October 1st, 2013

The Muslim war on Christians escalates

And even Robert Fisk notices:

The Diab family can never return to Maaloula [Syria]. Not since the Christians of this beautiful and sacred town saw their Muslim neighbours leading the armed Nusrah Islamists to their homes. Georgios remembers how he peered over his balcony and saw Mohamed Diab and Ossama Diab and Yasser Diab and Hossam Diab and Khaled Turkik Qutaiman – all from Maaloula – walking in the street with men whom he said were dressed in Afghan-Pakistani clothes. “One of them had a Kalashnikov rifle in one hand and a sword in the other,” he says, shaking his head in disbelief.

Twenty years ago, identical tragedies destroyed the villages of Bosnia. Now they are being re-enacted in Syria. “We knew our Muslim neighbours all our lives,” Georgios says. He is a Catholic. “Yes, we knew the Diab family were quite radical, but we thought they would never betray us. We ate with them. We are one people.

“A few of the Diab family had left months ago and we guessed they were with the Nusra. But their wives and children were still here. We looked after them. Then, two days before the Nusra attacked, the families suddenly left the town. We didn’t know why. And then our neighbours led our enemies in among us.”

It is a story being repeated all too often over much of the Muslim world of the Middle East and Africa. As Robert Spencer writes (and it was his article that led me to the one by Fisk), “the call to jihad can override all existing loyalties.”

For those of you unfamiliar with Robert Fisk, see this. Fisk has long been an apologist for Muslim violence (even when perpetrated against himself), and so it’s especially puzzling—and potentially interesting—that in his article about Maaloula he seems to have recently abandoned that stance.

I wonder why. Not because I’m so very interested in Robert Fisk, but because I wonder whether this is a real change, and symptomatic of a dawning realization among more people than Fisk himself. Could it be that Muslim violence against Christians has reached a sort of critical mass, where more and more people are unable to deny its spread and the one-sided nature of its provocation?

24 Responses to “The Muslim war on Christians escalates”

  1. Richard Aubrey Says:

    Two issues:
    One is that complaining about persecuted Christians will bring, if one is Christian, comments about not having complained about other persecutions. Double standard, iow. Thing is, Christians frequently complain about other persecutions. It was countries birthed in and by the Judeo-Christian traditions that went to the Balkans, to Somalia, spending lives and treasure. But that doesn’t count.

    If the Christians persecuted by Muslims were, instead, hammered by an unseasonable blizzard, say, or an earthquake, that would be one thing, and we’d probably find plenty of concern.
    But concern for the present predicament means we have to think about the persecutors. Which is a no-no.
    It’s the same as a shooting in the ‘hood. “struck by bullets,” “shot”, etc. No reference to who was on the back end of the bullet. The possibility that some might be interested in that question is, imo, the primary reason for the low level of coverage of such shootings, and ditto for persecutions by…looks around carefully….Muslims.

    Discovered recently that, just before the Nairobi attack, something like nine or ten neighbors went to a concealed carry class. IOW, the Nairobi attack wasn’t a factor. In our area, about the only crime I can recall in the last twenty years was speeding. There was a murder in the nearest small town about ten years ago, by some guy from out of state.
    But there’s a feeling that…something is coming. Maybe here last, but we’re not always here, are we?

  2. Eric Says:

    Notice that Fisk doesn’t propose a solution, certainly not an international humanitarian solution. And where the Syrian government is mentioned, the tone is their the good guys.

    Ever since Obama ceded the international lead on Syria to Russia (and Iran), there seems to be a growing consensus from that part of the political spectrum to tacitly accept the Syrian and Russian narrative of the conflict and distance themselves from the ‘rebels’.

  3. Eric Says:

    * they’re the good guys.

  4. JuliB Says:

    I subscribe to (but only skim) Pamela Gellar’s Atlas Shrugged. I would like to read it all, but there’s no way I can handle it. The outright slaughter that occurs against Christians world-wide is too much for me to handle. The absolute silence of the media horrifies me.

  5. expat Says:

    Why, for instance, haven’t Hispanics and native Americans voiced outrage about the treatment of the Copts? And why aren’t African Americans denouncing their African brothers who just happen to be Muslim? American victim groups are the most provincial people in the whole world.

  6. Ymarsakar Says:

    And why aren’t African Americans denouncing their African brothers who just happen to be Muslim?

    Why would they do so when Black Power and the Nation of Islam that backs them, is predominantly Muslim?

  7. waltj Says:

    If Fisk, who has long been a suppurating carbuncle on the backside of humanity for his enthusiastic support of Arab/Islamic terrorists and utter hatred of Israel, is finally coming around, then I’ll count that as a hopeful sign. He needs to keep it up, though.

