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  1. And Memorial Day was once Decoration Day.

    And Columbus Day was once a holiday to celebrate, not to sheepishly sweep under the rug / toss under the bus.

    And Season’s Greetings was once Christmas Day, even if one was not necessarily theologically / culturally Christian.

    And . . . and . . . and . . .

  2. You don’t protect my freedom: Our childish insistence on calling soldiers heroes deadens real democracy
    It’s been 70 years since we fought a war about freedom. Forced troop worship and compulsory patriotism must end

    http://www.salon.com/2014/11/09/you_dont_protect_my_freedom_our_childish_insistence_on_calling_soldiers_heroes_deadens_real_democracy/

    its funny, but only those who survive abortion can promote it

    only those who are not under tyranny can write that they did not want or need to be protected from it

    who is going to tell him its a Republic not a Democracy?

    Also… it shows how idiocy will make sure we lose when the war comes again, given the escallation to it to take advantage of potus and the vp…

    you wonder how someone can be so stupid as to think that the US would exist and there would be no war if we had no military or fight to defend it….

    nothing will reach such people because they do not and will not percieve that their whole idea has no support in logic given that if they got what they want they would not exist to enjoy it.

  3. This is one of those good intentions that had become bathetic in the last half century. From the sublime, the unimaginable courage (D-Day, Iwo Jima), unimaginable indefatigability (Battle of The Bulge, Iwo Jima) to the ridiculous – mystical adventures around the world — troops in support of droning wars — and leaving wherever the worse for their presence and sacrifice, and many being given over to the care and ministrations of the VA. Celebrate Veterans Day indeed — as if anyone cared.

  4. “Struggle for Life most severe between Individuals and Varieties of the same Species” – this is a sub head of Charles Darwin’s The Origin of Species’ Chapter III, The Struggle For Existence. These deadly struggles will be with us always. Life is mostly more satisfying and enriching when we are not involved in deadly struggles. But, it behooves us, as individuals, neighborhoods, cities and nation states to be ready to defend our interests. I believe that the Darwinian theory of evolution is by far the best explanation of life. I am perplexed that there is so little discussion in academia of applying evolutionary principles to humankind when academia is so ready to apply it everywhere else.

  5. I am perplexed that there is so little discussion in academia of applying evolutionary principles to humankind when academia is so ready to apply it everywhere else.

    they fear that this was the source of the Nazi’s
    and so, they avoid it, despite coming up with the same anti social ideas as nazis, while calling their opposition nazis (nationalizers)…

  6. A SCOT who became Britain’s most decorated soldier for his audacious exploits during the Second World War — which included single-handedly forcing a column of German troops and SS Panzer tanks to surrender — has died at the age 94. Sir Tommy Macpherson, who fought with No 11 (Scottish) Commando in Europe, and was awarded the Military Cross three times, the Croix de Guerre three times and the Legion d’Honneur, died on Thursday.

  7. Artfldgr: That is a good point. Evolutionary theory is science and definitely not moralistic ideology. Science can explain genocide as well as altruism. It can even explain widespread belief in naive, utopian fallacies.

  8. Neo…The Fall of 1954 I was in 5th Grade. I still remember the change from Armistace Day to Veterans Day being talked about. No wonder there’s a couple gray hairs in my beard.

    Lynn MacDonald’s oral histories(books)of WW I remain stunners. My God, what horror. Imagine that The Somme and Verdun were fought the same year!! 60+thousand Brit casualties on the first day of the Somme battle, July 1, 1916. 20-thousand of them KIA. Breathtaking in its devastation.

    God Bless’um All.

  9. Lynn McDonald’s books are heartbreaking – and to think of the carnage of that war – just the British casualty toll on the first day of the Somme is … appalling. It ripped the guts out of a whole generation of British and European men – women, too, since there were so many women who would have otherwise been married, left spinsters or widows. I think us Americans got away lightly, in comparison – the Civil War did as almost as much to us as WWI did to Europe, but at least we had the Western Expansion and national optimism to sustain us.

    I did a post at Chicagoboyz yesterday, meditating on this – there was a wonderful book by a military historian, Gene Smith, in the mid-1960s, when he did a trip through Europe, following the Western Front. Still Quiet on the Western Front is the book — have a copy, and the way that he wrote about it, fifty years later. It’s enough to reduce you to tears. There are some excerpts which still do that to me.
    http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/46362.html

  10. Thank you those who served and those who serve today. Young men, and now young women, who go into harm’s way do not decide when they will go to war; that is the providence of politicians, but serve to the best of their ability they do. I feel particular sorrow for Vietnam veterans as they won on the ground at great cost only to see politicians lose the war. It looks like this will prove true for those who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. Though the Iraq and Afghanistan vets have come home as heroes and not villains.

  11. Sgt. Mom –

    imo, the Civil War was a warning to the rest of the world about the horrors of modern warfare. Not all of the elements were in place yet. Certain technologies had yet to be refined. But the basics were there, including early forms of the trenches.

    Sadly, the Europeans dismissed it all as the fighting of backward colonials, and ended up repeating it on a much larger scale starting in 1914.

  12. Art,

    Mr. nez was the last remaining member of the original contingent of code talkers. They were the group who developed the codes. There were additional groups that followed and some of them are still alive. I spoke to two of them yesterday and got an autographed book for my grandson.

    Bill Lawrence

  13. Wm Lawrence…
    lets get the journolist… they report badly to say the least. then again, as you point out, the details matter in terms of how you catagorize things. i just notice that others werent noticing.

    thanks!

    on another note, i had up the image of the WWII merchant marines memorial. while merchant marines are not military, i had the image up on one of my two screens at work, as they risked their lives and died during the ware as well, even though they were not military.

    on my other screen was the viral image of the bald eagle on the gravestone in military cemetary.

    and no, i have not heard from my son since he shipped out. he pretty much ignores me and doesnt bother much except the times i come to attend an event or something. been waiting months just to see a post card that says hi, how are you. we did send him stuff…

    life sucks
    you pay taxes
    then you die trying…

    🙂

  14. The favorability rating for Democrats is the party’s lowest since Gallup began asking the question in 1992.

    “After the 2012 election, many political analysts focused on the GOP’s ‘image problem’,” the polling firm said. “Now, it is the Democrats who appear to have the more battered image. Their favorability rating has never been lower, and they are reeling from defeats that cost them control of the U.S. Senate and strengthened the Republican House majority to levels likely not seen in 90 years.

    “On the other hand, the American public does not admire Republicans more, their numerous election victories notwithstanding,” Gallup continued. “Neither party can say it is making significant progress in improving its image among the U.S. population, but undoubtedly the 2014 elections augmented the GOP’s ability to shape the agenda in Washington and in state capitals across the country.”

  15. On another note, the soviets are invading ukraine more. more and more weapons, tanks, and equipment is going over the border. note that the ukraine borders 7 countries… so from their you have a lot of options on where to go next… meanwhile, the teens who love communism, etc… cant operate a stinger as their intelligence is decidedly lower than the average afghani rebel of the 1980s…

  16. Before it was Armistice Day, it was Martinmas, the feast of St. Martin of Tours, patron of soldiers.

  17. Martin Middlebrook’s incredible book(much of it ‘oral history’): “The First Day on the Somme” is recommended to all here. Breathtaking. And, enthusiastic agreement with NCS and Sgt. Mom on the great Lynn MacDonald’s oral histories of The Great War: “They Called it Paschendaele”, “The Somme” and “1915: The End of Innocence”.

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