, and he never has been, although just typing that out is making me wince thinking about how much crap I’m going to get for even suggesting that on this blog. Ho hum.

    Seriously, the GOP gets called out for racism all the time because racists are a core part of the broad Republican constituency. It’s not to say there are not liberals who are (or should be) guilty of racism, but that’s what makes racism so awful: you can’t just get rid of it, it’s built into people’s conception of the world. And in the meantime, liberals will keep using that moral superiority thing as political leverage because it works. I would much rather a reasoned, nuanced, detailed political discussion, but expecting that to happen on a national scale is just silly.

  5. Michael Says:

    “racists are a core part of the broad Republican constituency.”

    Yep, sounds pretty reasoned, nuanced, and detailed to me.

    Neo, is all right if I suggest that this guy is an idiot on your blag or would you rather I not?

  6. beverly Says:

    Been thinking about this samokritika business lately. Rush was pointing out today that Hussein, not content to triumph over Boehner and force him to the mat, wants him to engage in self-denunciation as well.

    Does this sound familiar? Anyone still wondering if BO is actuated by Marxist malice, wonder no more.

    “Under communism, important Party members who had fallen out of favour with the political elite were sometimes forced to undergo “self-criticism” sessions, producing either written or verbal statements detailing how they had been ideologically mistaken, and affirming their new belief in the Party line.

    “Self-criticism, however, did not guarantee political rehabilitation, and often offenders were still expelled from the Party, or in some cases even executed.

    “In the Soviet Union, self-criticism was known as samokritika.

    “In the People’s [sic] Republic [sic] of China, self-criticism, called jiǎntǎo (检讨) in Chinese, is an important part of Maoist practice.”

    I pulled that definition from Wickedpedia, which has an overall approving take on “self-criticism” — THIS is the first line and overall definition their Hive Mind writers offer:

    “Self-criticism (or auto-critique) refers to the pointing out of things critical/important to one’s own beliefs, thoughts, actions, behaviour or results; it can form part of private, personal reflection or a group discussion.”

    Sounds nice and New Agey, doesn’t it? not at all like the Stalinist & Maoist show trials, torture, and wholesale murder that are the reality of this evil practice. They’re such bastards. And they included the part I quoted first, farther down the page, almost as if it were a sidebar. (They said “under some forms of communism,” a lie; I took out “some.”)

  7. Sam L. Says:

    And if you don’t like Michael, I will step up. KKK–racist? Yes. Democrats. Jim Crow laws? Democrats. Bull Connor, Orval Faubus, George Wallace? Democrats.

  8. beverly Says:

    A black woman named Angela called in to the Limbaugh show today. She is another sleeper awakened, and she says that her fellow African-Americans are grossly deceived about the true nature of the Dems/Leftists.

    For example: she said she woke up to the truth about the left when she was watching CSPAN about 12 years ago, and saw Sheila Jackson Lee (up till then, one of her heroines) saying something outrageous on the Congressional floor. Then Angela started investigating the Dems’ true positions on other issues, and was appalled.

    She told Rush that the blacks she knows actually think it’s the REPUBLICANS who push abortion of black babies, that the Republicans want them all back “in chains” and to turn the clock back to the “bad old days”; that the Republicans are the ones who are responsible for the financial mess, etc.

    This all chimes with what I’ve been thinking since the election — the Left have built an Empire of Lies. Most Americans really don’t want a Marxist regime; yeah, the moochers do, but I do believe that the more normal people really don’t want to sell their souls for “three hots and a cot,” as the boys in Sing Sing put it.

    My 2 cents.

  9. physicsguy Says:

    Ok my turn to pick apart Sam R’s post.

    “Obama (like me) is not a marxist, and he never has been, ”

    Take a look at this, from a Marxist who knew BHO at Occidental.

    Add to that, Obama’s association with Ayers, and his endorsement for election by the CPUSA, then one cannot help but begin to think that at least he has definite Marxist tendencies, if not being an outright communist.

    “Seriously, the GOP gets called out for racism all the time because racists are a core part of the broad Republican constituency. ”

    Did you read Sam L’s short list of Democratic racism? Did you see what happened in Michigan to the poor hot dog guy by those Democratic union thugs? Please present similar evidence of past and very recent Republican acts of racism to match the above examples. If you can, then I, and I would guess others here will rethink our positions. And no, we won’t accept just saying the Tea party is racist, as that has been shown to be a figment of the MSM imagination.