    Christians have lived in Syria since the time of Christ. Maaloula is home to one of the oldest existing churches on Earth. That may all come to an end if al-Nusra and its allies (including the US, I suppose) have their way. “Christians to Beirut, Alawites to the wall” is no idle threat.

  8. M J R Says:

    JuliB, 2:46 pm — “I subscribe to (but only skim) Pamela Gellar’s Atlas Shrugged. . . . The outright slaughter that occurs against Christians world-wide is too much for me to handle.”

    Ironically, and for what it’s worth, I am 99.9 percent sure that Pamela Gellar is Jewish (not Christian). She is a treasure.

  9. Beverly Says:

    Pamela is Jewish. She is excoriated for being too blunt in her assessment of the situation, but Cassandras have never been popular with the Ostrich Brigade.

    If you want to know how bad our situation is, read the book American Betrayal (recommended by Debra Burlingame, among others).

  10. JuliB Says:

    Ms. Geller has also rec’d the Purim ‘Queen Esther Award for Jewish Heroism’ this year. It was with glee that I was able to mention it in an assignment for a diocesan Scripture class I was taking, with an instructor who was left-ish.

  11. Ymarsakar Says:

    I always thought of Geller and Palin in the same line up.

    They were two minds of the same steel grade, so to speak. I knew I wouldn’t find their like on the battlefield very often.

  12. Mr. Frank Says:

    We backed the wrong side in Serbia.

  13. Mr. Frank Says:

    It’s hard to imagine that unlike during the Crusades any European Christians will want to help their Christian brothers who are being murdered by Muslims. Of course, one could argue that there are no Christians in western Europe.

  14. waltj Says:

    We backed the wrong side in Serbia.

    I’d say you’re partially right. Milosevic, Karadzic, Mladic, and their crowd were thugs who had more in common with mafia dons than with any sort of legitimate government. Tudjman wasn’t much better, but at least he knew when to tone it down and play ball. Under no circumstances should Western aid have ever gone to the jihadi-welcoming Muslim hypocrites from either Bosnia or from Kosovo.

  15. Ymarsakar Says:

    Milo was just a dictator that didn’t know how to bribe Democrats. He shares the same problem as Qaddafi and Syria’s dictator.

    When you don’t bribe Democrats in the US, the US tends to take you out of the equation.

  16. Trimegistus Says:

    Depicting Syrian Christians as victims is a stealth way of praising Assad. Because Russian client-dictators are always praiseworthy.

  17. Cornflour Says:

    Extinction of Christianity in the Middle East

    On this topic, I’d like to recommend a recent column by Ed West, for “The Spectator” blogs.

    Here’s one bit:

    “The night ended with historian Tom Holland declaring sadly that we are now seeing the extinction of Christianity and other minority faiths in the Middle East. As he pointed out, it’s the culmination of the long process that began in the Balkans in the late 19th century, reached its horrific European climax in 1939-1945, and continued with the Greeks of Alexandria, the Mizrahi Jews and most recently the Chaldo-Assyrian Christians of Iraq. The Copts may have the numbers to hold on, Holland said, and the Jews of Israel, but can anyone else?”

  18. IGotBupkis, "'Faeces Evenio', Mr. Holder?" Says:

    }}} …but because I wonder whether this is a real change, and symptomatic of a dawning realization among more people than Fisk himself. Could it be that Muslim violence against Christians has reached a sort of critical mass, where more and more people are unable to deny its spread and the one-sided nature of its provocation?

    Naw. This is a Churchill moment:

    Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.
    – Sir Winston Churchill —

    That Liberal Midnight Reset Button® just hasn’t kicked in and corrected things back to OALD™.

    For anyone that doesn’t know what I’m talking about there,

    The Liberal Midnight Reset Button®, explained

  19. artfldgr Says:

    “There is an atmosphere of intimidation at Lackland Air Force Base,” said Steve Branson, the pastor of Village Parkway Baptist Church in San Antonio. “Gay commanders and officers are pushing their agenda on the airmen. There is a culture of fear in the military and it’s gone to a new level with the issue of homosexuality.”

    at least 80 airmen attended a private meeting at the church where he heard them voice their concerns about religious hostilities at the Air Force base. …

    Among those at the church meeting was Senior Master Sgt. Phillip Monk. The 19-year veteran was punished after he refused to tell his lesbian commander his position on gay marriage.

    “All the guys who are active say they want to speak but they are still afraid because they see what happened to Phillip,” the pastor told me.

    “Guys who are good men are afraid to do anything because it will hurt them, cost them their career.”

    One airman was told that even thinking that homosexuality is a sin is discriminatory.

    The parent of a 19-year-old Christian airman said their son was directed to disclose his religion during Basic Training.

