January 17th, 2014

Obama announces new NSA policy—sort of

Actually (and I didn’t listen to his speech) it appears that he asked Congress to study the situation and make recommendations by the end of March as to how the phone metadata program can work to collect the information without that data being stored by the government. Andrew McCarthy adds:

Expect delay on this, with the tough calls punted to Congress. It is entirely appropriate that this should be settled by legislation, but the controversy will still center on how the executive branch – which has independent constitutional authority to conduct surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes – exploits whatever Congress designs.

It’s interesting that Obama is saying to Congress, “You figure it out.” And then, as McCarthy suggests, he’ll do whatever he wants?

11 Responses to “Obama announces new NSA policy—sort of”

  1. artfldgr Says:

    Dont worry… they are fixing a lof of things as to the methods we use to catch and punish etc.

    for instance… they are attacking stores for having quota LIMITS claiming they are the opposite..

    and now, they want race to be considered in punishing teens in schools… ie. we either prosecute whites for things they didnt do, or dont prosecute minorities until the numbers are equal

    look now to the NSA, CIA and justice department for fighting terrorism..

    The Justice Department will significantly expand its definition of racial profiling to prohibit federal agents from considering religion, national origin, gender and sexual orientation in their investigations, a government official said Wednesday.

    we must randomly select swedish women of white skin and harrase them because we cant select tanned men from an arab state who is fighting religious jihad..

    we will prosecute christians to equalize the punishment we would mete to terrorists..

    for every terrorist, we will hurt a christian or white, or someone to balance it out, as we are the post racial people.

    The move addresses a decade of criticism from civil rights groups that say federal authorities have in particular singled out Muslims in counterterrorism investigations and Latinos for immigration investigations.

    you can bet that the war knives are being sharpened cause any group that is this stupid sitting on this much value is going to be attacked to get it.

    why not just give in and give up?

    lets just start building the ovens and crawl in ourselves and shut the doors…

    According to OMB, “White” refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. The White racial category includes people who marked the “White”
    checkbox. It also includes respondents who reported entries such as Caucasian or White; European entries, such as Irish, German, and Polish; Middle Eastern entries, such as Arab, Lebanese, and Palestinian; and North African entries, such as Algerian, Moroccan,
    and Egyptian.

    right, so blacks from north africa are white..
    which might hide the actual number of whites the way they hide the actual number of unemployed?

    now.. if you read the numbers as they are used when hate is spouted… then you would find the population collapsing..

    in this way, the number from the other census reports seems to go up..

    211,460,626 white alone – 75.1% year 2000

    223,553,265 white alone – 72 4% year 2010

    ie… dropped how many percentage points despite including non whites in the white category? (including spanish as white when its convenient too).

    The total U.S. population grew by 9.7 percent, from 281.4 million in 2000 to 308.7 million in 2010 (see Table 1). In comparison, the White alone population grew by 6 percent from 211.5 million to 223.6 million

    PATTERNS AMONG THE NON-HISPANIC WHITE POPULATION AND THE HISPANIC WHITE POPULATION

    by doing this they make it nigh impossible to tell what they are hiding… yet admit a bit

    In 2010, the number of Whites who reported one race and identified as Hispanic was 26.7 million, or 9 percent of the total population (see Table 3). In comparison, the number of Whites who reported one race and identified as non-Hispanic numbered 196.8 million, or 64 percent of the total population.

    oh.. so now they are not 72 percent they are 64 percent..

    so take the 56% and add the women of the 72% and you will find that what remains cant vote the NSA stuff away… why? cause that tiny bit that remains is most of who doesnt want a “big man” leader to take control and rule over everyone for their own good….

    just look at the hispanic in south america from argentina, venezuela, salvadore, etc.. they are not voting for freedom…

    we now live in a police state because the people that make up western civilization and would have held the culture and traditions, cant do so… their womenfolk have abandoned that history as the source of all female oppression and so must be destroyed.

