December 28th, 2012

Senator Dianne Feinstein…

takes aim at guns.

38 Responses to “Senator Dianne Feinstein…”

  1. Tom Murin Says:

    But we can’t make someone show ID to vote, why?

  2. George Pal Says:

    By proposing such sweeping legislation Ms. – make that Senatrix, Feinstein shows that she won’t know what’s in the bill until it’s passed. No-one can ever again know what’s in any bill until it’s passed and SCOTUS has dis- and reassembled it – gratis.

  3. Sam L. Says:

    But…of course! Why not! Theater (of the absurd) is what she does.

  4. rickl Says:

    They really do want a civil war, don’t they?

    Do they think the tens of millions of people who have been buying guns and ammo in record numbers during the past four years are just going to turn them in when ordered?

  5. southernjames Says:

    According to an excellent (albeit long) article, which I highly recommend,

    http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

    there are approximately 80 million gun owners in America. Due to this ludicrous broad over-reach by Feinstein, which puts 120 different types of guns (including handguns) in its cross hairs, my guess is that no fewer than 10-20 million gun owners will be subject to it – forced to register themselves with the Feds with fingerprints, etc. ….

    If this passes, it will be a national disaster, and I do not believe I am being melodramatic in saying that. Suddenly, with one signature, we will see, instantaneously, the single largest act of civil disobedience in the history of this country. I don’t know what the number will be — 250,000? 500,000? 2 million?…..but hundreds of thousands of honest, decent, law abiding citizens, will refuse to obey the mandates of this law….and they will become instant felons — and will be considered armed and dangerous CRIMINALS by what used to be our government. How is that not a horror to contemplate.

    In my 54 years, my entire criminal history has consisted of underaged drinking in the 70′s, underaged smoking in the 70′s, and getting caught disobeying the posted speed limit a few times.

    The moral dilemma the passage of this law, if enacted, creates for me, makes me literally sick to my stomach. First comes national registration. 5 years, ten years, however many years later, comes forced confiscation. Which will of course include no-knock raids, if necessary. That has always been a historical certainty. Don’t try to tell me it won’t happen. 25 years ago the concept of gay marriage was laughable too. Now you’re a hater and socially unacceptable in polite company if you don’t embrace it. As just one example, of how things can change in a few short years….

    So…. One more step towards our becoming a fascist totalitarian banana republic. All Obama will need for this disaster to be considered constitutional is one more SC court judicial appointment.

    I do not know if I can, in good conscience, dishonor the memory of my ancestors who sacrificed everything to come to this country to breath the air of freedom, and their offspring who subsequently fought to preserve it – by obeying this law, should it pass. Banning so-called “assault weapons” is one thing. (which is of course, stupid and ineffective). This proposed law is quite another.

    November, 2012 taught me that the political game is truly rigged and fixed – I am not going to even bother trying to write to my Senator about this. What good would it do? Hollering about ObamaCare did a lot of good, didn’t it. Volunteering and donating to try to oust the worst president in my lifetime did a lot of good, didn’t it.

    Prayerful reflection is about all I have left. Praying that I, and millions of others like me, dodge this bullet, and that this law gets laughed out of the Senate; so that we are not faced with having to make a choice we do not want to make and which we should not be forced to make.

    These are dark times. It is winter in America.

  6. Ike Says:

    “Squirrel!”

  7. Mr. Frank Says:

    I hope the Dems go after this whole hog. Over 70% of Americans do not support banning hand guns and this legislation catches many semi automatic pistols.

    Before the last election the NRA was warning that Obama would go after guns. Looks like they were right.

  8. southernjames Says:

    Mr. Frank – a majority of Americans supposedly didn’t want Obamacare passed either. And we now have it, and it will never go away. Romney was also supposedly a lock in some states he ended up losing. I don’t count on polls anymore, for anything.

    So, contrary to your hope – I hope the NRA, et al still have enough pull/influence to scare enough Dems who are in generally red or moderate districts, to switch over to the GOP side on this. I think Harry Reid actually has a favorable NRA rating…..so….let’s hope he tells Diane F–kstein to go pound sand.

    I am no longer interested in any arguments along the lines of “oooo, the Dems better watch it, or they will really pay for THIS one! Oh boy, this time they will really step in it!”