    “What’s your religion, little boy?” a master sergeant asked the young man. When he answered “Christian” he had to repeat Basic Training.

    One member of the military was written up for having his Bible out – while a Muslim was allowed to publicly display a prayer rug.

    A colonel told the pastor that officers are being ordered to publicly affirm and promote homosexuality.

  20. artfldgr Says:

    history repeats because we refuse to learn from it. yes?
    well, if no one will read about it, how it happend, even if someone recomends all the points one should look for, think it will repeat as they misjudge what they see the same way the ignorant of the first time were?

    how to cure their ignorance so that they do not do it again?

    you cant… i tried…
    even those that agreed didnt vacinnate

    Hitler and the Nazis had widespread support from traditional Christian communities, mainly due to a common cause against the anti-religious German communists. Once in power, the Nazis moved to consolidate their power over the German churches and bring them in line with Nazi ideals.

    Many historians say that Hitler had a general covert plan, which some say existed even before the Nazis’ rise to power, to destroy Christianity within the Reich, which was to be accomplished through control and subversion of the churches and to be completed after the war

    The Third Reich founded their own version of Christianity called Positive Christianity which made major changes in its interpretation of the Bible

    Dissenting Christians went underground and formed the Confessing Church, which was persecuted as a subversive group by the Nazi government.

    After the war ended, captured Nazi documents indicated that in the event of a Nazi victory against the United Kingdom, German authorities would have outlawed the Church of England and decimated its clergy.

    ☭BAMA code name: Renegade
    1580s, “apostate,” probably (with change of suffix) from Spanish renegado, originally “Christian turned Muslim,” from Medieval Latin renegatus, noun use of past participle of renegare “deny” (see renege). General sense of “turncoat” is from 1660s. The form renegate, directly from Medieval Latin, is attested in English from late 14c. As an adjective from 1705.

    • “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam.” – ☪Bama

    • “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer.” – ☪Bama

    • “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.” – ☪Bama

    • “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed” – ☪Bama

    • “We’ve seen those results in generations of Muslim immigrants – farmers and factory workers, helping to lay the railroads and build our cities, the Muslim innovators who helped build some of our highest skyscrapers and who helped unlock the secrets of our universe.” – ☪Bama

    ☪Bama should take a bow..
    wait! he already did to the Saud’s

  21. artfldgr Says:

    on another note:
    \
    Tom Clancy Dead: Celebrated Thriller Author Dies at Age 66

    may he rest in peace…

  22. expat Says:

    artflgdr,
    Thanks for the heads up on Tom Clancy. Shortly after I moved to Germany, I made a day trip to Zurich to explore. I saw Red October in one of the department stores and bought it for my husband as a Christmas gift. He devoured it and went on to be a great Clancy fan. It may have been the best spontaneous gift I have ever given anyone. RIP.

  23. artfldgr Says:

    red october actually is a variation on a story that actually happened..

    you can read it in red star rogue

    Early in 1968 a nuclear-armed Soviet submarine sank in the waters off Hawaii, hundreds of miles closer to American shores than it should have been. Compelling evidence, assembled here for the first time, strongly suggests that the sub, K-129, sank while attempting to fire a nuclear missile, most likely at the naval base at Pearl Harbor.

    We now know that the Russian’s had lost track of the sub; it had become a rogue. While the Soviets searched in vain for the boat, U.S. intelligence was quickly able to pinpoint the site of the disaster. The new Nixon administration launched a clandestine, half-billion-dollar project to recover the sunken K-129. Contrary to years of deliberately misleading reports, the recovery operation was a great success. With the recovery of the submarine, it became clear that the rogue was attempting to mimic a Chinese sub, almost certainly with the intention of provoking a war between the U.S. and China. This was a carefully planned operation that, had it succeeded, would have had devastating consequences. During the successful recovery effort of K-129, the U.S. forged new relationships with the USSR and China. Could the information gleaned from the sunken submarine have been a decisive factor shaping the new policies of détente between the Americans and the Soviets, and opening China to the West? And who in the USSR could have planned such a bold and potentially catastrophic operation?

    for the tin hatters..
    you may notice that at the same time, right after, hollywierd came up with a bunch of movies whose plot was russian submarines landing in the US…

    that way, if someone said anything about rogue, they would be made tin hatters for thinking that a movie was real.

    :)

  24. Tatterdemalian Says:

    Fisk isn’t coming around to anything. He’s always been a left-wing shill, and every statement he makes is carefully weighed to see how much support it provides, or damage it does, to the current leftist narrative. He must have decided that highlighting these betrayals will serve the narrative the best, or at least damage it the least, compared to giving anyone the impression that the USA might be able, let alone morally obligated, to do anything about the largest deployment of WMDs against a civilian population since Halabja.

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