    the numbers are not in the favor of fixing it

    and if the greenies cant tell buffet who is friends with obama who is blocking keystone XL, is the man who runs berkshire hathaway at 175,000 per share (you know, so the little people can get in on it too), bought all of BSNF rail to move the oil that XL Would move if his friend in the white house wasnt making a monopoly for him and the mega wealthy.

    too bad as keystone is only 45 a share…
    1/3888th per share compared to buffet

    if they cant tell that, which you can look up, they cant tell that the exits are entrance signs with a paint job and that the harder they run the deeper into the fire they go.

    we are now a defactor police state..
    without an external state to help
    there is no way to stop it now…
    the question is, fast or slow, not whether

  2. Ymarsakar Says:

    They’ll figure out how to kill and torture more Americans while getting away with it, sure.

  3. expat Says:

    They are making a big deal out of this in Germany, but I don’t think Obama convinced people. There are those kumbaya types who think we can deal with terrorism by not spying on anyone. If they were only aware of how much their own security types like getting info on all the Germans (both native and immigrant) who are now in Syria.

  4. artfldgr Says:

    Last year, high-ranking NSA official Bill Binney said, “We are, like, that far from a turnkey totalitarian state.”

    Now, Binney says that the U.S. has already become a full-blown police state. –

    you want to hear that the court will fix it, or congress will, but it wont. a interesting article pointed out why the supreme court wont reign in obama… its cause a certain justice has a dirty adoption on their plate… and its an easy case of blackmail… you dont do what we want, we will let them chew on you…do what we want, and you will be protected like Barney, and the others…

    so you can be sure that the republic is over…
    there is no way to chante this in any meaningful way

    how?

    they ignore congress and change laws by personal whim, so anything that might be in place to end this wont be followed… why would it?

    its like expecting the borders to be sealed
    or expecting them to go after jihadis rather than try to show they ignore religion by not ignoring religion (and using it as an anti selection point… ie. if religious, you dont select them so that you can show your not selecting religious).

    anyway

    there is absolutely no way to stop this

    no one ever asked why the wealthy would not collectively side against a system that would take everything from them!

    but what if its THEIR System to take everyting from you under the guise of the opposite?

    what if, the reward for trying to take their money when free, is to have them be too afraid to let you remain free?

    you think that the politicoes are going to fight this or change this when the NSA And such has the dirt on them to dish out to the world?

    the whole of the dirty part of the politico spectrum is being held by the short and curlies…

    not to swift..
    i told you all to ignore the news, and look behind the scenes to the things they were building, aking and arranging..

    you all said… no, if they wanted X they would put their queen there…
    and i said no, if they wanted X they would make sure x was protected from attack first from hdden places THEN tthe queen can occupy the place.

    everyone ignored the guards…
    they ignored the stuff i said was changing and instead went chasing after dog and poney crap shows..

    well, now how do you like the crap shows that kept you from paying attention to the changes in these organizations and entertained you more (given our culture is first masturbatory and requires every thing worth anything to them to be pleasurable on some level… )

    Classified documents show rules for NSA surveillance without a warrant
    http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/politics/classified-documents-show-rules-for-nsa-surveillance-without-a-warrant/248/

    last page.. Eric Holder signs off…

    the NSA was provided total, unsupervised access to all fiber-optic communications going between some of the nation’s largest telecommunication companies’ major interconnected locations, including phone conversations, email, web browsing, and corporate private network traffic

    Stellar Wind (code name)
    it was started under bush…
    but the reports end there as it was continued as part of the President’s Surveillance Program (PSP).

    so there is no way for great leader to avoid his complicity…

    The President’s Surveillance Program (PSP) is a collection of secret intelligence activities authorized by then President of the United States George W. Bush after the September 11 attacks in 2001 as part of the War on Terrorism

    key:
    The last presidential authorization expired on February 1, 2007, but some of the collection activities were continued, first under the authority of the Protect America Act of 2007, passed in August of that year, and then under the FISA Amendments Act (FAA), which was enacted in July 2008

    Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 Amendments Act of 2008

    The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 (also called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 Amendments Act of 2008, H.R. 6304, enacted 2008-07-10) is an Act of Congress that amended the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

    Warrantless wiretapping by the National Security Agency (NSA) was revealed publicly in late 2005 by the New York Times and then reportedly discontinued in January 2007.

