That is insidious. This is one aspect of Obamacare that is just evil. I’m sure someone like Betsy McCaughey saw this coming, but the website *forcing* people onto Medicaid when using the Obamacare site is treacherous. Not only will they have limited doctor options, but whatever assets they have are now in the sights of their state.
I think we’re lucky that the site was almost completely non-functional, as it probably prevented a lot of people being tricked into being forcibly enrolled into Medicaid. But what will happen next year when an estimated 80+ million lose their employer-based plan and have to weigh going to the site in order to get healthcare subsidies (but risk forced Medicaid) vs. getting a plan directly from an insurer with no subsidies. This assumes that insurers are going to be in good shape in a year…
What a GREAT redistribution scheme! Oops, I meant program…yeah, program sounds much better.
I just love the part where people’s assets will be stolen (oops, reimbursed to the state) for services they never received but might have, kinda sorta.
Too bad for the suckers that the people hit hardest by Medicaid reimbursement to the State will be those with modest assets. Sure sucks to be them!
But it’s ALL for the “greater good”. Wow what a slogan, how can anyone object to “for the greater good”? And anyone who does, must be selfish and greedy, so they deserve what they get, right? Why, it’s COSMIC JUSTICE!
“Professional liberals are too arrogant to compromise. In my experience, they were also very unpleasant people on a personal level. Behind their slogans about saving the world and sharing the wealth with the common man lurked a nasty hunger for power. They’d double-cross their own mothers to get it or keep it.” – Harry S Truman, pp. 55, American Heritage 7/8 1992, from a 1970 interview
“When more of the people’s sustenance is exacted through the form of taxation than is necessary to meet the just obligations of government and the expense of its economical administration, such exaction becomes ruthless extortion and a violation of the fundamental principles of a free government.” President Grover Cleveland, Democrat
“Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.” Pres. James Madison
“In a free government almost all other rights would become worthless if the government possessed power over the private fortune of every citizen.” Chief Justice John Marshall
“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the law of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.” Pres. John Adams
@Geoffrey Britain
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Nice Quotes! Thanks for posting them.
Sounds like part of the plan to lock in Democrat voters along with food stamps, rent subsidies, and extended unemployment payments.
One of the big cost factors in Medicaid has been long term assisted living or nursing care. I don’t know what the government pays, but the cost for private payers here in Washington State runs about $6000/month. That’s $200/day! Heck, you can go on a cruise for less than that. I assume the high cost is due to cost shifting. The nursing homes are trying to make up for the low reimbursements they receive from Medicaid just as the hospitals do to pay for all the pro-bono work they do in their ERs because of EMTALA.
I have been paying on a long term care policy for 25 years, because I didn’t want to be dependent on Medicaid if I needed to go into a nursing home. There had been two small increases in premiums over those years. Suddenly, this year the insurance company doubled the premiums. My guess is that the premium increase was due to what they see coming from Obamacare. Paying the premiums for my wife and myself was doable before. Now, although I’ve ponied up the money for 2014, it is going to be a strain on our budget from here on in.
My experience with LTC insurance is, I assume, much like those who have been “transitioned” to new, more expensive medical insurance polices. Money we might have spent on travel, consumer goods, investing, etc. is now going to go into the maw of the insurance/health care beast. This is an indirect tax that is going to affect demand for all kinds of things in the coming years. A kind of “unstimulus” program, if you will.
Like every other investor, the Fed policies have thrust Insurance companies out along the risk curve. Where they used to be able to make adequate amounts from interest in relatively risk free bonds, they must now either risk more or charge more, or both. Expect all insurance to cost more (Homeowners policy went up $500 this year with no increase in coverage – regulators are very sympathetic…) Also expect some implosions in insurance companies when there is a 1) a huge disaster, man-made or natural or 2) the Fed decides to taper and the stock market crashes…
While I am no fan of insurance companies, shunting millions onto the government dole was the game plan for Obamacare. Its long lines, and then when you finally get inside the door you find empty shelves. Welcome to the USSA.
The Left is evil. Don’t bother trying to figure out which parts are or aren’t. That is pointless.
Well before this move, it was hard to find a doctor who took Medicaid. I expect a push by the Democrats to force doctors to accept it. This is going to get ugly.
Ymarsakr, finally you say something so clearly and concisely that I can understand it and agree without reservation.
The Left is Evil.
Simple.
Thank you and thanks Geoffrey Britain for your timely quotes.
If doctors don’t want to work, they’ll be made to work.
Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.-Guess who
“[No society can survive the socialist] fallacy that there is an absolutely unlimited number of inspired officials and an absolutely unlimited amount of money to pay them.”
G. K. Chesterton
“When people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty”
Thomas Jefferson
“There are some desires that are not desirable.”
G. K. Chesterton
finally you say something so clearly and concisely that I can understand it and agree without reservation.
I don’t know who you are.
Channeling the modern liberal,
These American middle class people are really worthless and should probably be replaced by some more socially compliant yet energetic population. As it is, they can barely support themselves much less us and all we have planned.
This precisely why I have quit working. I have already paid far more than most for SS & Medicare. I will never pay those taxes again. I also expect to refuse the “benefit” since you have take Medicare to get your SS benies.
The Left says Nixon was bad, because everyone agreed, but Obama’s IRS is no scandal, a fake scandal, and no suppression of enemies existed.
Defeating the Left require breaking the back of their power, not winning debates.
Back in 2009, people kept talking about all the crazy stuff, to them, the Left was doing. I kept saying “you ain’t seen nothing yet” in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
People needed to use their imaginations more. This isn’t even 10% of the Left’s full power, their true power. They’ve been holding back on us.
Because their true face is ugly; the people would turn on them if they saw it…assuming they still had the option.
