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	<title>Comments on: How are Obama&#8217;s gun control proposals a logical response to Sandy Hook?</title>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/16/how-are-obamas-gun-control-proposals-a-logical-response-to-sandy-hook/#comment-506430</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only way to prevent such things is to have on site first responders, like the teachers/students, and just basically kill the gunman or gunmen. It&#039;s not impossible, and it&#039;s definitely feasible given how many risks the gunman took in this particular scenario.

In some ways, it was pretty easy, but only one person knew how to use the tool of violence and had that tool ready, Adam.

Nobody else knew. Or if they did, they left their tools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way to prevent such things is to have on site first responders, like the teachers/students, and just basically kill the gunman or gunmen. It&#8217;s not impossible, and it&#8217;s definitely feasible given how many risks the gunman took in this particular scenario.</p>
<p>In some ways, it was pretty easy, but only one person knew how to use the tool of violence and had that tool ready, Adam.</p>
<p>Nobody else knew. Or if they did, they left their tools.</p>
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		<title>By: Ymarsakar</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/16/how-are-obamas-gun-control-proposals-a-logical-response-to-sandy-hook/#comment-506429</link>
		<dc:creator>Ymarsakar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 06:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s somewhat hard to piece out what their real intentions are. But if I would have to guess, it would be namely to use the Eos as a sort of door knocker. A way to get funding secreted about the Executive Branch, without necessarily having to account for where the money is going. A new and improved Fast and Furious, where it can all be kept in house, because the money is being used for &quot;legitimate&quot; purposes. What they may be cooking up is interesting to think about. Arming the TSA and cloning them for &quot;schools&quot;? Using the registration list and having TSA/SEIU type goons go in with guns blazing? Set up a new department in the government to &quot;control&quot; guns?

The Left can do all kinds of stuff with enough funding and excuses to cover it up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s somewhat hard to piece out what their real intentions are. But if I would have to guess, it would be namely to use the Eos as a sort of door knocker. A way to get funding secreted about the Executive Branch, without necessarily having to account for where the money is going. A new and improved Fast and Furious, where it can all be kept in house, because the money is being used for &#8220;legitimate&#8221; purposes. What they may be cooking up is interesting to think about. Arming the TSA and cloning them for &#8220;schools&#8221;? Using the registration list and having TSA/SEIU type goons go in with guns blazing? Set up a new department in the government to &#8220;control&#8221; guns?</p>
<p>The Left can do all kinds of stuff with enough funding and excuses to cover it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Primitive Food Observationist</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/16/how-are-obamas-gun-control-proposals-a-logical-response-to-sandy-hook/#comment-506276</link>
		<dc:creator>Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Primitive Food Observationist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2013 01:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Neo, not buying it. That MAGICALLY appearing AR-15 is just ridiculous. HOW DO YOU MISS IT? It doesn&#039;t show up in ANY of the early reports, then, suddenly, out of nowhere, it appears and is the cause of all the problems. After just about the amount of time it would take to search the house, find the weapon, and take it to the scene.

Again: I would be LESS prone to believe this might be done PRIOR to the revelation of Fast And Furious. The notion that The One would NOT be involved in a conspiracy that promoted a gun ban seems to be incredibly naive. And, at the heart of it, this does not require a massive conspiracy of any kind to implement. One person sent to find the mother&#039;s (REGISTERED) Bushmaster, take it to the scene, &quot;find&quot; it, and the coroner who got up and claimed all the deaths were tied to the AR-15. A few more people to get their jobs threatened when they started to ask sensible questions.