    Baloney. Whether it be the fiscal cliff or Hilary’s Bengahzi avoidance – or anything else you can think of. The national statist media will protect them no matter what. So – the only leverage is fear of being targeted back in the home district in a primary challenge, if they veer too far to the left…

  9. Artfldgr Says:

    “Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act which deprived a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” Ghandi

    Rickle

    They really do want a civil war, don’t they?

    Do they think the tens of millions of people who have been buying guns and ammo in record numbers during the past four years are just going to turn them in when ordered?

    Yes, they do…

    and History will show you that taking the guns away need only start happening. fewer people than talk are actually willing to shoot at their own countrymen and even fewer are willing to be the first ones to do so and be made a gross example of.

    The Germans did it to the Jews and others they targeted in shoa I.

    this is Shoa II, and its the same people, same ideas, same solutions, same everything down to nationalization and man of the year in time and Nobel peace prizes, eugenics, euthanasia. everything lacking but the crash and war…

    The peoples cube comments on a sign in the ny city subway…

    This picture is a testament to the successful completion of a long-term, systematic programming of mass consciousness by the media, education, and entertainment subsidiaries of the Party Central Committee — starting with the unconditional love of other people’s money and ending with the unconditional rage against enemies of the people.

    The demonization of the opposition is meant to be the final stage of revolutionary conditioning.

    It seems that it just may be completed on schedule, with four more years to solidify the revolutionary fundamental transformation of America.

    right now they are stoking the fires to make white men who are what republicans are now to them, be responsible for lanza, and society, and women not being house fraus, and women being house fraus, and uneven school scores, and poverty, and child poverty, and not paying their fair share, and guns, and etc..

    if any of you had family back in Germany or these other countries, you would have realized where this was going to go when it got to the end.

    a external conflict will remove military who would not act, and what would remain is a civilian force to handle the civil problems. didn’t Obama mention a internal civilian force as large as the military and as well funded?

    given Feinstein, you can guarantee that the game is over, or else she would not write or act so.

    the more stress they put on the population, the more they drive fringes to act, the more they have to use and so on.

    Feinstein and other feminists are part of a leading charge on this. after all, women who protect abortions are also the women who dont want anything to happen to any children, made everyone get a trophy and moved us to lake woebegone..

    and before you say no…
    http://feministmajoritypac.org/Candidates/feinstein.html

    do guys have a pac?
    (are they even allowed to have one?)
    2012 candidate supported…
    http://feministmajoritypac.org/Candidates/default.htm

    Women Against Gun Violence (WAGV) have some lovely ideas.

    Guns and Feminism
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/poe/poe4.html

    My Response to an Anti Gun Article from a Feminist Website
    http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2010/01/22/my-response-to-an-anti-gun-article-from-a-feminist-website/

    they have been at this thing for a long time.
    here is 1992 and their 1st amendment efforts

    Feminists Against the First Amendment

    A critique of a movement that is winning new recruits among politicians and on college campuses—a movement that appeals to the widespread loathing of pornography, that promotes a view of men as lubricious brutes, and that has united authoritarians on the left and the right in an assault on free speech

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    and note below, this woman (self protection advocate) really told chuck schumer the what for!!!

    Dr. Suzanna Hupp Testimony (Better Quality) to Congress on the Second Amend
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FvTO-y-B2YM

  10. Steve Says:

    This does not seem to be a political winner for the left. I don’t see any downside for Republicans. If anything I think they should welcome a chance to vote on the bill. Dems from red states will be loathe to vote for it especially if they are up for re-election in 2014. I don’t see how it could pass the Republican-led House. The public may respond by voting out dems regardless of their vote in the midterm elections.

  11. n.n Says:

    By virtue of coercive superior force, it is the government’s prerogative to take our guns. By virtue of numerically superior force, it is the citizens’ prerogative to visit Mexico (or Libya) to recover them.

  12. rickl Says:

    Artfldgr:

    While I understand the perils of saying “this time it’ll be different”, I think we have the advantages of 1) the Second Amendment enshrined in our Constitution; 2) a long history of widespread gun ownership in America, and 3) the crystal-clear lessons of history (and make no mistake, pro-gun people are well aware of the sordid history, and consequences, of gun registration and confiscation in totalitarian societies).

  13. turfmann Says:

    southernjames Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    FWIW, sir, I applaud your excellent lament.

    All too true, unfortunately.

  14. rickl Says:

    Steve Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    The way I look at is that the Democrats clearly understand the concept of “negotiation” better than the Republicans. Start with a proposal that is utterly unacceptable, and wait for the spineless Republicans to offer a “reasonable compromise” which further erodes our rights.