  10. M J R Says:

    Sam Random, 4:10 pm —

    I for one, and many here, are very happy to engage with a left-oriented commenter who is ^not^ already insulting our integrity. I mean that seriously.

    I will contend that the incumbent [I prefer to not type or speak His name] is enamored of certain marxist ideas/ideals.

    I will contend that He is in fact a socialist of sorts: there are many flavors of socialism, and He appears to be of the eurosocialist variety, I suppose with a pinch of fabian socialism sprinkled in. Open for discussion.

    I note and ^resent^ your characterization of racists being as “a core part” of the Republican constituency. You have now insulted my (our) integrity, but I’m going to go on:

    (I know you did not intend any insult, which is why I’m going to go on, but a jocular word of warning — fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on ^me^.)

    In my experience, far too many lefties are very prone to be racist, both in their patronizing posture towards members of accredited victim groups, and in their actual speech. What I mean by this latter is the following:

    I have the good (?) fortune to look and sound “liberal”, until in some contexts I open my big fat mouth. My point is, I know from first-hand experience how some liberals talk when they figure they’re safely among themselves. Not always pretty.

    Yeah, sure there are Republican/conservative racists. Bla bla bla. But your “core part” business is a mean, ignorant, disgusting slander. Based on your intelligent posts here, you should know better. I trust that you do/will know better.

    Anyway, I do genuinely welcome your contribution to these discussions. Carry on, all . . .

  11. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    “Racism is only racism…when it’s perpetrated by Republicans. When it’s at the hands of union thugs—well then, it’s crickets chirping.”

    But of course and, only whites can be guilty of racism.

    It matters not whether it is a sincere belief or not.

    Underneath all the rationalization and justification, it’s a political tactic. Intellectual consistency, integrity, civility, etc. are all in service of the ends sought. Anything is permitted if it will advance the agenda. It’s part of the catechism of the left.

    “When I am the weaker, I ask you for (mercy and forgiveness) because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I show no mercy, because that is my principle.” (The dialectic of the left)

    A perfect example is, Belafonte’s Advice to Obama: Imprison Opposition “Like a Third World Dictator”

    “1. Is there a legal way to dislodge the Marxists off their mainstream media dominance and set a sizable conservative contingent in their place?”

    Yes, although it will take time. All the major media outlet companies are owned by publicly held, parent companies. Were a covert campaign to be implemented by wealthy conservatives and conservative foundations to purchase a controlling interest in stock, the parent company’s board’s could be changed, then top management, then middle management, editors, etc.

    Sam Random,

    “Obama (like me) is not a marxist, and he never has been…

    Seriously, the GOP gets called out for racism all the time because racists are a core part of the broad Republican constituency.”

    Obama is a narcissistic, sociopathic combination of; a Marxist and a Transnationalist, and a closet Muslim and an anti-Colonialist. Those are the factors that have shaped him and his beliefs. He won’t admit it but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Only the ignorant and willfully obtuse are unaware of it.

    I’ll be happy to back up those charges if needed. Will you do the same with your charge that, “racists are a core part of the broad Republican constituency”?


    Yes, the left has built an ‘Empire of Lies’ (good phrase) and it is, as all lies must be, a ‘house of cards’. We know it and someday the left’s ‘useful idiots’ (still giving him the benefit of the doubt) like Sam Random will know it. The question of course is will it be too late, when America awakens to what they’ve voted for…

  12. parker Says:

    There are racists of all colors and persuasions. Yet, for the last few decades it is the left that consistently embodies racism. Conservatives are not the ones who believe blacks are incapable of living responsible, productive lives without cradle to grave government assistance. It is the left that wants the Obamaphone woman to stay on the welfare plantation forever.

    Seriously, Sam Random you must be either willfully blind or totally insincere in your comments. In order to believe you are sincere you need to admit to this audience that you know nothing about Obama beyond the MSM narrative. If this is the case, stick around and get an education.

  13. ziontruth Says:

    Geoffrey Britain,

    Thanks for the info. The question now becomes whether such a process can be completed 1) in the face of government bailouts of the media (IOW, outbidding the conservative buyers), 2) before an inviolate status for the MSM turns into law.

