February 18th, 2013

Please…

read this.

And then could someone tell me why Fox’s show “Red Eye” is on at 3 A.M. instead of prime time?

And don’t tell me that the sort of problem described at the link is just a drop in the bucket and we need to do something about education, movies, etc.. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

And please don’t tell me it’s because it’s called “Red Eye,” either. Change the time and change the name.

And this comment at this post at Ace’s is spot on:

Always been a source of frustration for me, that counterarguments to bumper sticker slogans often require no little effort in setting up, let alone explain.

“Visualize World Peace” should be easy to discredit, but it takes lengthy dissertations regarding human history, anthropology, psychology to even get to the point where you can begin to nullify this stultifying catchphrase.

Had an English teacher tell me just how powerful (for better or for worse) bumper stickers can be: Have you ever seen a car with a 5000 word essay taped to the bumper?

30 Responses to “Please…”

  1. vanderleun Says:

    Lots of us knøw how to do these things. Hell, I know how to do them and I know how to assemble a team, several teams, to do the same. The real fact is not a lack of talent but the odd and persistant fact that there is simply no funding for this. Not even a smidgen of the amounts that the left raises.

  2. njartist49 Says:

    “Red Eye” at 3 a.m. could be changed to “Where’s Obama” at 3 a.m.

  3. carl in atlanta Says:

    Speaking of bumper stickers, my wife and I had bought a brand new car during the summer of 2008 and were sporting an innocuous, official GOP McCain/Palin bumper sticker on it. At some point during that October it was ripped off and two body panels on her car were deeply “keyed”. This happened while she was parked at the mall.

    We’ve also had yarn signs stolen.

    My former partner (an avowed leftist) used to go into book stores looking for displays by or about conservatives and would turn display signs around and place displayed books in the “face down” position or even hide them from view, all in order to suppress sales.

    Lesson learned: Lefties don’t like the expression of opposing views and they will not hesitate to suppress it when they see or hear it. If they think they can get away with using violent and destructive means, they’ll use those means as well.

    Gutfield is probably better off (and physically safer) being on at 3:00AM.

  4. John Dough Says:

    “Red Eye” is on at Midnight here in the Pacific Time Zone. Monday Night Football starts at 6 PM. (you can get to bed at your regular time). There are benefits to not living in the Eastern Time zone

  5. George Pal Says:

    FOX will not hand over prime, or even select, time to Red Eye because it would cut into election, election strategizing, and candidate, analysis/evaluations, and most importantly cut into O’Reilly’s, and Hannity’s daily lamentations. And joy-joy, they’ve hired Herman Cain to liven things up. FOX News has become every bit the problem Conservative Inc. is.

    Dump O’Reilly, Hannity, Van Susteren, and put on Red Eye instead.

  6. Ann Says:

    This makes me think of Israel and its struggle against the pro-Palestinian bias in much of mainstream media today.

    Not sure, but it seems to me they’ve decided not to engage routinely on the soundbite level, but to push back hard and loud each and every time a big lie is put forth.

    Could be that’s the main way to go for conservatives, as well, because at this point, it may be impossible to break the lock liberals have on the hearts and minds of low-information types.

    Can’t hurt to operate on both fronts, though.

  7. KLSmith Says:

    I somewhat disagree with the commenter to Ace’s post. I get his point that arguments from the right are more intellectually demanding, but he’s talking about Bumper Stickers.
    “Visualize World Peace” – try “Visualize Whirled Peas” instead. Mock them. It’s past time to go Alinsky against the Left.
    And even beyond the bumper sticker level, not all counter arguments have to be lengthy and complicated. Unfortunately, most people just don’t want to stray too far from the rest of the heard.

    P.S. :
    Ace has a terrific blog and I realize he’s trying to be self-deprecating, and I know I’m getting old, …… but I could easily be spared his reference to self-abuse (in the first paragraph, no less). I’m probably not his target audience, though. It doesn’t shock or disgust me at all. I just think it detracts from his message. He’s a smart guy with good insights; and, remarks on his masturbatory habits juvenalize what he has to say.

  8. neo-neocon Says:

    KLSmith: well, Ace and I have a different—shall we say—style as regards personal revelations on the blog.