    We’ve been “compromising” ever since the National Firearms Act of 1934. No more. Not another inch.

  15. Ymarsakar Says:

    Wasn’t Feinstein one of those Leftists that used the power of the evil totem gun pole when it suited them. But when it is in the hands of the regular citizen, suddenly it now becomes dangerous.

  16. Promethea Says:

    Our criminal reps have lost their understanding of their role in society and are going to go down legally or illegally. Skillful assassins could destroy fools like Feinstein with a well-place arrow. Don’t any of these idiots watch “Arrow”?

    Knives and baseball bats also make great weapons. Won’t she and her ilk be afraid to attend a grandchild’s wedding? No amount of Secret Service can protect all the senators and representatives all the time. History is full of examples of unpopular fascists going down.

    Americans will NOT be bullied.

  17. Promethea Says:

    Let’s see. We had gun confiscation in the Soviet Union. 20 or so million Russians lost in the gulag. Then we had gun confiscation in Nazi Germany. 2 or 3 million Germans lost? Mao’s China murdered about 100 million. I’m not even counting the victims in the “Bloodlands” of Central and Eastern Europe or the Holocaust or Pol Pot’s massacres.

    There’s a website “20th-century democide” http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM devoted to victims of their governments. We already know that Bill Ayers expects 25 million Americans to be sent to concentration camps in order to bring socialism to the U.S.

    The issue of gun “control” is NOT a joke.

  18. Promethea Says:

    I forgot to mention “poison,” “the garotte,” and a shove down the stairs. Weapons are everywhere. Readers of mystery and spy novels can probably list hundreds.

    Our criminal reps like Feinstein and her ilk should be more afraid of their own citizens than they are of Islam. Right now, it’s the reverse. The criminal reps are aiding and abetting Islam because those people seem scarier. That should end now.

  19. rickl Says:

    Promethea:

    Great comments.

    Yep, Muslims understand the uses of violence in cowing their enemies.

    And violence is the only language that tyrants understand.

  20. rickl Says:

    It’s things like this that led me to cut ties with my liberal/leftist ex-friends.

    There’s no point in continuing to associate with them and leave them in a position to rat me out to the authorities, as was commonplace in East Germany.

    It’s time for each and every one of us to choose sides, and to cut off ties with the enemy.

  21. waltj Says:

    The Feinstein proposal, as it is written, would do absolutely nothing to prevent crime. What it would do is make it easier to trace the legal owners of firearms, which is the whole point of the legislation. Can I get a Seig heil, anyone?

  22. waltj Says:

    Sieg heil, that is. Preview is my friend…

  23. rickl Says:

    Kevin Baker of The Smallest Minority has reposted a post he wrote in 2003.

    It’s surprisingly fresh and contemporary. Prescient, even.

    A Mistake a Free People Get to Make Only Once

  24. Ryan Says:

    I don’t think the bill in its initial form will go anywhere. However, I do sadly see another “assault weapons” ban passed. There’s so much nonsense thrown around in the media about rifles like the AR-15 it makes me sick.

    And I will be one of those people required to register and fingerprint.

  25. Promethea Says:

    I want an AR-15. They seem perfect for an average-sized old lady. Maybe I’ll get one for my next birthday.

    After reading the link that Rickl 10:26 provided, I see now that I’ve been thinking like a liberal, i.e. “the perfect is the enemy of the good.” So what if I can’t shoot perfectly. I certainly can attempt to defend myself when the roving mobs let loose by Rahm Emanuel pension plans for his buddies (may he rot in hell) try to break into my home.

    Right now, I’ve been too dependent on 911 and the knives in our kitchen drawer. Plus a claw hammer and a staple gun. Time to think outside the drawer.

  26. SCOTTtheBADGER Says:

    Promethea,

    Check out the Smith & Wesson M&P 15, the S&W version of the AR-15. It is of equal quality to the Colt, and costs considerably less. I have two of them, one being the M&P15-22, which is made in .22lr, so you can buy a box of 550 Remington Yellow Jackets on sale at WalMart, and shoot all weekend for under $20.00. Whichever you buy, be sure to get at least 2 extra magazines, as it is a drag to have to stop and reload after every one!

  27. NeoConScum Says:

    Bumper Sticker on Senator Feinstein’s Prius Limo:

    SPOONS CAUSE OBESITY!!

