In a situation…
…such as this, truth is especially hard to come by:
The Wall Street Journal reported late Monday that in addition to Israelis spying on the highly-sensitive negotiations between Tehran and world powers, details were back-chanelled to US legislators in an effort to sabotage the deal intended to limit Iran’s nuclear program.
“Frankly I was a bit shocked, because, there was no information revealed to me whatsoever,” said House Speaker John Boehner
But I’ll take a crack at a guess:
(1) Israel did spy on the Iran talks. If they didn’t, they should have. The US has become its enemy, along with Iran.
(2) The US knew this, but is releasing this information now in order to further hurt Israel, and to harm some Republicans in the process. A twofer.
(3) Boehner is not actually shocked.
(4) Some details were back-channeled to US legislators. The funny thing is that the Obama administration is supposed to be giving Congress some information on the negotiations, but of course hasn’t. Now he’s peeved that the Israelis may have kept Congress abreast of his secret plans to give away the farm.
An awful lot of smoke and mirrors here, I think.
And Israel has ALL of the emails on the private Clinton server. Everything between Cheryl Mills, Huma and the whole crew of fixers.
I have now concluded that the famous Bob Woodward will get the hacked emails from our ally and he will run a series of stories in September 2016. Bob’s career will end in glory and Hillary’s in disgrace.
Considering that US intelligence determined that Iran stopped seeking the bomb when GB was President and Israeli and UK intell said that was nuts we should be grateful there is at least one intelligence agency we and Congress can depend on.
I wonder if this will drive Obama & company to full schizo? He is clearly mentally ill; maybe with a little push he will get on TV and warn of a world wide Jewish conspiracy of bankers and communists.
Yikes !!!!
THAT ‘S sweet !
To borrow from Mc donald’s “I m lovin it “
Bob from Virgina:
Just the bankers minus the Communists.
Doesn’t reek of the time Obama accused the Chamber of Commerce of taking foreign money? Same MO.
I’m counting on the French to inform the American people about the details of the “arrangement” Obama is working out with the Mullahs.
A sign of the times: Bibi and Hollande are now effectively sharing the position of “Leader of the Free World.”
hey Hillary welcome to 2015
there will be no *secrets* anymore
A sign of the times: Bibi and Hollande are now effectively sharing the position of “Leader of the Free World.”
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It’s a bit sick that the French are the ones taking the lead in something like this. Not that I’ve got anything against the French in this instance. But their standards toward what is and is not acceptable behavior in such instances is usually somewhat less strict than that of the US.
As someone on-line wrote, “Now WE’RE the cheese-eating surrender monkeys.”
Sam and Junior:
As I’ve noted elsewhere, the French are one ocean closer to Tehran’s launch pads than we are.
Indeed.
Until the mullahs decide to “share” their nukes with Venezuela.
Armin Rosen: The most striking aspect of the Israeli spying leak
Israel spies on Iran and learns things about the US. Michael Doran aptly remarks on twitter: “Spying on the guy you hate, you unexpectedly catch your wife cheating on you. Your wife then accuses you of being a horrid snoop.”
Neo:
(1) Israel did spy on the Iran talks. If they didn’t, they should have. The US has become its enemy, along with Iran.
I couldn’t agree more. Israeli intelligence must stay on top of everything, world-wide, that affects Israel… and very little affects Israel more than this.
(2) The US knew this, but is releasing this information now in order to further hurt Israel, and to harm some Republicans in the process. A twofer.
I’m not sure I buy that. If this was leaked to intentionally hurt Israel, why wasn’t it done a week ago, when it might have influenced the Israeli election? And how does this hurt Republicans now?
The funny thing is that I suspect this whole news story will play well in the American heartland. Americans in general were sympathetic to Netanyahu speaking to Congress. (Why shouldn’t he? Congress can invite whom it likes, and Netanyahu had something supremely important to say.) It was the petulant whiners in the White House who threw a tantrum over it.
Similarly, it seems that Israel acted as a true ally, and told Congress what Congress had every right to know, and wanted to know, which the President was refusing to share. I suspect Americans as a whole will generally sympathize.