    Having been instrumental in averting a 1980-style defeat for them, it is reasonable to be wary of the ruling party taking measures to protect its MSM monopoly.

  14. Geoffrey Britain Says:


    That is why I suggested it would have to be done covertly, perhaps through ‘cutouts’, so that the left didn’t get even a whiff of what was happening. Once we had achieved a controlling interest in say 60% of the major media’s parent corporations, then we could start to excert control. And, by ‘control’ I mean simply eliminating the bias, presenting both sides with all the facts and arguments and then let the people decide.

  15. rickl Says:

    M J R Says:
    December 13th, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    I will contend that the incumbent [I prefer to not type or speak His name] is enamored of certain marxist ideas/ideals.

    Just call him TFG. That’s what some commenters at Ace’s do.

  16. Artfldgr Says:

    as important as a reahash of oppressor (white male scapegoats) and oppressed ( women, minorities and gay volk) rules, to work to figure out what you can read if you read their writings where they get the idea and then act so that then you see, wonder, and try to figure it out – to which they do something from their writings, it baffles the masses, they sit around and try to figure it out… its quite circular.

    While you all are suckered into watching the asinine dog and pony show. i said ignore that, and look at things like the NDAA changes and made official (which compared to the past few threads is much much much more important), and i said to look at the china sea as the stage is set for the action.

    [deleted comment on the selection of whats important vs what the ‘important’ distracts from…]

    China just went into the air space of the Senkaku islands, japan launched F-15s and so on.

    and Victor David Hanson has caught up!!!

    Ripe for Rivalry
    Has Asia’s moment of reckoning finally arrived?

    In fact, since China and Vietnam’s brief scuffle in 1979, there has not been war between states in Asia. None of the scholars predicted the relative stability that prevailed for the last two decades. Instead, they made a bet based on their reading of history: Japan would soon flex military muscle commensurate with its growing economic strength; China, though still poor, was about to enter a growth phase that would make it muscular rather than fat and happy; and the United States’ uncertainty about its post-Cold War commitments to Asia would lead to a mad power scramble.

    its worse than that, as Hanson wants to be published and so kind of pulls punches on things. he tells you, but tells you lightly.

    china is claiming its waters, and it wants other things too, which it can only grab in a conflict. ie, you fight her in the sea, she grabs Taiwan.

    There is no way our aircraft carriers can get near there. the chinese have a new missile, remember?

    But now, Asia may finally be “ripe for rivalry,” as those scholars predicted. Tensions between Japan and China over the last decade, inflamed by historical and territorial disputes, are the highest they’ve been since World War II. Both sides are taking unprecedented steps in moving vessels around the Senkakus, and an altercation spinning out of control is certainly possible.

    President Obama Signed the National Defense Authorization Act – Now What?

    indefinite detention is now law in the US

    middle east, georgia, asia…
    and domestic turmoil amplified a whole lot by those three.
    oh what would our leader do?
    could china get back taiwan?

  17. Oldflyer Says:

    I suspect that Random is pulling our collective legs. No one could be that obtuse and serious.

    Obama is what he is. He has made no effort to conceal his intent to redistribute wealth through governmental coercion. If that is not a tenant of Marxist dogma, then I am very confused.

    As a Southerner who grew up in the age of segregation, and for many years thought it the natural order of things, I would be careful about tying the Democrats to the KKK and so forth. It does not take much historical knowledge, or research, to know that the Southern Democrat Party of yesteryear, is now the Southern Republican Party. What I am saying that demonstrably spurious statements weaken our argument.

    There is ample evidence that the modern Democrat Party practices racism in many ways. It is sometimes subtle, and it often is in a form that is labeled reverse racism. On the racial front, I expect that we will seem more of what is already evident; i.e, racial conflict between Hispanics and Blacks. Assuming that, unlike the economic pie, the governmental power pie is finite, there will be escalating conflict for a larger piece of the pie. Black leaders can see Hispanics overwhelming them with demographics.

  18. Paul in Boston Says:

    Sam Random, “Obama (like me) is not a marxist, and he never has been, although just typing that out is making me wince thinking about how much crap I’m going to get for even suggesting that on this blog. Ho hum.”

