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What are the previously uninsured doing about Obamacare? — 27 Comments

  1. The Democrats told us that there were 47 million Americans without health insurance. Then they rammed Obamacare down our throats. Seven million signed up, leaving 40 million without health insurance?

    I reckon the people who pay income taxes are the only people who buy health insurance, because they’re the only ones who would be penalized if they didn’t. And we know they are paying higher premiums for lesser coverage than before. Those higher premiums were supposed to subsidize the cost of the premiums for the poor folk. But the poor folk, the non-tax payers, are still going to the emergency room, instead of buying the subsidized health insurance.

    Before Obamacare, they told us that the people who had health insurance were each paying about $1,000 extra to handle the cost of the people using the emergency room for medical care. Now we have Obamacare, the premiums are higher than ever, and a whole bunch of people (40 million?) are still using the emergency room for “free” health care. Nothing changed, except the IRS hired 16,000 more agents.

  2. The numbers mean what the government says they mean. It’s ObamaNewSpeak. The numbers are all doubleplusgood.

  3. What I was told by Healthcare.gov (when I assisted my homeless client submit his application) was that the subsidies are actually treated as tax credits and that if you pay no income taxes you get no subsidies at all.

    Therefore my homeless client (who has always been uninsured, makes no money and therefore pays no taxes) must pay $5,993 in premiums for an ACA “Silver Plan” PLUS no more than $6,350 in out of pocket expenses.

    But the important thing is that his application for ObamaCare was APPROVED!

    In 2013, there were ‘only’ an estimated 610,000 homeless people in America. Too small (and much too weak) a constituency to worry about; I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re no longer counted as members of “the uninsured”, even though I’d bet they were included (for propaganda purposes) pre-2008.

  4. One thing we need to do is repeal EMTALA. That would take some of the pressure off emergency rooms, and reduce the free ride the poor are getting.

  5. I want to know why no one is asking the administration how we went from 30 million to 47 million uninsured on Obama’s watch? In point of fact, if we counted numbers the old fashioned way, between the 6 million who lost their insurance, due to the new healthcare mandates, and the 7 million (I’ll give Obama the fake numbers) who got insurance, while remaking 1/6th of the economy and destroying the best healthcare system on the planet, we are left with 18 million people less insured on Obama’s watch. And for the bargain price of $2 trillion over the next 10 years! Now that’s an achievement.

  6. Three related facts: Of the 30 million uninsured, an estimated 5 million were qualified for Medicaid under pre-Obamacare rules but hadn’t been enrolled. Of the newly enrolled Medicaid beneficiaries, how many are qualified only as a result of the expansion? That would be the real number.

    Also, nobody is talking about the excise tax on medical devices. That is a cost that will be passed throughout the entire system. In other words, it is a tax on the middle class, those who always pay the bills.

    Third, if you have a health savings account as part of your benefit package, the maximum allowable annual contribution to that account was reduced from $6,000 to $2,500. That means that now $3,500 more of your income is taxable. Again, this is squarely on the shoulders of the middle class.

    Liberals are very good at finding ways to take our money and spend it on their favored causes, but neatly avoiding the direct effects of their decisions. Victor Davis Hanson has a commentary on that last thought: “If only people had to live in the world that they dreamed of for others.”

    http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/ideologies-without-consequences/

  7. The ACA was sold on the idea that it would bring most people into the insurance market. At least that was one of the big talking points. The other two points were that you could keep your doctor and it would lower costs for the average family by $2500 per year.

    These selling points are now exposed as bogus and fraudulent. Yet the body politic is not up in arms like it was when this immoral law was proposed and being shoved down our throats. How do we account for this? IMO, the lack of a true economic recovery, foreign policy debacles, MSM complicity, and astounding insults to the Constitution have sapped the morale of even the most devout patriot. I know I’m finding it harder to maintain optimism in the face of what is happening. If the November 2014 elections don’t bring a Republican majority to Congress, morale will fall even further.

    We must all put our best efforts into the coming election. This despicable law must be repealed just as Prohibition was.

  8. EMTALA is apparently the very first thing that illegal immigrants learn about.

    Everyone at your local half-way house is aware of it.

    For those in the ‘black economy’ (ie untaxed and often illicit) the LAST thing they want to do is ‘get registered.’

    Remember the life story of Henry Hill. (Goodfellas) He stayed away from every Federal program possible — until he couldn’t.

    Should he have ever begun linking into the system, his inherent unlawful activities would’ve been exposed… creating an ‘Al Capone’ problem every April 15th.

    Barry wants paranoid citizens to trust the system — and to trust him, personally.

    As if!

    And, he only has a thousand-days to go.

    Digital records are forever.

  9. “Washington has also vigorously opposed Palestinian membership in the international agencies, which under a law passed by Congress could [should Ed.] prompt a withdrawal of financial aid to the Palestinian Authority and a shutdown of the Palestinian diplomatic mission in Washington.” op. cit. @ OP.

    This would entirely terminate the “Road to Ramallah” show.

    If Barry & Co are not even in the picture (WRT the greater jidad) then our influence must be eroded across the ummah.

    What will JFK do with his free time?

  10. I would like to further J.J.’s point about putting in our best efforts to the 2014 elections. Bill Kristol has a great response to Obama’s bully tactics used yesterday when he declared the debate over healthcare over. It is time to start treating these bullies on the Left the same way we treat them on the playground, confront them.

