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  1. You could add the merveilleuses and incroyables during the Directoire (the handful of years between the end of the French Revolution and the rise of Napoleon). “The Incroyables (“incredibles”) and their female counterparts, the Merveilleuses (“marvelous women”, roughly equivalent to “fabulous divas”), were members of a fashionable aristocratic subculture in Paris during the French Directory (1795—1799). Whether as catharsis or in a need to reconnect with other survivors of the Reign of Terror, they greeted the new regime with an outbreak of luxury, decadence, and even silliness. . . . The Merveilleuses scandalized Paris with dresses and tunics modeled after the ancient Greeks and Romans, cut of light or even transparent linen and gauze. Sometimes so revealing they were termed “woven air”, many gowns displayed cleavage and were too tight to allow pockets. To carry even a handkerchief, the ladies had to use small bags known as reticules.”

    Caricature of “Paris Ladies in Their Winter Dress” by the contemporary English cartoonist Cruikshank at the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incroyables_and_Merveilleuses

    I remember reading in a history of the period that the see-through dresses of the merveilleuses offered such little protection against the cold and damp of the Parisian winter that several of the fashionable wearers died of pneumonia.

    As for the incroyables, they could best be described as eighteenth-century French zoot suiters (as in ‘Zoot alors,’ excuse the bad pun).

  2. Weimar, Ancient Rome, Paris, New York, Blue States Everywhere and in all times…

    According to Denis Prager the problem is that people think of themselves as animals only, and not human persons.

    Not according to Denis Prager, but logically following on his critique…

    The correlate of wearing scanty clothing, if they could only see it, is public defecation, urination, copulation, eating with your hands, swearing, crudity, violence, theft, cruelty and murder.

    Is there are doubt we are there?

    Civilization has fallen before. It has been restored before. It is not a sure thing either way. It has definitely fallen now….

    Meanwhile, in other interesting news the relics of the Little Flower are (currently) on display at the Cathedral in Philadelphia, presumably to continue a tour of the States at other locales.

    Totally unrelated juxtapositions of course (not).

  3. As soon as I saw the first picture, I thought of ancient Rome. I wonder if they had a Miley Cyrus as well.

  4. Sex is power (for women), and there’s a lot of competition these days. That invites escalation.
    It’s to the point that I wonder how a porn star can even earn a living, let alone get wealthy.

    On the second topic: pulling the thread of Communist familial ties reminds me very much of the relationships between jihadis.

  5. It’s to the point that I wonder how a porn star can even earn a living, let alone get wealthy.

    You probably don’t want the truth on that matter.

  6. Reflecting on the subject, I found myself contrasting my reactions to today’s actress’ dress and other cultures that have permitted female nudity, specifically South Sea Islanders and the Minoan cultures. I think the critical difference is that today’s dress is intended to titillate, to provoke prurient interest, whereas that was not the case in past cultures.

    I was completely unaware of the delightful British comedy team Flanders and Swann. The verbal pyrotechnics as compared to today are striking.
    Thanks for the intro Neo. And as reward, I’ll share my discovery that Amazon has a page of eight of Flanders and Swann’s albums available. Obviously, for anyone interested, they should be ordered through your link.

  7. Jaimie Alexander need hardly expose so much… (Thor)… since she’s already established as a starlet. She’s received bad counsel.

    Between Titanic and Black Swan there’s so much ‘lead nudity’ that starlets are compelled to stay never more than one notch below porn starlets… of whom many should’ve made it in straight film. (They ‘write’ their own dialog on the spot… as most porn dialog is entirely ad-lib.)

    Hey, they should be members of the Writers Guild.

  8. @Ymarsakar

    “You probably don’t want the truth on that matter.”
    Yes, I do. The truth is the truth, whether it is unpleasant or not.

  9. And another thought: sex is only powerful to the extent that few are using it. Supply and demand: increased supply drives down prices, ceterus paribus.
    Modern feminists tell women to embrace sexuality, I think as a way of becoming more powerful. They didn’t realize they were diluting their own value by doing so.

  10. Yes, I do. The truth is the truth, whether it is unpleasant or not.

    Then study the Middle East, African, and Eastern Europe slave trade.

    Work backwards from there about 2 or 3 layers and you’ll arrive at the answer.

  11. Feminism was hijacked some time ago by communists and then transferred to the modern Left.

    Why wouldn’t they have engineered the collapse of female power? Are people still on that obsolete idea that the Left exists to help the poor, immigrants, and homosexuals find a better life or something?

  12. It’s getting so hard to épater le bourgeois nowadays, huh? The weirdest part about Jaimie Alexander’s dress is that her boyfriend’s teen daughter accompanied her to the event – talk about awkward. She didn’t tape her dress in place, so she was showing the world her nethers at certain angles/in certain poses.

    Slightly O/O, but related to an earlier comment about nudity in film and TV: http://www.collegehumor.com/embed/6914279/its-not-porn-its-hbo

  13. Lizzy…

    That sent me into a tizzy… I was concerned for their careers… until I knew it was HBO.

  14. “. . .and so ran the gauntlet of emperor and senator . . .”[Wikipedia].

    Wikipedia, FYI it’s “gantlet,” i.e., a maze. A “gauntlet” is a glove.

    Sorry, it’s a pet peve.

  15. Sorry. From Wikipedia:
    Running the gauntlet or gantlet is a form of physical punishment where a captive is to run between two rows – a gauntlet – of soldiers who repeatedly strike them.

  16. From the dictionary:

    gaunt·let1 /ˈgÉ”ntlɪt, ˈgÉ‘nt-/ Show Spelled [gawnt-lit, gahnt-] Show IPA
    noun
    1. a medieval glove, as of mail or plate, worn by a knight in armor to protect the hand.
    2. a glove with an extended cuff for the wrist.
    3. the cuff itself.
    Idioms
    4. take up the gauntlet,
    a. to accept a challenge to fight: He was always willing to take up the gauntlet for a good cause.
    b. to show one’s defiance.
    Also, take up the glove.
    5. throw down the gauntlet,
    a. to challenge.
    b. to defy.
    Also, throw down the glove.

    Origin:
    1375—1425; late Middle English gantelet < Middle French, diminutive of gant glove < Germanic *want-; compare Old Norse vÇ«ttr

    gantlet 1 (ˈɡé¦ntlɪt, ˈɡɔːnt-)

    – n
    1. a section of a railway where two tracks overlap
    2. ( US ) a variant spelling of gauntlet
    [n.B. I find it interesting that the on-line dictionaries I consulted provide the railroad definition but fail to mention the gantlet as a means of punishment]

    Now one might point to # 2 (variant spelling) to justify the use of “gauntlet,” but it is a variant spelling and appears to be peculiar to the U.S.. “Nite” is a variant spelling of “night” (“luv/love”, “dri/dry,” et. al.) also seen all the time; that doesn’t make it correct. To be fair in this discussion, also see:

    http://grammarist.com/usage/gantlet-gauntlet/

    also:

    http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2006/08/is-it-gantlet-or-gauntlet.html

    and while they seem (in the U.S.) to have become interchangeable I would never write “gauntlet” for “gantlet”, or for that matter “dri” for “dry” in anything I intended for publication. Matt_SE you may disagree and think me doctrinaire. Many may even consider that a valid criticism but in my book, sloppy grammar is sloppy grammar.

  17. It’s common usage to refer to the Roman practice that way.

    A lot of things in dictionaries are determined by individual usage. Even though authority thinks it is the other way around.

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