  28. rickl Says:

    Promethea Says:
    December 29th, 2012 at 12:42 am

    I want an AR-15. They seem perfect for an average-sized old lady.

    They are! Every old lady, and young lady, should own one. I’m perfectly serious.

    There are many good reasons why the AR-15 is one of the most popular long guns ever designed. They’re lightweight, they fire small but powerful rounds, and there’s not as much recoil as rifles that fire larger bullets. You can get magazines that hold 10, 20, or 30 rounds. 10-rounders are fine for target shooting, since they let you take a break to reload.

    The same basic design is made by dozens of manufacturers, and you can get them in long-barreled rifle or short-barreled carbine versions. (I have an Armalite carbine that I bought in November 2008, as soon as Obama was elected.)

    They’re easy to disassemble for cleaning. Also, you just have to remove two pins to separate them into “upper” and “lower” sections. The “lower” is what is considered the “gun” for legal purposes. That’s the part that has the serial number and which you need to submit the paperwork and jump through the various legal hoops to obtain.

    But guess what? You can swap a different “upper” that is chambered for different calibers, such as the light and cheap .22 or the much more powerful .308. You could use the same “lower” for home defense, target practice, squirrel hunting, or deer hunting, depending on your needs.

    It’s also infinitely customizable. You can use the standard fixed sights, or remove them and attach scopes or laser pointers. Accessories such as handguards are available in different colors, which should also be attractive to women.

    I don’t know how many millions of these weapons are already in circulation. So when we hear a news story of a mass shooter using an AR-15, the question is not, “Why don’t we ban those guns?” but, “Why would he use anything else?”

  29. Oldflyer Says:

    It is a pipe dream to believe that there will be any resistance to gun laws. There may be millions of gun owners, and there may even be millions who would like to resist such laws; but, these millions act as individuals, or at most in small groups. And that is how the Feds will come for you; as individuals or small groups. See Waco for the worst case scenario. The only answer is to squash the laws at their source. Dare I say abort them in the womb?

    Promethea you now need to include subway trains among the lethal weapons. The second episode of murder by subway occurred in NYC this week. Bloomberg, their idiot Mayor, says “stay calm”.

    Years ago, at her request, I bought my wife a .22 caliber, tubular magazine, semi-auto rifle. She can pull the trigger 15 times. She couldn’t hit squat, but if she were shooting down a hallway, it would certainly make someone pause. If I had been thinking, I would have bought an AR-15. Personally, I am old fashioned, and keep a .38 revolver in my bedside table, and a pump shot gun in the corner. I don’t expect to ever use them; but, I do like having them.

  30. NeoConScum Says:

    My S & W Model 1955 .45acp is a work of art. My S & W Model 1917 .45acp is historical and deadly. My Ruger Redhawk .41 Mag is vicious. My Mom’s buck hunting-scoped 8mm Mauser is gorgeous and Dad’s buck hunting-scoped Winchester .270-Featherweight is rare and ornery…Ahhhhhhh…and several more. My Florida concealed carry permit is lovely…Ahhhhhhhhh..(-:

  31. Wolla Dalbo Says:

    If you read a list of the major provisions that will supposedly be a part of Feinstein’s bill, you will see that it really aims at the ultimate disarming of the citizenry.

    A case in point, the provision that, in addition to paying a $200 “registration fee” (read fine), registering your weapon and any high capacity magazines and being fingerprinted, the bill would allow only the original owner to have possession of the weapons. Moreover, now that the state knows that you have this or that “registered weapons” it is in a position to enforce the provision of Feinstein’s legislation that mandates that such weapons could not pass down by inheritance, but would have to be turned in to the State upon their owner’s death.

    My guess is that this legislation is so draconian to, first, please Feinstein’s far left anti-gun base and, second, as a bargaining ploy.

    They start out with an extremely harsh, likely un-passable bill as a beginning point, and then give up or soften various parts of it in “negotiations” with opponents. By this means arriving at a softened “compromise” bill that would have never been passed had it been offered originally, but whose provisions—some or all of them—could now be sold as a “compromise,” and would now have a much better chance of passing vs. the original outlandishly harsh original legislation.

    The solution to this ploy, of course, Is for opponents to refuse to consider any legislation restricting gun purchase, ownership, or licensed carry in any shape or form, regardless of all the names they would be called, and the TV comedians or newspaper editorials excoriating them.