    You’re going to get an education not crap. Let’s review the record.

    From age about 10 to 18 his black mentor, chosen for him by his white grandfather Dunham, was one Frank Marshall Davis, an official member of the Communist Party USA. He’s refered to as plain Frank in “Dreams From My Father”.

    At Occidental College he joined the Revolutionary Marxist Society as we learned from his aquaintences there.

    He was closely associated with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohren in Chicago. They were at one time on the FBI’s ten most wanted list for murders committed by members of the Weather Underground, the organization that they headed. Ayers to this day is a revolutionary Communist. See the article about him in the New York Times Magazine that came out on 9/11/2001. They were Obama’s neighbors and hosted his very first political campaign in Chicago. Obama was also chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a $150 million “educational foundation”, set up and run by Bill Ayers.

    Eleven am, every Sunday, for twenty years saw Obama in the Chicago church run by the Reverend Jeremiah Wright, the racist, anti-semitic, anti-American pastor of the Trinity United Church. He was a promoter of Black Liberation Theology, or as Pope John Paul II called it, Marxism.

    At the White House he had as advisors: Anita Dunne whose favorite philosphers were Mother Teresa and Mao Tse Tung; and Van Jones a 9/11 Truther and straight up Communist.

    Your turn Sam.

  19. Lizzy Says:

    If Sam Random is not pulling our legs, and he returns to thread, I’d like to ask him this: does he believe that non-whites can be racists? (I think the answer to this may help explain how he would come to believe that Republicans are so racist.)

    For example, is it racism when someone like Jamie Foxx jokes about loving to kill a lot of whites in his new film (clearly just a joke, but not one a white could get away with). Is it racist for an African-American ESPN journalist to question a football player’s authenticity as a black man (and to cite the race of the player’s fiancee and political affiliation as “issues”).

  20. RandomThoughts Says:

    If Sam Random is not pulling our legs and returns to this thread, I’ll happily take the latter part of his name and whap him over the head with it.

    Seriously, Geoffrey Britain was far more courteous than I was prepared to be; my reaction was more along the lines of “WTF?!” American Democrats practically elevated racism to an art form.

    Sam Random would do well to consider Geoffrey’s words, as well as those of Beverly, Oldflyer, pysicsguy, Paul in Boston, M J L, and heck, everyone else here as well, if he truly is open minded enough and not just a troll.

  21. parker Says:

    “No one could be that obtuse and serious.”

    There are many millions of obtuse and serious confused puppies out there. Witness the level of support BHO received from the under 30 crowd. They are the ones who will spend their entire adult life as slaves to the tax masters.

  22. M J R Says:

    (Just returned from major multiple errand.)

    M J R, 5:18 pm — “I will contend that the incumbent [I prefer to not type or speak His name] is enamored of certain marxist ideas/ideals.”

    rickl, 7:11 pm — “Just call him TFG. That’s what some commenters at Ace’s do.”

    rickl, [before I use them] what do the initials “TFG” stand for?

  23. neo-neocon Says:

    M J R: I’m doing this from memory, but I believe it stands for “that f-ing guy.”

  24. M J R Says:


    Gonna stick with “the incumbent” for now.

  25. Gary Rosen Says:

    “racists are a core part of the broad Republican constituency”

    If this is true, then explain why

    Democrats are the anti-semitic party

  26. M J R Says:

    I just dropped in on Michelle Malkin. She recently had the temerity to offer some criticism of some rapper. Some of the loving tweets directed her way appear on the web page:

    **WARNING**: concentrated foul, obscene language.

    QUESTION FOR SAM RANDOM: You think these “fans” of Ms. Malkin were Romney voters, possibly “hard core” Republicans??

    I noted that one correspondent called her a “slanted-eyed [c-word]”, and lovingly invited her to engage in a heterosexual act consummating the male-female sexual union [check it out] — such RACISM, yeah, that one ^MUST^ be a Republican. “Hard core”. /sarc off

    QUESTION FOR SAM RANDOM: Check it out. It’s not an isolated case. You think these “fans” of Ms. Malkin were Romney voters, possibly “hard core” Republicans?? Or maybe “hard core” sympathizers for some other major national political organization??

