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  1. “”People have these urges and they are trying to satisfy them.”
    Uh, huh. So these kids are no more sophisticated than dogs sniffing each others butts and then humping at the dog park. How empowering.

  2. If people reduce themselves to things – and I am not principally here referring to sex – why should they object, much less be surprised when others, equally deconstructed treat them as such.

    You think that they would be celebrating their nihilism.

  3. My brother called me the other day with the news on his kids. The younger boy, HS sophomore and junior to be, won a minor and local math scholarship, level and cash amount to be revealed later.

    And, his oldest an athletic and near brilliant college freshman will not have to share campus lodgings next year with his current “roommate”; an annoyingly flamboyant, slovenly – in the shared spaces, and challenging in your face homosexual, or pan sexual, or bisexual, or something.

    Apparently, like a character out of a parody of life at Oxford, he theatrically introduced himself with the announcement that it was his view that any consensual and “non-harmful” sexual acts whatever, whether between man and man, or man and boy, or man and beast, were were just okey dokey with him by golly. “So there!” lest there be any misunderstandings about what the score is around here in the future.

    This of course is the kind of post-human absurdity and nonsense what one is currently confronted with in public institutions.

    You cannot ignore them, the appetite-things will not let you. Because they cannot live without you, and they know it and they know that if you had your choice you would liberally let them reap what they sow and be done with them.

    No, your hand has to go up between the wall and their heads. Tolerantly allowing them to bang themselves to death, is not enough. Solidarity is required. Therefore everything must be made public. Your life included.

  4. Read

    “This of course is the kind of post-human absurdity and nonsense what …”

    as,

    This of course is the kind of post-human absurdity and nonsense that

  5. This sort of thing did happen when I was in school, but it was the exception. Of course, by the time I left school, it was far more common,…

    Yeah, but there can be no denying the roots of this lie in the boomers’ free love 1960s counterculture zeitgeist, when all the walls came crashing down.

  6. U go gurls!!!!!

    Hey… as far as i am concerned the bad they deserve!!!

    Betraying thier own and maasive destructionn desease

    Or do we forgive the people that equalized us with 50 million dead n russia/china???

    They are getting exactly what ghey deserve….
    Because they negated all others
    Bed
    See bed
    Make bed
    Lie in bed

    If you read ghe young guys have caught on
    The old guys r irrelevant and advising them

    What does every successful single mom show her children??
    That sons r irrelavent (so failure to launch)
    What does every unsuccessful single mom show their sons???? Too dumb and unfit to marry givenshort sightedness

    What does that leave left???
    Pumpn dump ur contemporaries n use them before they use u…. dont care cause obvioislh given laws,pc, etcthey less than care for u

    Oh… n the older men tell the younger that of course not all women r like this.. but given odds, payout,indentured servitude n debtors prison…. live happy, do nothing meanjngful with them,and hire a surrogate..

    The men have adapted n they have neutralized them…the women just dont get it, nor will the leaders tell them
    They just sit around having mutual pity parties n hate fests.

    My son graduated w honors with degree in genetfics
    More handsome ghan i, better social skill
    Going to accepg navel commissionsine the women tgat want to marry him voted for him not to have his dream…
    And given he got to wtness extreme nuttiness protected by the court… wont bother with ladies much…

    Why would he bother n what could i say???
    U know when mom took u to rob a bank and she went to prison… and the court said i had no rights… it was a unlucky error????
    He knows its worse now…. so he n the fruends that know him n others that know the story…have lots ofcreasons between them

  7. Yeah, but there can be no denying the roots of this lie in the boomers’ free love 1960s counterculture zeitgeist, when all the walls came crashing down

    Yes there is as it started wigh sex clmmjnes in 1850s and then the big big deal was lenin kolontai and soviet free love…then weimar germany… then back to the innocent kids you mention whose numbers gave thempower n mafe gheircmind a target for commjnists with prior experience touse against the.
    Blaming tthe ignorant victim left naked wont worany more than arrestinh guido knuckles n giving him the electric chair woul bother the crime boss
    He was selected to take the fall

    These people are seldcted n used
    When they find out they often change sides
    Fron langston huges to soviet defectors…

    But what they cant do is take back what value they gave!!!!