In short: Israel is no longer a friend to Obama… but is a friend indeed to America.
By the way, I don’t know if Obama is clever enough to see this as a shot across his bow. But the message is unmistakable. Israeli intelligence is saying: President Obama, you shut us out of the Iran talks, so we had to get the information vital to our survival by other means. Since you are not acting as a friend, we will use that information as we see fit. By the way, we know a lot more… and are willing to tell it to people without checking with you first. We will do more of that if we find it necessary.
What secrets, I wonder, could the Mossad spill, if Netanyahu gives them the wink and nod to do so? Hillary’s e-mails, indexed by embarrassing subject? Proof of Obama’s affirmative-action acceptance to Harvard? Hard-core evidence that would make him throw even Valerie Jarrett under the bus? The mind boggles at the possibilities.
Yes, it’s smoke and mirrors but with a purpose. A series of charges are needed against Israel for ‘unconscionable’ behaviors, to provide political cover so that Obama can ‘reluctantly’ agree in the U.N. to international sanctions against an Israeli regime that has gone rogue. (gag)
Those who cheered Snowden, Assange, and Manning need to show up and tell us what they think.
So that’s why Bibi had to travel to Washington and make that speech—to tell those Congresscritters all those secrets he had already given them, but which he knew they’d forget because, well, they’re Congresscritters.
Now, it all begins to make sense.
One should assume everyone spies upon everyone else to the maximum extent of their capabilities, and that includes one’s enemies and allies.
One item that I think is worth noting –
A number of highly-placed Congressional Reps on both sides of the aisle are saying, “No, the Israelis didn’t provide us any information on the negotiations.”
It might just be cover, but it means that the “feeding information to Congress” claim is still “He said, He said”.
3. Boehner is not actually shocked. Yes, he probably is.
The villiage idiot of the House is not the person you would entrust with critical information to bungle about with. You go to the House Intelligence Committee, which by definition, precludes the aforementioned from membership.
The villiage idiot of the House is not the person you would entrust with critical information to bungle about with. You go to the House Intelligence Committee, which by definition, precludes the aforementioned from membership.
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And iirc, the head of the House Intelligence Committee is also saying that the Israelis didn’t funnel any information to him.
A number of highly-placed Congressional Reps on both sides of the aisle are saying, “No, the Israelis didn’t provide us any information on the negotiations.”
Odds are that the French and Saudi’s ratted Obama out to Congress probably at the suggestion of Israel. Obama can’t or won’t do anything to them and Netanyahu was already on the $**t list like he cares.
Israelis can not afford to wait for the policy to be executed before they know its content. They are, after all, addressing a sovereign power that has stated and acted (through proxies) upon threats to their lives.
This isn’t Obamacare. There is more at stake than an unwanted and inviable clump of polices that preserve the costs and marginality of health care.
Assuming the conventional wisdom is correct -that it’s a terrible deal, it’s hard to believe legislators wouldn’t blab it to every news network in the Western Hemisphere. Capital Hill is leakier than a submarine with a screen door.
Puts me in mind of the days when Bob Woodward was a young Navy JG spying on Henry Kissinger for Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Moorer as Kissinger tilted the US toward Pakistan in the India – Pakistan scuffle because the Pakis were giving us a conduit to the Chinese which provided the channel for all the minutia that had to be sorted out so Nixon could go to China and normalize relations, the very thing the Joint Chiefs were worried about.
It must be true. I simply cannot believe that Obama would make up a lie just to make himself look good and his political opponents look bad.
I’m sure the Israelis are spying on the talks — but it is totally unnecessary. We all know what’s going to happen: the Iranians will keep saying “NO”, and Barry, through his puppet, Officer Muldoon, will keep offering them more, until we let them build a bomb — maybe even build one for them!
Does anyone not know this? Anyone? Bueller?
If the Israelis were indeed spying, which I do not doubt, it brings to mind the question – where is the spy? In the US or in Iran?
Probably the question will never be answered but it is an interesting.