    The FISA Amendments Act also added a new Title VII to FISA which contained provisions similar, but not identical, to provisions in the Protect America Act of 2007 which had expired earlier in 2008. The new provisions in Title VII of FISA were scheduled to expire on December 31, 2012, but two days before the U.S. Senate extended the FISA Amendments Act for five years (until December 31, 2017) which renews the U.S. government’s authority to monitor electronic communications of foreigners abroad

    the bill was limited…
    but what they did was not what the bill said they could do!!!

    if you want to remember what was in the news that would have clued you in, it was the arguments about companies not being allowed to talk or say they are under investigation, or even have a way to petition the government that what they were forced to do was wrong!!! they were bought off with immunity… ie. do what we say and you cant be prosecuted… dont, and guess…

    REMEMBER????

    Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.

    Permits the government not to keep records of searches, and destroy existing records (it requires them to keep the records for a period of 10 years).

    Grants telecommunications companies immunity for cooperation with authorities –

    “Release from liability.—No cause of action shall lie in any court against any electronic communication service provider for providing any information, facilities, or assistance in accordance with [an order/request/directive issued by the Attorney General or the Director of National Intelligence].”

    no matter what i said to ignore the shows on tv and the main stream stuff that neo likes over this other stuff…

    again.. easy to stop.. we had nearly 6 years before now
    and no one would talk about these critical things that define us as free or part of a police state..

    now, they have 6 years of data on the government people
    think that anyone with anything that they are embarassed of will vote honestly?

    ha!

    way too late you find out about what one didnt want to pay attention to…

    you know, like the people who go out for a hike, and end up dying cause the weather report is boring…

  5. artfldgr Says:

    Writing for the Atlantic Council, a prominent think tank based in Washington DC, Harlan K. Ullman warns that an “extraordinary crisis” is needed to preserve the “new world order,” which is under threat of being derailed by non-state actors

    In essence, the 365 year-old Westphalian system that placed sovereign states as the centerpieces of international politics is being tested and in some cases made obsolete by the empowerment of individuals and non-state actors. As former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft observes, global politics has entered a post-Westphalian era. But very few have taken note and fewer have acted on this realization.

    Without an extraordinary crisis, little is likely to be done to reverse or limit the damage imposed by failed or failing governance. The United States is Exhibit A although there are far too many competitors for that title.

    Ominous warning: Admiral concedes U.S. losing dominance to China

    “Our historic dominance that most of us in this room have enjoyed is diminishing, no question,” Adm. Locklear, chief of U.S. Pacific Command, said Wednesday at a naval conference in Virginia.

  6. parker Says:

    The reason to require a specific warrant, based on probable cause, is obviously to prevent government abuse of our basic rights. Anyone who believes the NSA is not also storing the content obtained by ‘metadata mining’ is a fool. Pretending that someone else will benignly store the data secure against government tampering is a fool squared.

  7. Ymarsakar Says:

    I thought they were just going to nationalize FB when they wanted the data, but it looks like they are just mirroring and copying the data to hard physical drives and storing it until later. I guess that’ll work too.

  8. Don Carlos Says:

    I’m reading you, Artfldgr.

  9. Matt_SE Says:

    I think this is an attempt to co-opt Congress in an effort to grant Obama’s law-stretching credibility.

    Congress will say one thing, Obama will interpret it how he wants. If he’s exposed abusing the system in the future, he’ll say “Congress authorized this.”

  10. Socratease Says:

    Talk is cheap. But Obama’s is cheaper than most.

  11. Richard Aubrey Says:

    It appears that metadata is a good thing. Actual facts, as with the warning from the Russians about the Tsarnaev brothers, are too confusing.
    From now on, any time a public figure does something against character or expectations–Justice Roberts on Obamacare–the suspicion will be government blackmail.

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