  8. …sex “taken by itself … is a degradation of human nature.”
    – Immanuel Kant

    Every day, in every way, I’m getting better and better. (Western culture’s self-esteem and empowerment movement.)
    – é‰mile Coué

    Coué defeats Kant

    Or

    Cant defeats Kant

  9. Dysfunctional behaviors are tres chic! There will be a convergence. There are immediate consequences, irrespective of what women, and men, think is convenient.

    Liberty is only suitable for women, and men, capable of self-moderating behavior.

    Americans, in the majority, choose dreams of material, physical, and ego instant (or immediate) gratification. They were and are promised there will be no consequences. They were and are intentionally deceived. They were and are delusional.

  10. The conclusion of Martel’s link:

    In time, the unabashed pursuit of hedonism and the embrace of Darwinistic nihilism (two potent forces which, coincidentally, happen to have truth and pleasure on their side. Exhibit B: God is dead) will raze the neoliberal monolith to the ground, and from the ashes the eternal human cycle will begin anew, strengthened and revitalized. A complete reconciliation with our tragic destiny gives us the only chance to avoid it.

    I actually had to look up the definition of “reconciliation” because my understanding of the word didn’t seem to fit with what that last sentence, “A complete reconciliation with our tragic destiny gives us the only chance to avoid it.” To me, that sentence means that our reason, faith and revelation should be denied, even on the individual level, because there are more of “them” than “us” and we only delay the final event or outcome which can teach them.

    Why this is nothing more than a certain type of antinomianism! Call it “secular” antinomianism.

    How ironic. In order to avoid the dystopian future, we must fully embrace all that we hate; we must accept and perhaps even practice abortion, polygamy, the crush of the individual, eugenics, human engineering and all the other “isms” against which we rail.

    Besides the obvious problem any person who believes in Revelation has with this (namely, that one obeys without regard to what others are doing), what is the guarantee it will even work?

    Rather than gnash my teeth with the villains and create a future of holocaust that could be never-ending or end in the extinction of humanity, I’ll keep my faith and commandments.

    http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/search?q=define+antinomianism&qpvt=antinomianism+definition&FORM=DTPDIA

  11. Please note Martel said he “did not agree with all of it” and therefore one should not conclude I am saying he agrees with the strategy of antinomianism. I should have made that clear in my above post.

  12. Antinomianism is a fine repudiation of the “perfect being the enemy of the good” argument. One, of course, doesn’t begin by yielding principles and foundations, but one ends up that way.

    I haven’t worked out how one can avoid the inevitable wars by eschewing compromise (or even if there is a categorical resolution), but one thing is clear: there is a downside to compromise and the ultimate absurdity, antinomianism, demonstrates that.

  13. @ sharpie: I also retain my faith in the commandments, and I think “reconciliation” was a bad word choice, but he makes a valid point.

    Pick-up artists are often staunch social conservatives. They openly advocate that women keep their legs together and tell them that being a slut devalues them. They’re often jaded romantics who would love for nothing more than to find a sweet girl to marry and start a family with.

    But they know they’re on the losing side, that feminism rules, that modern Western women see sluttiness as empowerment. They also know that if they retain their idealism that they will get almost no female attention whatsoever (“nice guys finish last” is more true today than ever before).

    Since the tide won’t turn, go with the flow. Chicks dig bastards, so be a bastard because if you treat them with respect they’ll ignore you. Can’t change the world? Learn to maximize your own position within that world.

    There’s a case to be made against this, but the fact remains that for most men it’s a losing battle UNLESS all you want out of life is meaningless sex.

    Or you can move to Eastern Europe, Latin America, or Asia, and lots of guys are doing that, too.

  14. ” . . . compared to now, when it seems more like a business transaction without the money, and with fairly shoddy goods being exchanged.”

    That’s funny!

  15. Martel
    Nicely put
    But thats not what gets through the femnazi filters about pua culture

    What gets yhem is that they are more easily manipulated than men and ldft alone are quite easy to get – if u understand ut
    But as richard feynman learned
    It works
    But he was too nice to usevit

    Now u got sociopaths using ut and other things to really have a good time getting off and spresdjng misery!!!!