  27. artfldgr Says:

    Gary Rosen: If this is true, then explain why
    Democrats are the anti-semitic party

    because democrats are the communists.. as the communists said they were, as the members of LIP (Fabians) youth group SDS said… and so on..

    and like the fight between russia and german ideologies, the soviet (international) communism always made the Germans out to be RACISTS.

    in fact they made you one too without realizing it.

    for the premise to be correct, one has to ignore the color of the skin of half the people murdered, and consider them a religious race…

    but the other coin is that the national socialists, didnt like jews for the reason of capitalism and christianity, not because they were a race.

    one only has to look at the corps of black waffen SS and the arab states that teamed with hitler. why didnt he load those dark skinned races into ovens?

    so… the republicans are nationalists to them. who do not want to meddle and take over the world. while the democrats are internationalists… ie. international communism, which is the idea of a new world order administrated by various councils.

    so under this dialectical reasoning, the dems are not racists, as they are communists. and communists have fought for blacks to be free from white oppression. (not exactly true but i don’t have the space to elucidate), and against white imperialism (ie. forcing blacks to be like whites – rather than letting them wallow without education, etc… )

    this world view runs through the whole thing IF YOU READ THEIR WORKS. what they say in their works is whats truth, what you hear out of their mouths is for you. so unless you read them and know the history and all that, you will never figure them out.

    which is why everyone here is so far behind the curve compared to many many others who have been knowing such things since the 70s and before.

    so, you had the communists using rosa parks here in the US through the highlander school. AND martin luthor king. but when they could not get king to move for violent race war stuff (like whats happening now slowly due ot holding down whites, and fomenting black on race crime without punishment. hegelian methods), he was removed. note that even crazy nutters like charles manson knew about that as his whole helter skelter was to help such a war happen.

    and before you say thats nuts. what did Ayers friends in the weather underground do in nyack ny with machine guns a brinks truck, and gun fights up and down the palisades with their friends the black national socialists (black Nazis)? they were ripping off a brinks truck to fund a race war – to put the dominant white culture against the races. to prove to the other races that they were oppressors. however in all the years of games, they had not actually been able to get them to act upon these agressions and put their foot down.

    like feminism, you act to stop this game, you prove their point and so lose the game.

    oh. and dont think it stops there, as they love to use tuskegee… but now if you look up on wiki, you find out about the foundation from the wealthy fabian socilaists from sears who funded tuskeegee, then withdrew funding which prevented them treatment.

    so like you ask. how can the racists be the protectors?

    its been that way all the time. its why i tried to show hte hayes tilden stuff… the murders in the parishes.

    its a communist tactic… you can even read about it in the article in Pravda commenting on the US being soviet now…

    Communist Victory Amerika

    They began to invade the country as a virus infects a body. Like the plague it engulfed the whole land and the strongest lamented over the nation’s weakness. These creatures twisted the words freedom into the freedom to do every vice and evil the wicked could conceive. It turned everything upside down. Good was bad. Men became women. Women became men. Sodom and Gomorrah was rebuilt. Capitalism was no longer there to help others but selfishness grew and greed vomited out its illicit pleasures of entertainment that blinded the minds of millions. Those who could not be perverted were given comforts and toys that would satisfy them. Souls became empty and they reached out for anything that gave them temporary peace again and again.
    The sane were considered insane. The foolish were praised as philosophers. Judges were deranged and released from prison murderers, rapists and child molesters back into the public to kill, rape and sexually assault children. Good people watched in horror on TV. Was it a movie, TV show or was it reality? Like a cat toying with a mouse before it’s killed, millions were entranced before meeting their end.

    The Communist trick is to accuse their innocent opponent of the illegal activity they themselves are involved in.
    And if you take the time, you can then see how the truth is now unraveling and showing what was going on, and all over. Because they have the power they need and there is no way to stop it!!!!!
    Remember it was Odinga in Kenya that facilitated a communist take over too.
    And that his relatives are here in the white house doing the same
    and now, look at another nobel peace prize (now the nobel communist prize)…

    See part II of this post… Nelson Mandela is a Communist.

  28. artfldgr Says:

    part II

    can we finally be allowed to say that the people who took over in africa for kenya and south africa are communists?

    Nelson Mandela ‘proven’ to be a member of the Communist Party after decades of denial

    A new book claims that, 50 years after he was first accused of being a Communist, Nelson Mandela was a Communist party member after all.

