April 2nd, 2015

Pretty soon Memories Pizza may be just a memory

It is no surprise that a campaign on social media sites has forced Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Indiana to close down temporarily or perhaps permanently. The pizza establishment’s owners are not activists; they merely answered an inquiring reporter’s questions, saying that although they serve everyone who comes into the place, if they were ever asked to cater a gay wedding they would have to politely decline (although it’s moot and will never come up).

This unleashed a firestorm from activists, including death threats. It also sparked a fund-raising campaign by the owners’ supporters to raise money for them. In addition to the ramifications for this family and their business, and other business owners of like mind and faith, there is the fact that the rage against the state of Indiana has spooked its legislature into proposing added language to the recently-passed freedom of religion bill that expressly states it does not allow a business to refuse service to gay customers.

I have read several articles about the Indiana fix (such as this one, for example), and I have yet to understand whether it would protect actual wedding caterers and florists who are Christians and don’t want to work at gay weddings (as opposed to pizzeria owners answering hypothetical questions and being convicted of thoughtcrime) from having to do so or quit the business. The answer is: I don’t know.

What I do know is this: we are close to mob rule here. Unless there’s a rash of people denying service to gays—something no one seems to be alleging is occurring, although fear of it is the scare tactic being used—this is a restriction on liberty rather than an expansion of it.

Who are the people driving the campaign, and what do they want? I refer to them as “activists,” but I’d wager the group doesn’t represent all the people who have campaigned for expanded gay rights; it’s some unknown percentage of them. Also, some are probably not gay activists so much as people who hate Christianity; there certainly are plenty of those around.

Some members of the media were complicit in the stirring up of the anger, because the original statement of Memories’ owner was distorted by those who feed on this sort of thing (and I don’t mean on pizza):

Headline at Daily Kos: “Indiana pizza shop won’t serve gays, owner says ‘we’re not discriminating against anyone'”

Headline at Mother Jones: “Indiana Pizzeria Says It Will Deny Service to LGBT People”

The texts of both articles clarify that it was only about gay weddings, but the headlines are deliberately misleading and make it sound as though the proprietor won’t serve gays in general. Not that the distinction matters all that much to the more activist, to whom anything short of complete support of and participation in gay marriage is unconscionable. Also, expect a rash of gay activist couples to purposely go to florists, caterers, and bakeries known to be Christian, in order to get them on record and drive them out of business.

I have no problem with gay marriage, but I have a big problem with not respecting a mainstream religious belief that until a year or two ago was acceptable and accepted. Gay people who wish to get married in states where it’s legal to do so can choose from a vast multitude of people who will cater to them (literally) and would love to get their business. The rare person who will not because it is against their religion to be a participant in a gay marriage should not be forced into such participation against their will, or threatened for their beliefs, or forced out of business. Understand, also, that the war on devout Christians will not end with this. There is a great deal of rage out there.

71 Responses to “Pretty soon Memories Pizza may be just a memory”

  1. Artfldgr Says:

    they just made over 100,000 in donations that are flying to them for their position…

    on another note… what i posted:

    On November 9-10 there was a call to violence. a group of people and the government backing them decided to attack store owners for their religious beliefs. they came in teams, broke all the glass windows, painted rude signs, and all in all intended to force the people who worship into actions and positions they never wanted to be in.

    the left should remember it as it was one of the high points of socilaism, and leftist action in a collective sense..

    the event was called Kristallnacht, and it was1938

  2. neo-neocon Says:

    Artfldgr:

    Krystallnacht has definitely come to mind recently. See this.

  3. Surellin Says:

    Why would any self-respecting gay couple want their pictures taken or their cakes baked by people that (they imagine) dislike them? Wouldn’t the pics or cakes get screwed up?

    Kristallnacht. A charming image. Gahh. 🙂

  4. Janetoo Says:

    Someone on Hotair posted the 45 goals of the Communist Party from 1963. They were entered into the congressional record. It is CHILLING how many of these goals they have achieved or are the way to achieving quite soon. Google it. It will depress you.

  5. Artfldgr Says:

    Here is a solution.. .If its a Christian business, then act like one… make sure that every employee that has to attend the catering wears large crosses… the uniforms have crosses, etc… insure that your truck plays advert music, something nice, etc…

    make sure ALL your employees smile, treat them well, do a great job catering the event. then run an ad in the newspaper thanking them for their business and how your going to take their money and donate it to a fund against gay marraige.

    this will avoid the lawsuit that is the point of the attack
    and get them off your back.. the more they target your business, the more they fund their own opposition.