We&#039;re not talking some massive army of individuals. A small number in on the whole thing, and some more cowed into keeping their questions to themselves. That&#039;s not an impossible conspiracy to keep, especially when the lapdog media have no interest in any of the questions that true &quot;investigative reporting&quot; would entail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Neo, not buying it. That MAGICALLY appearing AR-15 is just ridiculous. HOW DO YOU MISS IT? It doesn&#8217;t show up in ANY of the early reports, then, suddenly, out of nowhere, it appears and is the cause of all the problems. After just about the amount of time it would take to search the house, find the weapon, and take it to the scene.</p>
<p>Again: I would be LESS prone to believe this might be done PRIOR to the revelation of Fast And Furious. The notion that The One would NOT be involved in a conspiracy that promoted a gun ban seems to be incredibly naive. And, at the heart of it, this does not require a massive conspiracy of any kind to implement. One person sent to find the mother&#8217;s (REGISTERED) Bushmaster, take it to the scene, &#8220;find&#8221; it, and the coroner who got up and claimed all the deaths were tied to the AR-15. A few more people to get their jobs threatened when they started to ask sensible questions.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not talking some massive army of individuals. A small number in on the whole thing, and some more cowed into keeping their questions to themselves. That&#8217;s not an impossible conspiracy to keep, especially when the lapdog media have no interest in any of the questions that true &#8220;investigative reporting&#8221; would entail.</p>
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		<title>By: Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Gender Bïgǒt</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/16/how-are-obamas-gun-control-proposals-a-logical-response-to-sandy-hook/#comment-505870</link>
		<dc:creator>Smock Puppet, 10th Dan Snark Master and Gender Bïgǒt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[}}} because the real goal is not preventing the rare mass shootings that get all the attention but curtailing more common forms of gun violence. 

Except they don&#039;t, a point made in a recent WSJ editorial by a DC Prosecuting Attorney:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324081704578235460300469292.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_opinion

Money Quote:
Violent crime increased after the law was enacted, with homicides rising, from 188 in 1976 when the ban started, to 369 in 1988. By 1993, annual homicides had reached 454.&quot;

I believe this is counter to the trend in the nation, mind you. All violent crime, including homicides, have been steadily decreasing in a per capita sense since about 1980 or earlier.

}}} I have no problem with background checks

I do, as they are done.

Background checks should be handled as a driver&#039;s license is. You should apply for it, get cleared, and then, if you&#039;re buying a gun, it should be presented and verified that no changes have taken place that would prevent you from obtaining a weapon.

Current &quot;background checks&quot; are handed WITH the gun information, which &quot;of course&quot; is being &quot;erased and not kept&quot;. Ahhh, YEAH. I&#039;ll buy that. I&#039;ll buy some land, too? Want to sell me some? I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll give me a fair deal. I trust everyone to do that. 

As-is, background checks are defacto registration. And that&#039;s just a waypoint on the path to confiscation. At this point, with private sales, if they come snooping around, you can say &quot;I sold that gun&quot;. And there&#039;s nothing they can do. With private sales being banned without checks, there is no way you can make that claim without admitting &quot;a crime was committed&quot;, and getting arrested. And, no doubt, in short order they&#039;ll add a law revoking your ability to own or buy a gun if you&#039;ve ever sold one without the government&#039;s little fat fingers in the sale.

So, no, I REJECT, categorically and vehemently -- &lt;i&gt;with supreme prejudice&lt;/i&gt; -- the government&#039;s &lt;strike&gt;right&lt;/strike&gt; POWER to supervise private transactions in this manner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} because the real goal is not preventing the rare mass shootings that get all the attention but curtailing more common forms of gun violence. </p>
<p>Except they don&#8217;t, a point made in a recent WSJ editorial by a DC Prosecuting Attorney:</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324081704578235460300469292.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_opinion" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324081704578235460300469292.html?mod=WSJ_hps_sections_opinion</a></p>
<p>Money Quote:<br />
Violent crime increased after the law was enacted, with homicides rising, from 188 in 1976 when the ban started, to 369 in 1988. By 1993, annual homicides had reached 454.&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe this is counter to the trend in the nation, mind you. All violent crime, including homicides, have been steadily decreasing in a per capita sense since about 1980 or earlier.</p>
<p>}}} I have no problem with background checks</p>
<p>I do, as they are done.</p>
<p>Background checks should be handled as a driver&#8217;s license is. You should apply for it, get cleared, and then, if you&#8217;re buying a gun, it should be presented and verified that no changes have taken place that would prevent you from obtaining a weapon.</p>
<p>Current &#8220;background checks&#8221; are handed WITH the gun information, which &#8220;of course&#8221; is being &#8220;erased and not kept&#8221;. Ahhh, YEAH. I&#8217;ll buy that. I&#8217;ll buy some land, too? Want to sell me some? I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll give me a fair deal. I trust everyone to do that. </p>
<p>As-is, background checks are defacto registration. And that&#8217;s just a waypoint on the path to confiscation. At this point, with private sales, if they come snooping around, you can say &#8220;I sold that gun&#8221;. And there&#8217;s nothing they can do. With private sales being banned without checks, there is no way you can make that claim without admitting &#8220;a crime was committed&#8221;, and getting arrested. And, no doubt, in short order they&#8217;ll add a law revoking your ability to own or buy a gun if you&#8217;ve ever sold one without the government&#8217;s little fat fingers in the sale.</p>
<p>So, no, I REJECT, categorically and vehemently &#8212; <i>with supreme prejudice</i> &#8212; the government&#8217;s <strike>right</strike> POWER to supervise private transactions in this manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don,
I suspect that is the way most of us are.  Thus a pistol with seventeen rounds is more practical than one with seven rounds when there are no more magazines available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,<br />
I suspect that is the way most of us are.  Thus a pistol with seventeen rounds is more practical than one with seven rounds when there are no more magazines available.</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Les,