    Was Nelson Mandela, the leader of the African National Congress, really a secret Communist, as the white-only government of the time alleged? Or, as he claimed during the infamous 1963 trial that saw him jailed for life, was it simply a smear to discredit him in a world riven by Cold War tensions?

    ie. did they put him away because he was black fighting for the rights of Africans, or because he was a communist subversive trying to change the state? (and getting assistance from Russia, a country who bankrupted its people to pay for all this kind of stuff world wide – rather than build economy)

    The former South African president, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1993, has always denied being a member of the South African branch of the movement, which mounted an armed campaign of guerrilla resistance along with the ANC.

    aint that funny… part of terrorist factions. just like ayers was part and has someone close in state. which is just like rote zora, which reminds us of feminisms terorrist roots.

    and fancy that, all socialist too…
    [you cant fight what you cant identify as opposition]

    But research by a British historian, Professor Stephen Ellis, has unearthed fresh evidence that during his early years as an activist, Mr Mandela did hold senior rank in the South African Communist Party, or SACP. He says Mr Mandela joined the SACP to enlist the help of the Communist superpowers for the ANC’s campaign of armed resistance to white rule.

    His book also provides fresh detail on how the ANC’s military wing had bomb-making lessons from the IRA, and intelligence training from the East German Stasi, which it used to carry out brutal interrogations of suspected “spies” at secret prison camps.

    As evidence of Mr Mandela’s Communist party membership, Prof Ellis cites minutes from a secret 1982 SACP meeting, discovered in a collection of private papers at the University of Cape Town, in which a veteran former party member, the late John Pule Motshabi, talks about how Mr Mandela was a party member some two decades before.

    In the minutes, Mr Motshabi, is quoted as saying: “There was an accusation that we opposed allowing Nelson [Mandela] and Walter (Sisulu, a fellow activist) into the Family (a code word for the party) … we were not informed because this was arising after the 1950 campaigns (a series of street protests). The recruitment of the two came after.”

  29. artfldgr Says:

    Russia enters USA’s strategic territories in Africa

    But even amid deteriorating relations with the West, Museveni raised many eyebrows with his pro-Russian and even but pro-Soviet rhetoric. He urged Russia to reset relations with Africa, which, in his opinion, were perfect during the Cold War.

    Resetting the reset: Hillary warns Moscow against a new Soviet Union

    In a sign the United States may be finally changing its line toward Russia, Hillary Clinton has warned that Moscow is trying to recreate a new version of the Soviet Union under the guise of economic integration.

    In some of her most critical words yet, the US secretary of state told reporters on Thursday that Washington would fight Russia’s effort to boost its influence among its neighbors.

    “There is a move to re-Sovietize the region,” she said. “It’s not going to be called that. It’s going to be called a customs union, it will be called Eurasian Union and all of that. But let’s make no mistake about it. We know what the goal is and we are trying to figure out effective ways to slow down or prevent it.”

    [prevent it externally, but did the dupe get what she was a part of internally with her Fulbright scholarship exchange student to Moscow husband?]

  30. Christopher Says:

    As a Southerner who grew up in the age of segregation, and for many years thought it the natural order of things, I would be careful about tying the Democrats to the KKK and so forth. It does not take much historical knowledge, or research, to know that the Southern Democrat Party of yesteryear, is now the Southern Republican Party.

    With respect to your background and experiences, Oldflyer, I think the Claremont Institute’s 2004 paper The Myth of the Racist Republicans pretty much shreds that argument. YMMV, of course.

  31. Don Carlos Says:

    This is a sad and sorry thread, with the fundamental question of “What to do about the MSM”, aka Ministry of Propaganda, being derailed by the pointless themes of whether Repubs have a racist core and whether TFG is marxist or not.

    The bottom line, seems to me, is whether we can fight the Left by following conventional rules or not. Trying to achieve shareholder control of the MSM, as posed by ziontruth, is conventional rule thinking: and it is NOT possible. Consider the market capitalization of GE (owns NBC) is 227billion, Disney (owns ABC) is 87 bill, CBS is 22 bill. Ownership of ~10% minimum would be needed, at least, and even then the outcome would be far from certain. You think 30 billion plus could be raised for the effort? Over what time? Futile.

