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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-506436</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 07:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just prove the conspiracy. All the stuff about 9/11 was either unprovable or unproven still this day

There are plenty of ways to investigate group organized terror, either cellular or memetic or ideologically based.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just prove the conspiracy. All the stuff about 9/11 was either unprovable or unproven still this day</p>
<p>There are plenty of ways to investigate group organized terror, either cellular or memetic or ideologically based.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-504484</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gender.
I&#039;d heard 14 and 4.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gender.<br />
I&#8217;d heard 14 and 4.</p>
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		<title>By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Gender Bïgǒt</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-504175</link>
		<dc:creator>Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Gender Bïgǒt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neo, there&#039;s a &quot;poster&quot; floating around, no idea as the the reliability of the statistic, but it says:

Average number of people killed in sprees when the police are the &quot;first responder&quot;: 18

Average number of people killed in sprees when an armed local citizen is the &quot;first responder&quot;: 2

I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s true, or even accurate, but it does seem likely to be. I&#039;d love to see an actual paper, with a data trail, that shows what the real numbers are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, there&#8217;s a &#8220;poster&#8221; floating around, no idea as the the reliability of the statistic, but it says:</p>
<p>Average number of people killed in sprees when the police are the &#8220;first responder&#8221;: 18</p>
<p>Average number of people killed in sprees when an armed local citizen is the &#8220;first responder&#8221;: 2</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s true, or even accurate, but it does seem likely to be. I&#8217;d love to see an actual paper, with a data trail, that shows what the real numbers are.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-504042</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey: by the way, the response time might have been less than fifteen minutes.  Fifteen minutes is apparently the time from the initial call to the shooter&#039;s suicide.  The suicide apparently occurred when the shooter perceived the police had located him.  They may have arrived quite a bit earlier than that.

I agree: in a situation like this, the only response that matters, really, must be very quick.  That&#039;s why someone armed at the scene is probably the only way to prevent a lot of carnage.  

Of course, &lt;i&gt;without&lt;/i&gt; the police&#039;s arrival, even after that much time, the shooter probably would have been able to kill even &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; people.  In the Breivik shooting, the perpetrator &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks#Ut.C3.B8ya_massacre&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reportedly had an hour and a half&lt;/a&gt; to do his damage before police arrived (it was on an island).  He stalked and killed 77 people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey: by the way, the response time might have been less than fifteen minutes.  Fifteen minutes is apparently the time from the initial call to the shooter&#8217;s suicide.  The suicide apparently occurred when the shooter perceived the police had located him.  They may have arrived quite a bit earlier than that.</p>
<p>I agree: in a situation like this, the only response that matters, really, must be very quick.  That&#8217;s why someone armed at the scene is probably the only way to prevent a lot of carnage.  </p>
<p>Of course, <i>without</i> the police&#8217;s arrival, even after that much time, the shooter probably would have been able to kill even <i>more</i> people.  In the Breivik shooting, the perpetrator <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks#Ut.C3.B8ya_massacre" rel="nofollow">reportedly had an hour and a half</a> to do his damage before police arrived (it was on an island).  He stalked and killed 77 people.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-504031</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[neo.
Thanks for the info on the response.  If it takes that long to respond, if that&#039;s the minimum expected time, then it appears the cops are useless--nothing personal, guys--unless they&#039;re already on site.
So we have, say, fifteen minutes.  Lot can happen, including reloading a single-shot muzzle loader about forty times if you&#039;re good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo.<br />
Thanks for the info on the response.  If it takes that long to respond, if that&#8217;s the minimum expected time, then it appears the cops are useless&#8211;nothing personal, guys&#8211;unless they&#8217;re already on site.<br />
So we have, say, fifteen minutes.  Lot can happen, including reloading a single-shot muzzle loader about forty times if you&#8217;re good.</p>
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		<title>By: MissJean</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-503968</link>
		<dc:creator>MissJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 21:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States and Some Canadian Provinces Says:

“One gets on the screen he’s literally suppressing a smile”

When I was a teenager, I attended a citizenship seminar that included visits from state politicians and a couple naturalized citizens on what America meant. One was a woman whose family had survived Nazis and had fallen asleep in a ditch when they were discovered by Russian soldiers who raped her mother and sister, then shot them all. She SMILED the whole time she told this part of the story, a terrible smile that was sort of pasted-on.  

I didn&#039;t see that sort of smile again until I attended the funeral of a close family friend&#039;s who was brutally killed. And we laughed so much at the wake that the funeral director had to come in and quiet us down. We were in shock and clutching at straws. 