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That is insidious. This is one aspect of Obamacare that is just evil. I’m sure someone like Betsy McCaughey saw this coming, but the website *forcing* people onto Medicaid when using the Obamacare site is treacherous. Not only will they have limited doctor options, but whatever assets they have are now in the sights of their state.
I think we’re lucky that the site was almost completely non-functional, as it probably prevented a lot of people being tricked into being forcibly enrolled into Medicaid. But what will happen next year when an estimated 80+ million lose their employer-based plan and have to weigh going to the site in order to get healthcare subsidies (but risk forced Medicaid) vs. getting a plan directly from an insurer with no subsidies. This assumes that insurers are going to be in good shape in a year…
What a GREAT redistribution scheme! Oops, I meant program…yeah, program sounds much better.
I just love the part where people’s assets will be stolen (oops, reimbursed to the state) for services they never received but might have, kinda sorta.
Too bad for the suckers that the people hit hardest by Medicaid reimbursement to the State will be those with modest assets. Sure sucks to be them!
But it’s ALL for the “greater good”. Wow what a slogan, how can anyone object to “for the greater good”? And anyone who does, must be selfish and greedy, so they deserve what they get, right? Why, it’s COSMIC JUSTICE!
“Professional liberals are too arrogant to compromise. In my experience, they were also very unpleasant people on a personal level. Behind their slogans about saving the world and sharing the wealth with the common man lurked a nasty hunger for power. They’d double-cross their own mothers to get it or keep it.” – Harry S Truman, pp. 55, American Heritage 7/8 1992, from a 1970 interview
“When more of the people’s sustenance is exacted through the form of taxation than is necessary to meet the just obligations of government and the expense of its economical administration, such exaction becomes ruthless extortion and a violation of the fundamental principles of a free government.” President Grover Cleveland, Democrat
“Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions.” Pres. James Madison
“In a free government almost all other rights would become worthless if the government possessed power over the private fortune of every citizen.” Chief Justice John Marshall
“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the law of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.” Pres. John Adams
@Geoffrey Britain
–
Nice Quotes! Thanks for posting them.
Sounds like part of the plan to lock in Democrat voters along with food stamps, rent subsidies, and extended unemployment payments.
One of the big cost factors in Medicaid has been long term assisted living or nursing care. I don’t know what the government pays, but the cost for private payers here in Washington State runs about $6000/month. That’s $200/day! Heck, you can go on a cruise for less than that. I assume the high cost is due to cost shifting. The nursing homes are trying to make up for the low reimbursements they receive from Medicaid just as the hospitals do to pay for all the pro-bono work they do in their ERs because of EMTALA.
I have been paying on a long term care policy for 25 years, because I didn’t want to be dependent on Medicaid if I needed to go into a nursing home. There had been two small increases in premiums over those years. Suddenly, this year the insurance company doubled the premiums. My guess is that the premium increase was due to what they see coming from Obamacare. Paying the premiums for my wife and myself was doable before. Now, although I’ve ponied up the money for 2014, it is going to be a strain on our budget from here on in.
My experience with LTC insurance is, I assume, much like those who have been “transitioned” to new, more expensive medical insurance polices. Money we might have spent on travel, consumer goods, investing, etc. is now going to go into the maw of the insurance/health care beast. This is an indirect tax that is going to affect demand for all kinds of things in the coming years. A kind of “unstimulus” program, if you will.
Like every other investor, the Fed policies have thrust Insurance companies out along the risk curve. Where they used to be able to make adequate amounts from interest in relatively risk free bonds, they must now either risk more or charge more, or both. Expect all insurance to cost more (Homeowners policy went up $500 this year with no increase in coverage – regulators are very sympathetic…) Also expect some implosions in insurance companies when there is a 1) a huge disaster, man-made or natural or 2) the Fed decides to taper and the stock market crashes…
While I am no fan of insurance companies, shunting millions onto the government dole was the game plan for Obamacare. Its long lines, and then when you finally get inside the door you find empty shelves. Welcome to the USSA.
The Left is evil. Don’t bother trying to figure out which parts are or aren’t. That is pointless.
Well before this move, it was hard to find a doctor who took Medicaid. I expect a push by the Democrats to force doctors to accept it. This is going to get ugly.
Ymarsakr, finally you say something so clearly and concisely that I can understand it and agree without reservation.
The Left is Evil.
Simple.
Thank you and thanks Geoffrey Britain for your timely quotes.
If doctors don’t want to work, they’ll be made to work.
Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.-Guess who
“[No society can survive the socialist] fallacy that there is an absolutely unlimited number of inspired officials and an absolutely unlimited amount of money to pay them.”
G. K. Chesterton
“When people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fears the people there is liberty”
Thomas Jefferson
“There are some desires that are not desirable.”
G. K. Chesterton
finally you say something so clearly and concisely that I can understand it and agree without reservation.
I don’t know who you are.
Channeling the modern liberal,
These American middle class people are really worthless and should probably be replaced by some more socially compliant yet energetic population. As it is, they can barely support themselves much less us and all we have planned.
This precisely why I have quit working. I have already paid far more than most for SS & Medicare. I will never pay those taxes again. I also expect to refuse the “benefit” since you have take Medicare to get your SS benies.
The Left says Nixon was bad, because everyone agreed, but Obama’s IRS is no scandal, a fake scandal, and no suppression of enemies existed.
Defeating the Left require breaking the back of their power, not winning debates.
Back in 2009, people kept talking about all the crazy stuff, to them, the Left was doing. I kept saying “you ain’t seen nothing yet” in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012.
People needed to use their imaginations more. This isn’t even 10% of the Left’s full power, their true power. They’ve been holding back on us.
Because their true face is ugly; the people would turn on them if they saw it…assuming they still had the option.