    As self defense instructor who has had to deal far too much with children being bullied in school, I know the first thing these kids need to do is challenge the bully, do you want to fight? Most bullies, once confronted back off, but if they don’t then you need to be prepared for a fight and for us it means confronting the media and the Democrat party with facts. If I were the RNC and the media doesn’t ask the crucial questions we are asking here, which is, where’s the proof in his numbers, then refuse to go on their shows. Start taking out ads on their networks challenging them in their own backyard.
    Fake the confidence until they feel it if need be.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/no-mr-president_786420.html

  11. When this all came around the first time in the late Eighties/early Nineties, the Word was 30 million uninsured.
    Turned out that was bogus. Smack me with a mackerel.
    One third were illegal aliens who weren’t going to be covered, but anyway it wasn’t disclosed. You were invited to see that number as referring to honest-to-George Americans.
    One third were eligible for Medicaid.
    A substantial number were from households making $75k+, when that was real money.
    And, whipped cream on top, anybody uninsured for even a day was considered “uninsured”.
    When you discover somebody’s lying to you about why you’re supposed to do something, the first thing to do is not do it.

  12. I’m confused by Il Dufe and his ObamaBots’ triumphalism about the sign-up. Isn’t it compulsory? If so, why should it be considered some great victory that many people complied? It’s true that in the halcyon days of this once-great, liberty-loving republic, instead of signing up en masse people would have been out on the village green with guns in their hands; but no one was really expecting revolt, were they?

  13. Bilwick:

    The triumphalism is for show. It’s theater, for the ignorant masses and the loyal troops of the left, helped on by the MSM. How and what the administration actually thinks about the actual sign-up numbers (whatever those numbers may be) is a secret, although we can guess.

  14. Poor people don’t need health insurance. If they need medical care, they get it. It may not be given in the most convenient fashion, but they get the medical care they really need. They don’t have to worry about the cost because they don’t have anything the hospitals or doctors can collect for payment. Middle class people need health insurance because they have to pay for their health care and they have bank accounts and other assets that they can lose. Middle class people need and want health insurance but many poor people don’t see the need and don’t want it.

  15. I find it curious that for months the regime has not been able to tell us how many were signing up and how many were actually paying monthly premiums; but the morning after the ‘deadline’ they precisely stated 7,041,000 enrolled, which using the new common core math was rounded up to 7.1 million. All their numbers are bogus. Obamacare is lies all the way down.

    BHO thinks its over and settled because he says so, good luck with that one. Real people are being hurt in the wallet and obamacare remains unpopular and grows ever more unpopular as we approach November.

  16. matthew49 Says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 5:46 pm
    Poor people don’t need health insurance. If they need medical care, they get it. It may not be given in the most convenient fashion, but they get the medical care they really need. They don’t have to worry about the cost because they don’t have anything the hospitals or doctors can collect for payment. Middle class people need health insurance because they have to pay for their health care and they have bank accounts and other assets that they can lose. Middle class people need and want health insurance but many poor people don’t see the need and don’t want it.

    Alas, those poor people are not about to vote for anyone who proposes to repeal or change Obamacare, except to make it a single payer system.

  17. We’re seeing the further development of the Left’s “Lie Your Arse Off” mode of government: Yell a huge lie loudly and often enough, and just ignore into oblivion any factual challenges/refutations.

    When you notice them peddling these whoppers, be aware that you are not the Intended Audience. The Intended Audience for all this theatrical b***sh** is the No-Information Voter. They really don’t give a good goddam what the rest of us think, as they have herded us all into a virtual Warsaw Ghetto.

  18. Beverly Says:
    April 2nd, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    When you notice them peddling these whoppers, be aware that you are not the Intended Audience. The Intended Audience for all this theatrical b***sh** is the No-Information Voter.

    That is exactly right. I think I posted something about that last week.

    When you hear them saying something that is illogical, nonsensical, or a bald-faced lie, know that you are not the intended audience. They are not trying to convince you. All they are trying to do is sway the ignorant and stupid.

  19. Ignorant and stupid V 2.0 will be coming out in the next generation. That way instead of 25-51% of Americans being that way, we’ll have 68%.

  20. If sign-ups pay monthly; what will happen in 2 or 3 months when they decide this monthly charge is too expensive? Will the Dr.s and hospitals be responsible? Check out Hadassah hospital’s problems in Israel.
    I would like to know the lapse figures.

  21. Skullbuster

    I saw one report that of people who made an initial payment, 10-15% have missed a payment already. As I’ve noted in another thread, things like federal and state income taxes, Social Security, and health insurance are taken out of people’s check so they can’t miss a payment.

    With Obama care, a cash payment must be made every month. Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck. A third of Americans have savings less than $1000. How many Americans will have an extra few hundred dollars for health insurance every month? We know people miss car payments house payments, and credit card bills. If you miss an Obamacare payment, you owe two payments next month. Essentially, making your monthly payment for this mandated insurance is voluntary. Within a year this thing will be a big loser.

  22. Beginning with your article, and continuing through the comments, the numbers are all over the board, as they have been for years. 30mm and 47mm have been echoed in articles and from talking heads over the years, as well as other numbers here and there. Many who had health insurance that were paying for it no longer have it. I know quite a few people who have been forced into that situation.

    All I know for sure at this time is that for three times the monthly premium, I have health insurance for another year with my same carrier. It costs more and covers less. Out of pocket is through the roof.

  23. Many, not all, of the uninsured know how to “game” the system. Saying certain words in the ER will get you seen sooner. Knowing that you cannot be turned away and will not have to pay anything brings out the “mooch” in some. Too bad, but this is the price of an entitlement society.

  24. Unlike the Jews in the warsaw Ghetto, middle-class America is rolling over and taking what Obama is dishing out. Obama’s re-election signalled the end of a functional democracy in the US. We’re all Chavistas now.

  25. Functional democracies always ended up as tools to justify local tyrannies. It was the same for Athens, it will be the same for the Senate of the US.

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