    But he is indeed very very smart and often very very funny as well.

  9. I R A Darth Aggie Says:

    “Visualize World Peace”

    Ok, I visualized world peace. How does that actually bring about world peace?

  10. parker Says:

    njartist49,

    Were was he at 5pm and the next 7-8 hours?

    4 dead in Benghazi and F&F; do not stop demanding our elected overlords find the answers. If nothing else, it will annoy their staffs to no end.

  11. reticent Says:

    I R A Darth Aggie:

    It’s easy to make fun of the left for this kind of stuff, but given all the hand-wringing recently about the lock that the media and popular culture have over the way the average voter conceptualizes the world, I contend that we have a lot to learn here.

    The fact that, for instance, U.S. presidents in TV shows and movies since about the mid-Sixties have almost always been black or female (unless the president happens to be the bad guy or the leading star, in which case, they are white male) seems to have conditioned the mass public for the election of Obama. That he may be inexperienced and feckless is of little concern since black presidents in television and films are almost never the leading stars, nor the loci of the action.

    I used to shake my head over this sort of blatant Hollywood hypocrisy, but I’m not laughing anymore.

  12. John Says:

    I agree that Red Eye needs a better time slot. It’s on at 1 a.m. in the Mountain Time Zone, so I still watch it pretty regularly, but 3 a.m. is a pretty tall order for East Coast viewers. It doesn’t necessarily have to air in prime time. Airing it immediately after Greta would have it air at 11 p.m. in the East (and it could always be delayed to air at the same time in the West), which is the same time that The Daily Show with Jon Stewart airs. I think that would be a good move. I also think Fox should have every episode available online (as The Daily Show does).

  13. neo-neocon Says:

    John: that makes sense. I wonder if there’s any way to reach Fox with the suggestion and actually make them pay attention.

  14. Occam's Beard Says:

    Ok, I visualized world peace. How does that actually bring about world peace?

    Your visualizing world peace didn’t take, because I was visualizing world war. Offsetting penalties, and all that.

    Sorry.

  15. Thomass Says:

    I R A Darth Aggie Says:
    February 18th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
    “Visualize World Peace”

    Thanks for reminding me. I wanted to go to cafe press and make some bumper stickers mocking bumper sticker thinking…

  16. parker Says:

    “… I was visualizing world war. Offsetting penalties, and all that.”

    How else to distract the sheep and gin up the economy? If/when it begins they will require our granddaughters to register with the Selective Service.

  17. thomass Says:

    Ok guys; my first agitpop attempt.

    http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product.aspx?number=789955832

  18. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    At the website neo linked to, the poster Jacobson stated; “And therein I learned what millions of very low-information young liberals already knew — there is this website called Upworthy which is one [a] giant liberal activist social media machine which creates viral social media memes in the cause of liberal political activism.”

    He also informed us that, “The Elizabeth Warren post at Upworthy is a prime example of how low information is combined with a political agenda to create a meme which is based on a lack of understanding, but very, very catchy.”

    This is an example of just what David Horowitz was speaking of in the article Neo linked to in a recent post.

    Warren’s attack is predicated on the premise that no one on Wall Street is reputable and trustworthy and that neither are the government regulatory agencies…

    All of this is part of a campaign by Warren and her ilk to falsely discredit Capitalism itself. They don’t want honest regulation, they want to discard capitalism and replace it with a communistic system. And they are willing to lie to do it.

    They are using a variety of means to incrementally convince the public that capitalism is an irredeemable evil that must be overthrown.

  19. KLSmith Says:

    thomass: I like it.

  20. Ymarsakar Says:

    People don’t want to fight the Left because the Left scares them. Social media is another way of saying social bullying and black listing. Fight the Left too much in the open and they tend to land on you like a bunch of counter insurgency death squads.

  21. Thomass Says:

    Ymarsakar Says:

    “People don’t want to fight the Left because the Left scares them.”

    Its true just most of us don’t think about it. I’ve been telling friends that IF I get onto facebook it will be with a mask on and a fake a name… then again, maybe now I’ll do just that.