    Christians wont care that your employees wear crosses and or uniforms with such on it expressing your belief (just make sure that anything like that that is done is done for all, not just the homosexuals targeting your business and refusing to pick others).

    Christ did not say to persecute them, after all, that part of the bible is old, not the new, and the new puts forth treat everyone well whether you agree with them or not. MANY of those arguing do not have any idea of this kind of thing as they dont care to know and its convenient to bring up the old as if its current.

  6. Alan F Says:

    One of those guilty of thought-crime was a normally less articulate teenage girl. I am appalled at this and am not religious at all. I am a secular anti-progressive.

  7. Artfldgr Says:

    NEO Says: Who are the people driving the campaign, and what do they want?

    read “After the ball”

  8. Artfldgr Says:

    I posted the Kristalnacht thing in several places a short while ago, and then the references started popping up. sometimes things posted here pop up afterwards… so suspect that people read and think its good or not and then repeat it.

    another is a more sarcastic post of what comes next

    what comes next?
    forcing the amish to use power tools
    forcing the hasidim to use machines on fridays
    forcing people practicing santoria to use free range chickens
    forcing athiests to worship hillary clinton as their one god
    forcing bhuddists to make attachements
    forcing worshippers of Eris to make sense
    forcing scientologists to cloudy thinking
    forcing masons to desist using a level

  9. neo-neocon Says:

    Artfldgr:

    My question was mainly rhetorical. I’ve written before about who they are and what they want, for example here, just a couple of days ago.

    My interest in this particular post is what percentage of the gay marriage movement favors these tactics. The ones that don’t should start speaking out against them, but I think they’re afraid that if they do so, extreme wrath will be turned on them instead.

  10. Artfldgr Says:

    Surellin Says: Why would any self-respecting gay couple want their pictures taken or their cakes baked by people that (they imagine) dislike them? Wouldn’t the pics or cakes get screwed up?

    because the money that can come from suing the people that turn it down can fund a bridezilla type wedding…

  11. George Pal Says:

    Artfldgr,

    You are more than a font of information, you make a fine tactician.

  12. Artfldgr Says:

    snagged by the rhetorical again… rats..

  13. ritchieemmons Says:

    Perhaps the Christian owners of these bakeries and pizza shops, etc… should seek out other nearby bakeries and pizza shops that will cater to gay weddings and then designate each other as “sister stores.” When the gay couple (or totalitarian gay activist) comes into the Christian bakery to have their wedding catered, the Christian store would take the order, then simply give it to their “sister store” and have the sister store take it from there. That might be the best solution for these everyday Christians who don’t have the time or finances to risk what’s happening to Memories Pizza and/or just want to go on with their lives peacefully.

    I’m appalled that the governors of Indiana and Arkansas are buckling under the pressure from these gay “rights” totalitarians. If Mike Pence runs for the WH, he now will not be getting my vote in the primary under any circumstances.

    And for what it’s worth, not only am I not a Christian, I’m an atheist.

  14. Artfldgr Says:

    My interest in this particular post is what percentage of the gay marriage movement favors these tactics. The ones that don’t should start speaking out against them, but I think they’re afraid that if they do so, extreme wrath will be turned on them instead.

    you mean like the blacks that dont speaking out against the panthers, kill whitey, polar bear hunting, the knockout game, race war and that?

    fat chance…
    like the guy that comes into break up a fight, they are afraid both sides will attack them and just go back fighting.

    want to get the huxtable treatment?
    the count is near 30 now.

    and povre povre weinstein… hoisted by his own petard… couldnt happen to a better person..

  15. neo-neocon Says:

    Artfldgr:

    As I said, they are afraid. And it’s understandable that they are.

  16. neo-neocon Says:

    ritchieemmons:

    I don’t think that sort of bait and switch would satisfy, and I’m not even sure it isn’t some sort of breach of contract. Not to mention the difficulty of finding a store to farm the work out to.

    It’s certainly not necessary to be a Christian to support the right of the Christians to refuse to participate in gay weddings. I’m not a Christian, and I support it. Nor am I against gay weddings. But I’m against these tactics.

  17. neo-neocon Says:

    Artfldgr:

    Rhetorical is tough.

    There should be a special emoticon for it 🙂 .

    Actually, I just looked it up, and someone invented a punctuation mark for it centuries ago! See this.