Also, people on the autistic spectrum tend to have inappropriate reactions to emotional situations. Smiling at a loved one&#039;s death was mentioned in a textbook I read last year; I think it was called &quot;Look at me when I&#039;m talking to you&quot; or something like that. 

Incidentally, a few years ago here in the Detroit area, there was a woman killed in the parking lot of a grocery store.  When he talked to the reporters, he didn&#039;t display the &quot;proper&quot; amount of grief, so people started suggesting that he had a hand in killing her.  It turned out that no, he didn&#039;t.  It was a complete stranger who was jacking her car who killed her.  The family even had a press conference to discuss what it was like to have people turning on their dad, who was basically just an undemonstrative guy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IGotBupkis, Legally Defined Cyberbully in All 57 States and Some Canadian Provinces Says:</p>
<p>“One gets on the screen he’s literally suppressing a smile”</p>
<p>When I was a teenager, I attended a citizenship seminar that included visits from state politicians and a couple naturalized citizens on what America meant. One was a woman whose family had survived Nazis and had fallen asleep in a ditch when they were discovered by Russian soldiers who raped her mother and sister, then shot them all. She SMILED the whole time she told this part of the story, a terrible smile that was sort of pasted-on.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see that sort of smile again until I attended the funeral of a close family friend&#8217;s who was brutally killed. And we laughed so much at the wake that the funeral director had to come in and quiet us down. We were in shock and clutching at straws. </p>
<p>Also, people on the autistic spectrum tend to have inappropriate reactions to emotional situations. Smiling at a loved one&#8217;s death was mentioned in a textbook I read last year; I think it was called &#8220;Look at me when I&#8217;m talking to you&#8221; or something like that. </p>
<p>Incidentally, a few years ago here in the Detroit area, there was a woman killed in the parking lot of a grocery store.  When he talked to the reporters, he didn&#8217;t display the &#8220;proper&#8221; amount of grief, so people started suggesting that he had a hand in killing her.  It turned out that no, he didn&#8217;t.  It was a complete stranger who was jacking her car who killed her.  The family even had a press conference to discuss what it was like to have people turning on their dad, who was basically just an undemonstrative guy.</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-503924</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[holmes: he hasn&#039;t been around here for about a month.  Hope he&#039;s okay!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holmes: he hasn&#8217;t been around here for about a month.  Hope he&#8217;s okay!</p>
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		<title>By: holmes</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-503919</link>
		<dc:creator>holmes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where is kolnai, btw?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is kolnai, btw?</p>
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		<title>By: neo-neocon</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-503897</link>
		<dc:creator>neo-neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 19:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey: like so many things about the Newtown shootings, your information about the timing of the police response appears to be incorrect.  It is very difficult to get official word on anything about Newtown, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Shootings&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Wiki entry&lt;/a&gt; (which is footnoted; you can check it yourself to see if you feel the information is valid) indicates that the first calls came in to the Newtown police at 9:35 and to the state police at 9:41.  The shooter stopped shooting (and presumably killed himself) some time between 9:46 and 9:49, reportedly because he realized the police had come.  The Wiki entry says that police radio indicates he killed himself fifteen minutes after the first call came in to the police.  So, if you figure out it takes a little while to get into the car, some time to drive to the school (how far away was it located?), some time for the killer to realize the police are there and to commit suicide, you realize that unless the police station is one minute from the school (which I doubt), the response was pretty quick.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey: like so many things about the Newtown shootings, your information about the timing of the police response appears to be incorrect.  It is very difficult to get official word on anything about Newtown, but <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Shootings" rel="nofollow">the Wiki entry</a> (which is footnoted; you can check it yourself to see if you feel the information is valid) indicates that the first calls came in to the Newtown police at 9:35 and to the state police at 9:41.  The shooter stopped shooting (and presumably killed himself) some time between 9:46 and 9:49, reportedly because he realized the police had come.  The Wiki entry says that police radio indicates he killed himself fifteen minutes after the first call came in to the police.  So, if you figure out it takes a little while to get into the car, some time to drive to the school (how far away was it located?), some time for the killer to realize the police are there and to commit suicide, you realize that unless the police station is one minute from the school (which I doubt), the response was pretty quick.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainster</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/15/the-conspiracists-tackle-newtown/#comment-503837</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Neither right nor left is immune to these conspiracy theorists; I’d be hard-pressed to say which side has less and which more, but both have plenty.&lt;/i&gt;

In general, government conspiracy theories are more popular with the right, and corporate conspiracy theories are more popular with the left.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Neither right nor left is immune to these conspiracy theorists; I’d be hard-pressed to say which side has less and which more, but both have plenty.</i></p>
<p>In general, government conspiracy theories are more popular with the right, and corporate conspiracy theories are more popular with the left.</p>
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