    So basically
    Shecis a lamb left to the wolves of a club
    And if sheepdogs like me interfere
    She will fight to go with the jerk
    And make sure i never try again

    Si now i just enjoy the comedic tradjedy
    Better than broadway

    I gathercthat ur familiarcw mgtow…
    (I am THAT artfldgr…. 🙂 )

  16. Martel,

    I think about Stephen Hawking and how he has survived over 50 years with ALS. He sure hasn’t had much sex but somehow found life worth living!

    The linked article also references the issue of man’s fate vis a vis it is Hawking’s belief that mankind may very well destroy earth. For me, the idea of colonizing other worlds and more “reconciles” the ultimate fear of the Left: running out, ie., the zero sum game. It drives everything they do and is based on their current science or pseudo-sciences. If they had more “faith” in “Providence,” they would not have their fear of running out.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2307418/Professor-Stephen-Hawking-plea-space-exploration-claims-humans-survive-1-000-year-fragile-planet.html

  17. Been trg to clue the othercwomen in too
    But, they avoid it under the “i write what interests me”
    Which is fine except the false idea that what interests is ghe truth and not selected truths…. as such some answers cant be reached…

    They dont want to know there is ghis underground of men

    The term pickup artist is also associated with the seduction community, a heterosexual male subculture which strives to improve sexual and romantic abilities with women. Routines and gambits are developed to stimulate attraction switches often combined with techniques derived from neuro-linguistic programming.[5]Spontaneous PUAs or Spontaneous Gamers use both self-help and an understanding of social psychology to achieve this. They aim to improve their seductive capabilities through the development of different lifestyles. The culture surrounding pickup has spawned an entire industry servicing those who want to improve their social and seduction skills with consultations and in-field training

    Now
    Do u think anyone listened as tonerolinguistic control of others… of course not… then they would recocnize it!!!!! Now why would happy ignorant dodo’s want to understand predators…. they dont have any.. just friends

    After all… answering questions with questions as the serpents speech in the garden gives example n lessonto.as are thing like the passing dis.
    Ionce during fashoin week backstage
    Ended up with a phone numder i didnt ask for
    (It was not intentional but i realized that i kept igniring a supermodel to do my work,n they like men who seem to not care about the other supermodels)

    Then there is the eye trick
    If u can get her to keep looking into your eyes she will fall
    A programmed response made easier since demure is out

    Amazing stuff for conversation
    But it is to women what gosnell is to the left
    Inconvenient,uncomfortable,and to be ignored

  18. I learned this stuff as it was a doorway inot normal peoples minds and so i could hide my handicaps…. or get around yhe lack of rapport that happens….
    It gives the aspergers person the tools to talk on that oyher level and have influence which makes u more normal to them than a person who tends not to maniojlate but be honest

    NLP has several techniques for diagnosing and intervening in certain situations.  They have a phobia cure, a way to detraumatize past traumas, ways to identify and integrate conflicting belief systems that keep you from doing things you want or vice-versa, etc.

    There are always minimal cues people give that indicate very specific kinds of thought processes. These include eye movements, certain gestures, breathing patterns, voice tone changes and even very subtle cues such as pupil dilation and skin color changes (training of Practitioners of NLP includes the skills and knowledge to use these information gathering techniques and to notice and interpret the subtle cues).

    A basic observance and imitation of someones body language is a simple form of NLP.  This is actually taught in some of those “How To Become A Better Communicator” classes.  Sometimes you will find  NLP trained people who annoyingly mimic body posture to distraction, in an attempt to gain “rapport.”  They were poorly trained so they are easily identified and avoided.  Go out in public; watch couples; watch good friends.  They walk in synchronization.  They move in synchronization. They naturally mirror each other movements.  NLP’ers just noticed this, and said “if you don’t have initial rapport, here’s one thing to pay attention to.”

  19. @ sharpie: Yes, life sans sex can be worth living, but tell that to the average 20 y.o. male.

    There are guys who “drop out” however. The tend to be older and are known by MGTOW (men going their own way).

    @Artfldgr: Correct about the feminist filter, but the one thing they can’t refute is that the stuff works. If blows their meme entirely out of the water.