  18. Gary Says:

    [Indiana Pizza restaurant owner said to a reporter] that although they serve everyone who comes into the place, if they were ever asked to cater a gay wedding they would have to politely decline… This unleashed a firestorm from activists, including death threats.

    Clearly I do not care enough about gays, minorities or the poor, because I have yet to issue any death threats on their behalf. These activists are a righteous inspiration with their “firestorms” of kindness, empathy and thoughtful concern for doing what’s right.

  19. expat Says:

    Maybe we should try to get Michelle to start an anti-bullying campaign. But then again, she would have to turn on her husband.

  20. Rufus T. Firefly Says:

    As Christians I’m sure the family that owns the pizzeria is familiar with Mark 13:13 and John 15:18.

    ritchiemmons, I like your approach. There surely are supporters of gay marriage and even gay couples who would respect the family’s right to their religious views and be willing to partner with them.

    For those of you not yet convinced of the argument, I encourage you to think about the idea of advocating government get out of all religion. The government has no jurisdiction over love, nor what consenting adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms. Social Conservatives did their share to fuel this firestorm by advocating for government intervention where it does not belong.

  21. Rufus T. Firefly Says:

    Excuse me, the above should read, “the idea of advocating government get out of all marriage,” not “religion.”

    I don’t understand why we accept petitioning a government magistrate to marry, heterosexual or otherwise.

  22. Ray Says:

    The characteristic emotion of the Leftist is rage and hatred of others. They want power over others.
    “Much that passes as idealism is disguised hatred or disguised love of power” — Bertrand Russell

  23. Elliott Says:

    Refuse to talk to the media. Your religious and political beliefs are your own. When some ass from Indianapolis shows up tell them you are busy WORKING! No one is obliged to tell them squat about anything except how do you want your order.

  24. Ann Says:

    Utah passed a law protecting religious freedom a few weeks ago that didn’t face such a firestorm. Anyone know why not?

  25. AMartel Says:

    My only objection to gay marriage has ever been its supporters.

    The No H8 campaign was all about hate. It was obvious then, and is coming to pass now, that state ratification of the union of two persons of the same sex who love each other was a maudlin and inconvenient side show to the main event of fueling moronloser rage and resentment against society. The angry demanders will not be satisfied, ever, and that’s a feature, not a bug.

  26. AMartel Says:

    “Refuse to talk to the media.”

    A lot of people are still (STILL!) operating under the assumption that the media is on their side.

  27. The original Mr. X Says:

    I remember a while back one of my friends wrote a post on their Facebook wall about how RFRA-style laws were an affront to human rights. I made a brief comment saying that freedom of religion is a human right as well, and the tidal wave of blind, irrational anger that came my way was more than I’ve ever experienced at any other time in my life. I hope this doesn’t sound too melodramatic, but it really did feel like being pursued by a lynch mob. If anything, the situation’s only got worse since then.

  28. Robin Tams Says:

    Yesterday I walked past a bar with this sign posted prominantly in a window, “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.” That sign has been there for years. Today I walked by the same bar and noticed that the sign had been removed; all that remained were the remnants of the adhesive that had held it in place. Yes Neo, fear is clearly in play now.

  29. AMartel Says:

    Rufus T. Firefly has the right idea – gov out of marriage. Gov only involved in ratifying marital unions for purposes of (1) encouraging marriage (and procreation) thru tax and other incentives and (2) protecting children (holding marriage partners accountable for their offspring). Neither purpose is served anymore by gov marriage. Marriage is a private matter between two people and their church, not two citizens and their government.

  30. Stan Smith Says:

    I would agree to cater the wedding and then proceed to offer soggy pizza, overbaked pizza, pizza with substandard pepperoni, and generally poor service. When answering the inevitable complaints, I would simply reply “This is what you get when you force someone to do something they do not wish to do.”

  31. CapnRusty Says:

    How about sign in the window: We Cater to Everyone -Even People We Don’t Like.

  32. Gary Says:

    On 3/10/15, Neo wrote about the firestorm sparked by a racist song sung by a few members of a U. of Oklahoma fraternity, and asked:

    I find the whole thing chilling. What’s next, thoughtcrime?

    My response was “Yes.” The pizza restaurant proprietors did not actually do anything, they just expressed an “incorrect” opinion. Welcome to Nineteen Eighty-Four, home of thoughtcrime.