    Secession? Non-payment of IRS taxes? Masses walking off their jobs? Boycotts? utterly futile.

    The bad news is that our sociopolitical cancer is, like Chavez’s, no longer curable. We will over time move thru the denial-anger-bargaining phases and come to acceptance of the political mortality of the USA as based on constitutional principles.

    A friend of mine, a highly-regarded estate attorney, tells me that in 30 years of practice she has never experienced anything like this years-end crush of ‘wealthy’ clients looking to reduce their estates before Dec. 31. For these people, it is every-family-for-itself, man-the-lifeboats. They achieved prosperity by correctly anticipating the future….and the future is bleak.

  32. neo-neocon Says:

    Don Carlos: I don’t think the suggestion was that the right could take over the entire media that way. But some inroads would be good.

    I know you are of the “all is lost” camp. Perhaps you’re correct. But that will become clear in the fullness of time. In the meantime I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to give up. I am not convinced you are correct.

    As I think I wrote in a different comment, if you’re right and this is all wasted effort, then so what? Big deal, because it wouldn’t have mattered either way what we do, so we may as well have tried. And it’s not as though preparing for the worst, and trying to avoid the worst, are mutually exclusive activities.

    And if you’re wrong and yet people give up prematurely because they are convinced it’s no use trying, that’s a very very bad proposition.

  33. n.n Says:

    It’s not about racism or any other class issue per se. It is about exploiting differentials and gradients as leverage to marginalize or eviscerate competing interests. The principal difference between the left and right is that the former prefers to establish monopolies or monopolistic practices in order to advance their political, economic, and social standing. To do this, they are willing to murder people on the order of hundreds of millions.

    They do not respect individual dignity other than their own. They do not recognize an intrinsic value of human life other than their own. This is why they are capable of rationalizing policies which denigrate individual dignity and devalue human life. This is why it is seemingly impossible to hold these people accountable for their words and actions.

    It is dissociation of risk which causes corruption. It is dreams of instant gratification which motivates its progress.

  34. n.n Says:

    Teens gunned down young mother, 22, after she told them to ‘get a job’

    Obama and Holder, as well as the so-called civil and human rights businesses, are selective crickets.

    Carlos Romero, Donkey Sex Suspect, Says It’s His Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Animals

    He’s neither right nor wrong. The Constitution does not proscribe this dysfunctional behavior. As it does not proscribe most dysfunctional behaviors. It does not, however, grant a right to engage in bestiality or any other dysfunctional behavior. Most people assume that normal behaviors are defined by their contribution to evolutionary fitness of the species.

    It should be interesting to observe how people will reconcile mutually inconsistent subjective standards. So far, the outcome is progressive corruption, instability and decay throughout our society.

  35. Don Carlos Says:

    The reason I’m in the “all is lost” camp is because I am a reasonable student of history, and I see no way out of the fix our nation has entered. None. I am reminded of Germany in 1933, China in 1948, Cuba in 1959, and Argentina and Venezuela and the list goes on….

    Whether we can or cannot come back after two or three generations is not a topic that interests me or my children or my grandchildren. I have a brilliant and beautiful daughter in third year of medical school, studying her heart out and questioning, “Why?”

  36. Don Carlos Says:

    The Claremont Institute, today:

    “Dear Friends of the Claremont Institute,
    The conservative setback in the recent election is part of a 100 year advance of the welfare state. Even Ronald Reagan could not stem it. It is Claremont’s view that most conservatives do not fully understand the cause of their defeat. They focus on symptoms, not the fundamental cause: the early 20th century Progressive overthrow of the Founders’ political philosophy which has led, slowly but inexorably, to a regime committed to what liberals call “social justice.” This means equal outcomes, not the equal opportunity of the Founders.

    Conservatives need to respond, to engage liberals at the level of political philosophy. Conservatives must convince the American public that “social justice” is actually injustice for it denies the nature of man.”

    To “engage” liberals in political philosophy goes back to Neo’s theme, A Mind is a Difficult Thing to Change. We do not have the time required to accomplish such change; the Left will see to that.

  37. ziontruth Says:

    Alright, once again a post of mine gets rejected repeatedly by the software for some inexplicable reason, and once again I circumvent the problem by posting it on my old website. My response to Don Carlos.

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