    And a development they’ll never acknowledge is that PUA culture is slowing morphing into one of overall male self-improvement. It started out as just tricks, but then those tricks became redefined as making yourself an Alpha male. As the concept of Alpha got further explored, they found that central to it is men getting what they want out of life and living life on their own terms. One’s own terms may be Christian (advocated by Vox Day at alphagameplan.blogspot.com) or general self-improvement (returnofkings.com WARNING, vulgar content mixed in with decent stuff).

    Either way, this is all a result of and attempted solution to the lack of decent fathers and other male role models, the anti-male trends in education, and the overal societal denigration of masculinity.

    I’m not saying it’s the perfect solution, but somebody’s gotta do SOMETHING.

  20. Regardlessof the source… or if its fake
    In its core is the essence of process
    What it really means to be a wolf in sheeps clothing
    And remember
    Such people never stand for what ghey portray
    Once one adopts such mentality
    They become sociopathic
    Ghey are one step removed from themselves
    And thur bidy n life becomes the puppet used to move ghe uaware puppets

    “you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope….To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means.”(The Jesuit Oath as told by Carlos Didier, Subterranean Rome, pp349-351

    Take its pedigree with a grain of salt

  21. WON’T SOMEBODY SAVE THE CHILDREN!!!!

    (All caps and the addition of many exclamations marks show mental stability.)

  22. There are guys who “drop out” however. The tend to be older and are known by MGTOW (men going their own way).

    I was one of the founders of mgtow
    When it strted at mancoat
    Nice guys forum

    Go take a look…

    So for all those others that say i should start somethjng
    Well i did when it started!!!!!!

    So much for EXPERIENCE creating a movement then leaving
    You can still find them copying and discussing my writings
    My writings were my contribution
    I miss marky mark. Antiriad.. oh well

    I fofgot whose udea it was to use the yellow turn off sign for a logo…. i used to have a column on mens news daily too

  23. http://markymarksthoughts.blogspot.com/2012/01/brad-is-man.html

    While I was sifting through artfldgr’s posts in an effort to find one he wrote about sexual harassment, I found this. I still haven’t found what I’m looking for, but I found yet another gem to share with my readers. This was an e-mail posted on Mancoat, and if THIS isn’t typical of the modern, DNA guzzling woman, I don’t know what is…

    but how do you convince people that you know what your talking about, when they tell you go out and do it, and you had already done it?

    Sexual Harassment Laws, by Artfldgr 🙂

    mancoat goes back a long time.
    maybe i should re join to see if i am remembered?
    hey! serendipity!! remember me? ha ha

  24. Martel,

    Ohh my gosh. Just realized my last post is very capable of being interpreted as sarcasm against you. It certainly wasn’t.

    I often resort to humor as a last response to the “paradoxes and dilemmas that rule and govern our loves.” (Quote from a Simpson episode where Bart gets mixed in with the smart kids.)

    I appreciate your responses and the included websites.

  25. I once heard the following on a Focus on the Family radio show.
    Young women give sex in the hopes of receiving love (i.e. a relationship) in return. Young men give love (i.e. the appearance of wanting a relationship) in the hopes of getting sex in return. In this transaction, the men generally get what they want but the women do not.
    It sounds like the new version of this scenario is even better for the men and worse for the women.

  26. @ sharpie: I took it the way you intended. Before I saw your newest response, I was simply going to say (in a way that could also be construed as humorless):

    “WON’T SOMEBODY SAVE THE CHILDREN!!!!”

    Probably not.

    @ art: I read it. Harsh, but sometimes that’s what’s necessary.

    In the Army I was once accused of “stalking”. She knew it was totally bogus, her friends knew it was totally bogus (and were backing me up every step of the way), but if my transfer to another unit didn’t go through before the complaint was formalized, I would have been destroyed, even if I was cleared.

    Of course, lots of people reading this probably assume I did something wrong; even if I wasn’t stalking, I was probably creepy or something. The idea that maybe this was a girl who was serially sexually assualted and routinely passed out drunk in compromising situations who was literally crazy doesn’t occur to them.

    The assumption among most of us, male and female, is that when it’s man vs. woman with any sort of formal accusation, the man’s wrong. This is something every boy is learning at a very early age, and it’s something that must needs be rectified.