    From Wikipedia’s article on “Thoughtcrime”:

    It is their [the Thought Police in “1984”] job to uncover and punish thoughtcrime. The Thought Police use surveillance and psychological monitoring to find and eliminate members of society who challenge the party’s authority and ideology.

    Sound familiar?

  33. Artfldgr Says:

    ritchieemmons, the question is not whether your an atheist, but whether your one of those militants who basically dont believe and so think others shouldnt believe. those are the only ones that people really have any negatives for… just as someone who loves strawberries and tries to make you love them too would not be liked.

    here is a interesting point from Pen Jillete (who is an atheist too, but a thinking one vs the others)

    “I’ve always said that I don’t respect people who don’t proselytize. I don’t respect that at all. If you believe that there’s a heaven and a hell, and people could be going to hell or not getting eternal life, and you think that it’s not really worth telling them this because it would make it socially awkward—and atheists who think people shouldn’t proselytize and who say just leave me alone and keep your religion to yourself—how much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize? How much do you have to hate somebody to believe everlasting life is possible and not tell them that?

    “I mean, if I believed, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that a truck was coming at you, and you didn’t believe that truck was bearing down on you, there is a certain point where I tackle you. And this is more important than that.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owZc3Xq8obk

  34. g6loq Says:

    As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

    We should know by now.

  35. Artfldgr Says:

    Rufus T. Firefly Says: Social Conservatives did their share to fuel this firestorm by advocating for government intervention where it does not belong.

    really? i guess your not familar with the famous tract that changed this by a feminist… “the personal is political” Carol Hanisch’s 1969 essay

    the ‘personal is political’ refers to the theory that personal problems are political problems, which basically means that many of the personal problems women experience in their lives are not their fault, but are the result of systematic oppression. In this respect, Hanisch is drawing heavily upon Marxism – the focus is off individual struggle and onto group struggle. – Feminism 101

    thats how you went from dont police the bedroom to give me birth control and pay for it, and dont forget to teach me how to use it, and dont forget to teach me about anal sex, loving BDSM, etc… and dont forget to do it before my first menses… and on and on and on..

    its also why nothing is their fault…
    including whats their fault

    dont worry though, they self exterminated…
    just read the news as to the population collapse
    its now so far gone that they cant hide it any more
    in 30 years they had so few babies, that the race they are associated with has declined to the point of being a minority and like south africa, they are going to be ended not raised up as a new minoroty that needs help. paybacks are a biatch..

    jews in germany had 14% of the population, but controlled 45% of the businesses.
    now look at this title

    White men are 31 percent of the American population. They hold 65 percent of all elected offices.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/10/08/65-percent-of-all-american-elected-officials-are-white-men/

    U.S. percentage of non-Hispanic whites hits all-time low of 63%
    For the first time, white deaths outpace white births.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percentage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772

    Census Bureau predicts: White people will become a minority in the U.S. within 30 years
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/census-bureau-predicts-white-people-will-become-a-minority-in-the-u-s-within-30-years/

    In 1960, multiracial marriages accounted for only 0.4 percent of all marriages in the United States. By 2010, that figure rose to 8.4 percent, with interracial couples accounting for 15 percent of all new marriages – a trend that experts say will only continue. — http://www.voanews.com/content/coming-demographic-shift-will-strengthen-us-culture/2701759.html

    The VOA piece was given the Orwellian title, “Experts: Coming Demographic Shift Will Strengthen US Culture.” What they mean by this is that the deliberately engineered demographic shift will erase US culture, so that it can be replaced by a multicultural utopia preconceived by cultural Marxists.

    It used to be genocide meant herding unwanted demographic sectors into gas chambers. But that was crude and inefficient. Simply diluting us out of existence can be done without mess — and incredibly, without resistance.

  36. g6loq Says:

    Here, what eventually will be:
    Defense of San Juan Cathedral From Topless Feminazis

    Very close, very personal …
    It’s happened before.

    TWICE!

  37. Artfldgr Says:

    Rufus T. Firefly Says: I don’t understand why we accept petitioning a government magistrate to marry, heterosexual or otherwise.

    because at its core, marraige is a contract..
    and those who dont follow religion, but want to enter into the contract, get civil ceremonies..

