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For Memorial Day: on nationalism and patriotism — 16 Comments

  1. The Great Shrillary:
    1) On patriotism: “if you debate and you disagree with this [Bush] administration, somehow you’re not patriotic.”
    2) On sacrifice in war: “Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.”

  2. After I served in the 101st Airborne (during but not in Vietnam), I willing went along with the anti-patriotism of the cultural revolution. I started to come to my senses during the Reagan administration. I at least refused to vote for his Democrat opponents. Now, I see that humanity will always have warring factions. We need to be vigilant to avoid the excesses of nationalism while using it to defend our tribe’s interests.

  3. It is no accident that we still have troops in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. The people of those countries have benefited greatly from the sacrifices of the American military.

  4. Oh – yes, second the Shramm article. He seems to have been at CSU – Northridge shortly before I was. Small world …

  5. Fine link indeed snopercod.

    It is the Ying/Yang of it all. You can’t appreciate it if you haven’t tasted the other side.
    Here, the natives eyes a likely glazing over when he tells them ….

  6. “[T]he US is not Nazi Germany or anything like it, however much the far left may try to make that analogy.”

    Actually, it is the far left has become fascist.

  7. God bless America. But America is her people as well as her ideals. What (to borrow from Michelle) if for the first time in your adult life you are ashamed of your country? Ashamed that we have fallen so far. That our leaders have betrayed us, that we are so apathetic, that we are so willing to throw away our freedom.

  8. Opposition to patriotism tends to be opportunistic. Soviet nationalism was often celebrated by people who opposed American nationalism. The claim that Soviet nationalism was different, something universal, was rather silly. Yet many seem to have fallen for it.

    The idea that American values are universal is equally silly, but that is no reason not to celebrate them. They have served us well.

  9. Peter Schramm’s story is wonderful.

    I’ve heard that description of us before, that we seem taller, freer and more easy-going, more confident than other nationalities.

    Oh, how I wish that our congress critters and other pols would make the case for the American Way, for Freedom, for Dignity.

    Freedom most of all, the foundation of all the rest.

  10. The love to one’s own tribe is so deeply ingrained in human psyche that even the terrible experience of European wars cannot supress this emotion or purge it from public discourse anymore, even in Europe. We will see a ressurection of European nationalism in near future, and nobody knows how far this movement can go, up to complete dismantling of EU or unnatural European “nations” such as Belgium. Great Britain and Spain are already under treat of coming apart as Scottland and Catalonia are demanding national souverenity in referenda.

  11. European nationalism is already resurging. They’ve been exiled to the fringes of their own society, but their ability to live is still sustainable.

  12. Patriotism is simple love of country. This is the default position, like loving your family and parents. Anyone who does not love their country is a hideous creature.

    Only those who truly love their country can even transform it, and make it better.

    Obama hates his country. Liberals hate America. This is the main reason every liberal, and therefore the majority of democrats, are hideous creatures who never make anything better, and never will.

    They destroy, tear down, and transform for the worst only.

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