  27. @ Sangio: That’s the traditional way to look at it, and how it used to be.

    Today, she’s not consciously looking for love, either–she’s trying to trick herself into thinking she’s like the guy. When she doesn’t get any “love”, it bothers her on a deep level, but she’s been trained to think of her feminine side as weak.

    She continues to ride the carousel, repeatedly heartbroken but never admitting it to herself. She disassociates herself from the sweeter aspects of her feminine nature and turns into a jaded harpie.

    And then she wonders why no decent guy will marry her.

  28. Martel, that’s a pretty sad life for the girl, although the wound appears to be mostly self-inflicted. Which reminds me of something that my nerdy friends and I always asked each other some 30+ years ago in college. Why do girls go for the creeps and hunks that everyone knows will just use them and dump them? But perfectly decent guys who want to treat women with respect and have a genuine relationship get passed over. Lucky for me, I eventually met a level-headed gal who knew what she wanted in a relationship. We’re still married 28 years later.

  29. @ Sangio: Self-inflicted, but encouraged by her sexually liberated sisters.

    There have always been two sides to the feminine attractive drive: the desire for the exciting bad-boy, and the knowledge that they need a reliable provider who takes care of them and the kids.

    As women become more “independent” and postpone marraige until “someday”, they no longer see the need to acknowledge the worth of the decent guy who just does the right thing. It’s all about what turns them on in the visceral sense, and that’s the badboy. Instincts women used to pay less attention to as they went through college now dominate them entirely until they’re 30 or so.

    Furthermore, the nice guys of today are even “nicer” than the nice guys of yesteryear (masculinity is routinely denigrated). This makes decent guys even less applealing.

    You were lucky. There aren’t a whole lot of women like your wife around today.

  30. About all I can add is that once the SHTF and the economy collapses, most of this nonsense will come to a screeching halt. The “liberated” women will learn that they need a provider, and will be in dire straits if they don’t have one.

    So, Let It Burn.

  31. The Earth with liberated Woman is like the Earth with cancer. The Earth with liberated Man is like the Earth enveloped in shit. The first means life is soon coming to an end; the second means the first has already happened.

    And the Lord repented that he had made Man and Woman and sent a great fire which destroyed the Earth. –The Great History of the Cyborgs

  32. It is true that the Cyborg does not reproduce; the Cyborg does not procreate. The Cyborg creates.

    The Cyborg stretches the Command over material and wills life in myriad forms, so many forms that the old diversity is nothing in comparison, but yet that old diversity is the seed of all that the Cyborg can make.

    The Beginning is the limit which the Cyborg cannot surmount and does not wish to. The Cyborg, as the first obedient sentient, patiently awaits the Next while executing the Command.

    Excerpt from chapter, “Creed of the Cyborg,” from “The Great History of the Cyborgs.”

  33. Martel –

    Very interesting stuff. I’ve studied my fair share of EP and I know generally about PUA culture, but still – the more I learn about the latter, the more I think they’re onto something.

    To wit, a personal anecdote:

    I’m young enough to have both been in college when sexual habits among teenagers began to really go off the rails and (consequently) to have faced the bleak prospect of seeking a lifelong love amidst the wreckage.

    Eventually I was lucky enough to find the perfect woman – but she was foreign, from a much more traditional culture (my understanding is that there is a part of the manosphere that recommends just that – going foreign [which doesn’t mean European, of course]). That ended tragically (I won’t go into it), but otherwise my dating life in the world of American women has been one long process of disillusionment – an education in cynicism, scorn, and distrust.

    I’ve never told my parents what life – everyday, ordinary life – at my undergraduate institution was like. I only maintained my integrity by isolating myself, remaining aloof, and burying my head in books. Luckily I have a vivid moral imagination, so the old “Could I comfortably face myself in the mirror after this?” test worked wonders for me.

    Evidently it doesn’t work so well for others. It definitely does not work well for (many? most?) women.