    The gays want to destroy religion, or else a civil union in which the law says the same perks from the state apply to both without difference would be ok… but its not… marraige is a religious concept, civil union is the state version of the same thing without religion

    they want to say they are married RELIGIOUSLY not we are married CIVILY… and they dont care if they destroy the church to get that asignation!!! they dont care if they actually belong based on tenets and all that.

    its as marx said, Groucho Marx.
    “I Don’t Want to Belong to Any Club That Will Accept Me as a Member”
    http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/04/18/groucho-resigns/

    while his intent wasnt to understand the kind of people under discussion, but it does fit. they dont want a civil wedding, there is no breaking of anything, and a cause celebre there… they HAVE to find places that dont want them to force them to be members.

  38. Artfldgr Says:

    and i figured that any one with the moniker rufus t firefly, would like the marx tie in.. 🙂

  39. Artfldgr Says:

    Ann Says: Utah passed a law protecting religious freedom a few weeks ago that didn’t face such a firestorm. Anyone know why not?

    Gov. Gary Herbert is a RINO…

  40. Artfldgr Says:

    Stan Smith, your idea would get you in even MORE trouble… look above your post at mine and there is a solution that is easy and has many variations that are acceptable…

  41. Artfldgr Says:

    up to 247,000 dollars for that comment to the news

    http://www.gofundme.com/MemoriesPizza

  42. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    “What I do know is this: we are close to mob rule here. Understand, also, that the war on devout Christians will not end with this. There is a great deal of rage out there.”

    Agreed. But there’s another side to that coin, there’s rage building up on the right as well. And unlike the left’s fire made of softwood, which though hot, quickly burns itself out, the fire smoldering on the right is made of hardwood. Hard to light but once lit, it burns fiercely and is of long duration. If we should ever go postal, we won’t stop till the job’s finished.

    “So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

    The left are petulant, angry children, playing with fire.

  43. Rufus T. Firefly Says:

    Artfldgr,

    I agree with you that the goal of many homosexuals is a religious ceremony and acceptance, and that is between them and the leaders of their respective religions. I am friends with two gay men who were married by their Christian church almost 3 decades ago and I have no problem with them or their Pastor. They are good men who do great work in their community and are a support to their families and loved ones.

    I understand the purposes of a “marriage contract” vis a vis the State. I agree folks should be free to file legal paperwork directing who can speak for them should they be medically incapacitated, who can inherit their possessions (including government distributions like social security), who can care for their children in the event they are unable (I even think plural assignees should be allowed. What business is it of the state if I want one person or a troika to decide if I should be revived from my coma?)

    But marriage? If a couple choose to refer to completing the above list of documents and filing them with the State their marriage, well that’s fine with me, but the lovely Mrs. Firefly and I did not consider ourselves married until a Priest, in a Catholic church told us we were. And what does it matter to me that a couple in the LDS church do not think our union is sacred since we were not sealed for eternity in a Mormon temple?

    And had the lovely Mrs. Firefly and I met on a deserted island as the sole survivors of a shipwreck and formed our family what right would it be of the US government to tell us we are not married upon our rescue, or that the Little Fireflies were not legitimate?

    A government has no jurisdiction over affairs of the heart between consenting adults. That is the only, true Conservative position. Limited government means limited government.

  44. Rufus T. Firefly Says:

    Artfldgr,

    I appreciate a man intelligent to reference any of the Marx Brothers; Groucho, Chico, Harpo, Zeppo or Karl.

    I appreciate your writings here and if you take umbrage with mine, well I suggest you take up a tax to have me removed. I’ll have you known I’ve been thrown off of nicer blogs than this! And, if you can’t take up a tax perhaps you can at least take up the carpet, but you’ll have to take up the tacks first.

    Now go and never darken my towels again!
    (At least you didn’t call me an upstart…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM01v_vVnbg

  45. g6loq Says:

    Geoffrey Britain Says:
    April 2nd, 2015 at 5:20 pmThe left are petulant, angry children, playing with fire.

    The parries:
    http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2015/04/this-culture-war-were-in.html

  46. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    “make sure ALL your employees smile, treat them well, do a great job catering the event. then run an ad in the newspaper thanking them for their business and how your going to take their money and donate it to a fund against gay marriage.” artflgdr

    Excellent suggestion.

    “My interest in this particular post is what percentage of the gay marriage movement favors these tactics. The ones that don’t should start speaking out against them, but I think they’re afraid that if they do so, extreme wrath will be turned on them instead.” neo

    Most definitely and no need to wonder, see this and this, the reaction has been both clamorous and vile.