I normally rely upon a pistol for home defense, with a flashlight and several spare mags. Alas, I don&#039;t sleep wearing web gear or an ammo belt, so if I expend the ammo in the pistol I would have to go back to where I keep it in the bedroom to reload. I only have two hands, and also have the pistol and flashlight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Les,</p>
<p>I normally rely upon a pistol for home defense, with a flashlight and several spare mags. Alas, I don&#8217;t sleep wearing web gear or an ammo belt, so if I expend the ammo in the pistol I would have to go back to where I keep it in the bedroom to reload. I only have two hands, and also have the pistol and flashlight.</p>
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		<title>By: DonS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard,

He might have wanted to reload so he was fully loaded for his next bunch of victims. 

But then, none of us really know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>He might have wanted to reload so he was fully loaded for his next bunch of victims. </p>
<p>But then, none of us really know.</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
		<link>http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/16/how-are-obamas-gun-control-proposals-a-logical-response-to-sandy-hook/#comment-505060</link>
		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Highest practical capacity magazines are needed by citizens and police in defensive situations because, in contrast with the active shooter goblin who has planned for days, weeks or years (Gun free zone island in Norway), all the ammo the usually caught-by- surprise citizen has is that which is already in the weapon.  The officer responding to active shooter at a school should grab extra mags for their rifle on the way in, but may not, under the stress of the moment.  A citizen should have extra magazines on them when their house is invaded, but will usually have nothing but their defensive weapon, and maybe a flashlight.  Not tactically optimum but that&#039;s the way it is; you can&#039;t reload rapidly if you don&#039;t have any more magazines on you.  Multiple home invaders aren&#039;t going to give you time to retrieve more from where-ever they are kept.  The bad guys will arrive well supplied, depending on who they are.
Low capacity magazines won&#039;t satiate the socialists, to them it is just a step in the right direction.  Registration, confiscation, genocide.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Highest practical capacity magazines are needed by citizens and police in defensive situations because, in contrast with the active shooter goblin who has planned for days, weeks or years (Gun free zone island in Norway), all the ammo the usually caught-by- surprise citizen has is that which is already in the weapon.  The officer responding to active shooter at a school should grab extra mags for their rifle on the way in, but may not, under the stress of the moment.  A citizen should have extra magazines on them when their house is invaded, but will usually have nothing but their defensive weapon, and maybe a flashlight.  Not tactically optimum but that&#8217;s the way it is; you can&#8217;t reload rapidly if you don&#8217;t have any more magazines on you.  Multiple home invaders aren&#8217;t going to give you time to retrieve more from where-ever they are kept.  The bad guys will arrive well supplied, depending on who they are.<br />
Low capacity magazines won&#8217;t satiate the socialists, to them it is just a step in the right direction.  Registration, confiscation, genocide.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Aubrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Aubrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 23:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don.
If he wasn&#039;t under fire, there was no reason for the tactical reload except he&#039;d learned it someplace and didn&#039;t know it wasn&#039;t necessary in the school.  Might be a function of autism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don.<br />
If he wasn&#8217;t under fire, there was no reason for the tactical reload except he&#8217;d learned it someplace and didn&#8217;t know it wasn&#8217;t necessary in the school.  Might be a function of autism.</p>
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		<title>By: leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neo-neocon, I apologize for the tardy reply.  Thank you for answering my question upthread.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo-neocon, I apologize for the tardy reply.  Thank you for answering my question upthread.</p>
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