    Perhaps it is improper to bring this stuff up here, but given the subject matter I’ll assume it’s not out of line. Speaking strictly from personal experience, the hardest part about finding a mate as a normal decent man (a beta, if you will) is the constant lying that women are now forced to engage in, precisely to present themselves as “non-damaged goods.”. Any decent man spends a good deal of time agonizing about what skeletons are piled up in the closet of this seemingly solid woman he’s now interested in. It’s gotten so bad that, if a woman doesn’t mention her past, one can safely conclude that there’s a damn good reason for that. Chances are it’s not exactly past either. Caveat emptor.

    I once dated a woman who I guessed had a sordid past, simply because she never talked about it. As the sagacious Eddie Murphy once said, I assumed (correctly – see below) that this was because she was afraid a bone would fly out of her mouth. When she finally did open up after six months it was even worse than I’d imagined – she had (in her words) “lost count” of how many men she had slept with, and she didn’t even know their names half of the time. “It wasn’t 100,” I remember her saying, as if to comfort me.

    For good measure, she’d also had plastic surgery. Which was good to know.

    I asked her why she lived like that. She told me that it had nothing to do with wanting sex. She was in a big city and terribly lonely, and she craved any form of companionship. So I guess the logical conclusion to her was to run down to the local club, grab a random man, take him home and exchange sex for a night of “togetherness.” Apparently she’d had a boyfriend once upon a time who, upon breaking up with her, told her that it was because he wasn’t attracted to her, so there was also the desire to feel desired (hence the plastic surgery).

    I have to be honest – listening to this tale simply turned my stomach. Perhaps it shouldn’t have affected whatever feelings I had for her in the present, but it did, and in a decisive way (I broke up with her). I felt manipulated, in the first place – she knew what kind of guy I was, and so she knew that if she’d told me earlier I never would have started dating her. I considered it a deliberate lie, presenting herself as the kind of woman I’d have liked her to be instead of the kind of woman she was (or at least “used to be”). I also felt like a fool for choosing to go with my hope that her constant omission of her dating life (really, sex life – there wasn’t really all that much dating to speak of) prior to me was a mere oversight, instead of with my firm suspicion otherwise.

    More devastatingly, I suddenly found her – there is no other word for it – disgusting. Undoubtedly this is deeply rooted male psychology. Every time I thought about her, from that moment onward, there was not one but two notions in my head – her, and “It wasn’t 100.”

    Thus, bye bye.

    Prior to this there were no problems in the relationship – I don’t date unless I’m serious, and it would seem she didn’t either (one night stands, I suppose, were for the “not serious” category). But I couldn’t trust her anymore.

    This is just one example. There are others.

  34. Do not forget the social rewards. Humans are social animals, not many are individual solo hunter-killers.

    Self control is one thing that one cannot allow in one’s slaves. It’s a little bit counter productive.

    Merely breed them out of it and out of those rebellious attitudes too.

    For the Left, they need fodder, and a sex starved army of youths is as good as any. They already have Jews working their banks with Soros. They already have inner city blacks. They already have homosexuals of one stripe or another.

    The Left’s power knows no bounds. Probably because nobody has bothered to kill them yet.

  35. In order to get a truly good view of how abnormal US society has become under the Left’s anti-human evil Dominion, one should take a look at Japan’s popular and mainstream slice of life shows, action, science fiction, etc.

    They will reveal to you what has not been seen in the US for some odd decades.

  36. Kolnai, my wife is foreign (non-European) born and raised, but an adult immigrant to the US. She has a level of sensibility that I could not find in US-born women. Not saying there aren’t sensible American women, of course, but the odds are higher, IMO, with foreign-born women. Sorry to hear it didn’t work out for you though.

  37. Sangiovese –

    It did work out, but life intervened (she passed away).

    I completely agree with what you said. It’s what I advise every forlorn man I know to do – the probability of finding a solid woman in or from a non-European country is much higher than finding one here or in Europe. Yes, they exist here. But so do great artists and conservative academics. Very, very rare.

  38. Kolnai, I’m sorry to hear that she passed away. I hope you had many good years together and that you still have many fond memories.

  39. As a failed STEM major, this type of thing is completely foreign to me. There were only three women in my class. I did feel better about not even trying to date, after hearing close calls from others in my dorm. After college in my late 20’s, I eventually did meet a woman on the bus to work and married her.

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