    “Rufus T. Firefly has the right idea – gov out of marriage.” AMartel

    I agree with art as to the motivation of the gay activists and, as to why there are civil marriages. Since taxes, joint ownership of assets and inheritance are generally involved, for the irreligious some alternative to church marriages must be provided. Profitability would prevent widespread dependence upon private enterprise as an alternative to government and even in Vegas “you must appear in person before a clerk at a Marriage License Bureau location”.

  47. neo-neocon Says:

    Geoffrey Britain:

    I don’t wonder what percentage of gay ACTIVISTS favor this stuff. I’m wondering what percentage of gay people who are pleased at the opportunity to be married favor such tactics. I didn’t mean “activists” when I used the word “movement”—I just meant those who support it in general.

    That question is the question that has not been answered.

  48. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    g6loq,
    Thank you for another fine link, you’re on a roll. Daniel Greenfield is at the top of his game with this one;

    “This Culture War We’re In”

    I found this passage particularly noteworthy but the entire essay is very much worth reading.

    “The left is not fighting this as a war of ideas. It attacks the area of least resistance with whatever slogan or argument is most convenient at the time. Don’t debate its ideas. Indict its hypocrisy. It mocks the values of others, but demands that what is sacred to it be off limits. This is a weakness. Don’t defend your own values. Attack its values. You aren’t the establishment. You lost. You’re the rebels. Be rebellious. They are the owners. Wreck what they have made without counting the cost.

    The left is not an organic entity. It is a pyramid of organizations and institutions. It needs the support of billion dollar entertainment and media industries. Its community organizers need jobs with six figure salaries. The left is destroying a civilization that it cannot survive without. It is an artificial entity that is weak and vulnerable in ways that the organic systems it has declared war on, such as the family, are not.

    The left is not human. It is a system.

    It is a system of control. A system of organization. A system of indoctrination. Destroy the system and the left dies. Destroy the flow of wealth and the control of ideas and it withers.

    Like every system, the left seeks to control organic human institutions. It fancies itself superior to them when it is actually a parasite living on their backs.

    There are only two possible futures. Either the left will destroy itself. Or we will destroy it.

    The only question is the human cost of the struggle.”

  49. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    neo,

    My step-brother is gay and has stated that he doesn’t support gay marriage. But I’m fairly sure that he isn’t speaking out about it and in his silence, he condones the gay activists. Definitely a case of, “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

  50. Richard Aubrey Says:

    These clowns are annoying the red state folks. You know, the ones who think ATF should be a convenience store, not a government agency.
    Last I heard, the go fund was about $250k. If the net profit were $2 per pizza [I have no idea, do your own math] that’s the equivalent of selling 125,000 pizzas. How long would that take them under normal circumstances?
    Plus, they don’t have to shower the garlic off at the close of business.

  51. SteveH Says:

    Seems there’s a trend among the self proclaimed oppressed to become more obnoxious in their quest to be accepted. WTF? What have you gained if you get all the pizza in the world and nobody can any longer stand your militant ass?

    I was quite accepting of gays until all this. It never dawned on me that butt f—— could actually be one of their better traits.

  52. Sgt. Mom Says:

    This is another thing – like Chik-fil-A. Huge numbers of people went out on a certain day and had a fried chicken sandwich and fries. My daughter and I did – and we were amazed at the line which cheerfully wound about the store, out the door and down the side of the building. They told us that at lunchtime that day (we went in the late afternoon) that the line of cars to even get into the place went about half a mile down the access road.
    I think that there is a HUGE build-up of red-staters who are just tired of all this. Any opportunity to push back against the gaystapo – taken, cheerfully and in a mood of charity. I went to the go-fund-me site for Memories Pizza and made a small contribution. Both because I am cussedly stubborn, and don’t like to see another Teeny Business bullied out of existence, and because … well, when I had a bad patch, economically (employer died suddenly) there were people and fans of my blog who pitched in. I’m looking at it as ‘paying forward’. And doing what I can, as a part of the American Country Class insurgency.
    Last time I looked at the Go Fund Me for Memories Pizza, it was looking to close on 3,000. After a single day, and it looked like mostly small donations of 20$ or so. Wouldn’t it chap the gaystapo’s ass (in a manner of speaking) if donations hit half a million before Easter Sunday?

  53. Matthew M Says:

    If I find myself at a gay wedding, I think I will pass on the pizza.