  32. ziontruth Says:

    This recent spate of assaults on the Second Amendment is only logical. The election of a Marxist to a second term of presidency has shown the fading away of American exceptionalism. Mark Steyn no longer believes Americans are exceptional. I still do, but I think American exceptionalism now hangs by the thread of the Second Amendment.

    This is the final test. Should the Marxist regime succeed in disarming the law-abiding populace, it will spell the end of the Great American Experiment and the putting out of the world’s brightest beacon of freedom and model of liberty. Future historians will treat point as a juncture, for good or ill. This is the critical time.

  33. rickl Says:

    ziontruth Says:
    December 29th, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    Future historians will treat point as a juncture, for good or ill. This is the critical time.

    I agree. I’ve been thinking for a while that this is an historical moment.

    On the one hand, we have the radical left completely triumphant in every sphere of society, and through education, the media, and immigration, are poised to permanently cement their unchallenged rule in place.

    Opposing them is the spineless and ball-less Republican Party, whose leaders couldn’t elucidate a principle if their lives depended on it.

    Interesting times, all right.

  34. John McLachlan Says:

    If Barack Obama’s friend, Bill Ayres, has his way, their lives may depend on it.

    Which group discussed the logistics of murdering 25 million Americans, who refused to be re-educated?

  35. rickl Says:

    Heh. In my earlier comment about AR-15s, I mentioned uppers and lowers. Russ from Winterset at Ace of Spades goes into much greater detail here: Quick Suggestions on Buying an AR

    It’s true; some people build their own out of parts, just as audiophiles assemble high-end sound systems.

    A “stripped lower” is just a rectangular metal box with holes in it, but the ATF treats it like a whole gun.

  36. Promethea Says:

    Thanks for all your gun suggestions. I can see from this thread and from Ace of Spades that guns are a HUGE subject. I also used to enjoy watching Top Shot. I would probably love to get into the subject more fully.

    If my husband weren’t such a liberal and an anti-gun freak, this would be a great subject for the two of us to enjoy together. I envy those couples who can go out shooting together.

    If I ever actually buy an AR-15 or whatever, it will be a signal that law and order in Chicago have totally broken down. If I can make it alive to the suburbs, then I’ll begin my new life as a shooter.

    Right now, I’m just shooting off my mouth, waiting for the economy to collapse. If it doesn’t, then we’re all lucky.

  37. rickl Says:

    I’ve been informed that, contrary to my earlier comment, a .308 upper cannot be used on a standard AR-15 lower, as it requires a larger magazine well.

    It’s embarrassing when I spout off on a topic that I have limited knowledge of and then be proven wrong. But that’s also one of the strengths of the internet.

  38. Tin Says:

    She wants civil war then she’ll get it, this will cause a blood bath and then we’ ll see how she will like that! This woman is out of her tree if she thinks we will go unarmed in a country of criminals, gang members and people who if they knew you were unarmed would diffenitly take your life and advantage of you. He’ll these idiots in office can’t stop the drug smuggling and she thinks they won’t smuggle in guns. Great idea Miss idiot just look at history the blood bath created by proabition, oh that worked didn’t it. Gangsters got rich and lives were lost. Now instead of alcohol it will be GUNS SMUGGLING! Feinstein you will be responsible for it you idiot senator! Make the criminals richer and the country defenseless. Because cops cannot protect us I know, I was one for 30 years and by the time they arrive its over and the criminals are long gone. People are robbed, dead or dying and women raped and why. Because criminals will have no fear, they will have guns! Why because they don’t care about the law woman ! They don’t give a rats ass about your stupid ass laws and rules. DO THEY! What you need to do is keep your damn nose out of free people’s business. And shut your pie hole and collect your fat salary for doing nothing constructive. If you really want to do something you should get a bill passed to arm every law bidding honest American citizen and let them carry concealed weapons providing they take proper classes and qualify every six mos. this would do many things. First and foremost it would stop shootings like that in conneticut, it would creat jobs, ranges and gun sales, gun production, people issuing licenses, concealed carry permits, leather goods, holsters, ammo pouches, belts. Ammo sales. And less crime period.
    Mrs Finstien get on board with America, don’t try to be communist, just look at the U.K. NOW THEY WANT THEIR GUNS BACK AND THEY ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES AUSTRAILIA ALSO, CRIMINALS RUN A MUCK THERE, crime is higher than ever and Bobbies now where body armor and carry guns, why because criminals have guns and they kill people who are honest and law bidding!
    Tin RET. LAPD/ RET U.S. ARMY

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