  22. Ymarsakar Says:

    Facebook is already a tool for gathering information that the government is not allowed by law to gather. The servers that store the info, strangely, also don’t delete the data such as pictures. All the feds have to do is to nationalize FB. Ooo, nationalization, that’ll never happen though right, that’s just some right wing fantasy and fear mongering. like they did GM.

    “We don’t negotiate with terrorists”. Then why has Americans compromised with the Left whenever they brought out the SEIU and Black Panther mobs, giving Jesse Jackson and Rainbow thieves all the money they could print? Rich families don’t like thugs hanging around them that are immune from prosecution, so they pay them off. The crims then use the money to control more territory.

    The thing is, all of this is more or less verbal violence and intimidation. It wouldn’t matter as much in a war that reaped real lives, not just assassinated people’s sanity and character.

    The Left would not fare very well against us when the killers go active and unrestrained by the presence of law or mercy. I’m sure Bill Ayers will be interested in a presentation of how to build a real bomb that detonates accurately, at his house.

  23. Thomass Says:

    Round 2
    http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&number=790040315

  24. CV Says:

    For those who can’t watch at 3 am (or don’t care to DVR) Gutfeld is a regular on The Five, which airs on Fox at (yes) 5 pm weekdays. By all accounts it’s doing great in the ratings.

    It’s a fun show..lively and not-too-serious discussion about the news, politics and pop culture among mostly conservatives (like regular Dana Perino) and a token liberal panelist (usually Bob Beckle).

    I think of it as The View with smart people :-)

    Unrelated…I hope and pray that someone on the GOP side learned from being completely and utterly trounced by the Obama campaign’s sophisticated data-mining, social media effort, and get-out-the-vote ground game in 2012. Conservatives have no excuse for not planning to match that battle plan in 2016.

  25. Baltimoron Says:

    Republicans have a strange way of relating to the media. So many of us like being able to sit back and say everything that goes wrong in the world can be blamed on the great and powerful MSM. It gives us a simple (simplistic?) way to view the world and absolves us of any responsibility to… you know… do something.

    We like complaining about the MSM so much that we’ve kept it up even though today’s “mainstream” media are just a bunch of hacks chasing after stories and ideas they find alternative websites like the one featured in this article; websites that Republicans could have created if they hadn’t been so busy complaining about the liberal bias in Newsweek.

    There are lots of things we can do to get our message out there (and yes, moving Red Eye would be a great start), but I don’t think it will happen because most Republicans are just temperamentally unsuited for it.

    By the way, the comment from Ace’s sight reminds me of arguments I heard from liberals after the 2010 midterm. People love to rationalize a bad election by saying their ideas are just too darn sophisticated for the average voter.

  26. G Joubert Says:

    Why doesn’t Fox do a lot of things? For instance, Murdoch owns both Fox News AND Fox Entertainment, the TV network that competes head-to-head with CBS, NBC, and ABC, and frequently beats them ratings-wise in their entertainment programming.

    So why doesn’t Fox Entertainment have any news programming at all? Why do they not put at least some of their Fox News stuff such as O’Reilly on Fox Entertainment too, to compete with those networks during the evening newshour? Likewise Red Eye?

  27. Thomass Says:

    I think most countries list the social services they offer on their websites (I know; I’ve been looking at them since the election). Although they usually do so with a Drudge-like juxtaposition of how hard it is to get their citizenship (sort of an explanation why they can’t give it to just anyone… re: since you might be expensive to them). Anyway; I guess whether it is a issue or not is in the presentation… plus the left won’t allow us to have standards on who to pick to give citizenship to since they see it as their interest to take anyone.

  28. Ann Says:

    The Simpsons, a Fox-produced program, which has been on the air since 1989 (!) and which has most likely been a huge influence on the cultural and political thinking of those under the age of 50, used to routinely ridicule Fox News.

    So, just how are you going to get a generation that’s been schooled to think the network is a joke, or worse, to even watch it, let alone become fans of Greg Gutfeld?

  29. Thomass Says:

    one more
    http://www.cafepress.com/cp/customize/product2.aspx?from=CustomDesigner&number=790383184

    done

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