  54. g6loq Says:

    Artfldgr Says:
    April 2nd, 2015 at 4:37 pm
    …It used to be genocide meant herding unwanted demographic sectors into gas chambers. But that was crude and inefficient. Simply diluting us out of existence can be done without mess — and incredibly, without resistance…

    Gramsci, Aikido, Go, Sun Tzu … Deflect, redirect … Irish Democracy.
    Going Galt.
    We too can play that game.
    It will require some level of deviousness.
    It will require disdain to set in in our … hearts.
    It has already started happening.
    Societal Consensus has left the room and she’s not coming back.

    As such, father of the only grandchild, I am not attending the 2015 family Easter gathering… No more of the loud cackling of the faghags for me … I choose the highway.
    It might be genetic. My paternal grandparents went underground in 1941. Great personal hardships…

    Sir, I am not obeying that order.
    Nice piece by Whittle as usual.
    However I am overall perplexed that nobody put their collective foot down way earlier in the process,
    John Wayne like ….

  55. Artfldgr Says:

    Rufus T. Firefly, no problem with me… say what you will or wont, dont let my explanations stop you… always something interesting… and i agree with your position, i was just explaining the general position. or the technical in that the argument between religious and the state in this case had to do with the benefits that the people wanted, not just the particular name. which i see no issue if it was a different word, meaning the same, but they seem to fund that unacceptable. as far as your friends that were married, i dont judge that way. i may comment, but a comment or belief is a long distance from some kind of negative action. regardless of married, or not, or i agree or not, its not an issue that requires anything but common human respect and decency.

    its not so much what the facts are, its what you decide to do with them that matters. the left tends to want to suppress facts because they seem to feel that the fact drives the action, but no the fact is just a fact, and drives nothing.

    funny that a lot of these enlightened views that respect things stem from the religion that so many of those who pretend enlightenment (of the western kind) want to destroy

  56. Richard Saunders Says:

    I’m very sad to say, it’s too late, folks. 75% of people under 35 don’t know that “free exercise of religion” is in the Bill of Rights. Another 20% don’t know that there is such a thing as the Bill of Rights. And the remaining 5% aren’t enough to preserve the country for the next generation.

    (I pulled those numbers out of the air, but I’ll bet they’re pretty damn close.)

  57. Artfldgr Says:

    this is the enemy
    https://img0.etsystatic.com/046/0/10537430/il_570xN.710479714_ph77.jpg

    history repeats… and those who are part of this, think they are on the opposite side of what they are on… and dont get it

  58. Beverly Says:

    That “Defense of San Juan Cathedral” was horrifying. Half-naked women screaming obscenities, spitting on the men, spray-painting them, hitting them, as the Christian men locked arms and kept praying aloud.

    The women looked demonic, and the men looked like suffering saints. What those women were doing has nothing to do with women’s rights: it’s of the devil.

  59. Artfldgr Says:

    The Founder & Executive Director of Indiana-based Red Giant Union has allegedly threatened to rob a Christian-owned pizza shop in Indiana because he despises their Christian religion.

    Austin Kasso posted on his own Facebook page that he is disgusted that Memories Pizza of Walkerton, Indiana, has raised over $100,000 on a GoFundMe.com page set up to help the restaurant get over the attacks on it fostered by the militant gay lobby and the media.

    But Kasso–the founder of Red Giant, a non-GMO food activist group–went further to vent his rage at Christians by going to the GoFundMe page to warn the pizza shop that he intended to rob them of the $100,000.

    http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/liberal-activist-threatens-to-rob-christian-owned-pizza-shop-over-religious-freedom-act/

  60. Artfldgr Says:

    HIDDEN CAMERA: Muslim Bakeries Asked to Make Gay Wedding Cake
    http://louderwithcrowder.com/hidden-camera-gay-wedding-cake-at-muslim-bakery/

    [could not check the vid first.. sorry]

  61. Artfldgr Says:

    A search on Google Maps for pizza parlors in the Walkerton area reveals that “Memories Pizza” has been replaced

    The description for “Gay Memories Pizza” — which has as its avatar “Gay Jesus” — links to the website http://www.gaybearfinder.com, a dating website for gay men.

    Almost all 192 (and counting) Google reviews have been written “in the last week.” Multiple one-star ratings have been uploaded by the same Google users. Predictably, some “reviewers” note that they have never visited Memories Pizza, and several do not live in Indiana.

    Almost all 192 (and counting) Google reviews have been written “in the last week.” Multiple one-star ratings have been uploaded by the same Google users. Predictably, some “reviewers” note that they have never visited Memories Pizza, and several do not live in Indiana.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416289/memories-pizza-just-memory-google-least-ian-tuttle

  62. SLR Says:

    Artfldgr Says:

    “The gays want to destroy religion, or else a civil union in which the law says the same perks from the state apply to both without difference would be ok…”

    Some do; others are along for the ride like ‘workers’ in the labor movement were in the past. Being used in the same ways to further another agenda. In this case; attacking the classical liberal concept of free association. If your a racist or a bigot for asserting a right to do business with who you want…. you can’t assert a right to control your own healthcare or other contractual choices….

  63. Dennis Says:

    g6loq Says 4:40 pm:

    “Here, what eventually will be:
    Defense of San Juan Cathedral From Topless Feminazis.”

    Those men who defended the San Juan Cathedral are heroes. So were the Mexican peasants called Cristeros. They faced the same anti-Christian hatred and bigotry 85 years ago and fought off the violent anti-Christian bigots. The anti-Christians made martyrs of many of the Cristeros but the Cristeros persisted and won.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristero_War

  64. Richard Aubrey Says:

    Among other things, the left dislikes intermediating institutions. They want the individual to be naked before the State.

  65. Rufus T. Firefly Says:

    Geoffrey Britain wrote:

    “I agree with art as to the motivation of the gay activists and, as to why there are civil marriages. Since taxes, joint ownership of assets and inheritance are generally involved, for the irreligious some alternative to church marriages must be provided.”

    Why? I choose to give Mrs. Firefly power of attorney and possession of my assets should I shuttle this mortal coil, and legal paperwork exists that codify those decisions, but one should not be forced to do so simply because two people are romantically involved. It’s true, 90+% of people who have children with another will do the same (at least until 1/3 or more separate), but just because that’s what a majority choose doesn’t mean the concepts are linked to romantic love, or marriage.

    Try the opposite. Let’s say my state legislature decides the Catholic church is bigoted since it does not perform homosexual weddings and a law is passed that Catholic Priests can no longer marry couples and any couple residing in my state who was married by a Catholic Priest must attend a ceremony presided over by a state appointed judge.

    Do you think Mrs. Firefly and I will have such a ceremony? (Hint: the answer is no.) Do you think we will not consider ourselves married if we do not? (Hint: the answer to this question is the same as the answer to the prior question.)

    Render unto Caesar what is Caesars. If you and others want to give Caesar jurisdiction over romance… Well, good luck with that.

  66. don Says:

    the GLBT community need to stand up to their own party’s activis to stop this kind of attack(bullying) to the basic right of anyone the doesnt agreed with their agenda. It will back fire when this gone too far. On the other hand, Memories Pizza should repackage to go on line for the public, I will order pizza from them.

  67. Harold Says:

    If you want to do something practical and stick it to the Gay Nazi’s goto the “go fund me” site and contribute a bit to the Memories Pizza fund.

    Dana Loesch (or a member of her staff) set it up for them so that they could remodel and reopen and not be destroyed by the Gay Nazi’s.

    Limbaugh started pushing it today and has gotten it up to over $700k. It would be nice if decent people got it up to one million.

    http://www.gofundme.com/MemoriesPizza

  68. Ymarsakar Says:

    So this is a political issue, not a war issue, but the Muslims killing Christians, somehow that’s a religious war….

    Time to connect the dots.

  69. charles (the other one) Says:

    “Mob Rule”

    Yep, that is what it is coming down to; reminds me of the news article the other day where a group of black men beat up a white guy on a St. Louis train when he didn’t answer their question about what he thought of the Michael Brown case.

    As, I have mentioned before – I’ve run into confrontations with blacks on the subway in the NYC area in just the last couple of years. Those starting these fights just seemed to be looking for a fight – it doesn’t matter what it is about. Just someone who is an “other” to them to pick on.

    Going after small mom & pop places is a part of their targeting the “other.”

    It makes me wonder if it isn’t due to frustration of their golden boy Obama turning out to be a dud and they don’t know how to handle the disappointment that he actually wasn’t the second coming?

  70. Component Assembly Says:

    Component Assembly

    neo-neocon » Blog Archive » Pretty soon Memories Pizza may be just a memory

  71. Ymarsakar Says:

    Have people connected the dots yet between the Muslim’s religious war against Christians and the Gaystapo’s war against Christians yet?

    No?

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