A very ominous sign
Suicide terrorists have killed at least 86 (probably more) at a Turkish peace rally in Ankara:
The explosion, which caused chaos and bloodshed, took place during a peace march involving, among others, the pro-Kurdish HDP, or People’s Democratic Party.
The casualties, reported by the interior ministry, consisted primarily of people gathered outside the main train station to attend a lunchtime demonstration to call for an end to the renewed conflict between the Kurdish PKK organization and the Turkish government.
Candidates for the perpetrators are Kurdish separatists or ISIS. I’d place my money on ISIS.
The prime miniester of Turkey had this to say:
Davutoglu called for three days of national mourning and urged the country to fight terrorism.
“This is an attack that does not target a specific group; it is an attack on the entire nation and (an) attack on our unity. Turkey is a country that has managed to maintain peace in the region,” he said.
Why would ISIS strike in Turkey now? Here’s one theory:
Turkey has avoided conflict with ISIS, perhaps in exchange for the release earlier this year of dozens of Turkish hostages seized in the Iraqi city of Mosul…
However, Turkey recently changed its stance and allowed the U.S. to launch strikes on ISIS from the Incirlik Air Base in southern Turkey.
The setting of the mass murder—a peace rally—is particularly ironic. These bombers spit on peace. Immediately, a phrase from this speech by an American patriot (in a different cause) came to mind:
Gentlemen may cry, peace, peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun.
And quite some time ago.
Here too.
I have a son in Turkey (Istanbul) for the last several years. An argument can be made that government hands could be on this. With an election in a few weeks Erdogan stands to gain in any further splitting of Kurdish Turks from the rest of the country. Also reported were that many ambulances were blocked from entering the scene of attack and prevented from helping by the police. Now there could be reasons for this such as fear that an ambulance could be a car bomb I suppose and I’m not saying I believe this theory of Turkish government involvement but an argument can be made for it. In any case, it is very sad and ominous situation. Those killed and maimed were part of the future for Turkey and there seems to be a very determined and planned effort to minimize their potential effectiveness. Isis never did claim culpability in the earlier bombing in the south of Turkey months before and that is unusual since they never seem to shy away from admitting their savage brutality. Such a terrible conundrum.
This has ISIS written all over it.
But, Erdogan and ISIS are, de facto, buddies.
He’s their tip top patron, and has been shielding them with his air force.
So, knowing how loopy and screwy Turkish politics are, it wouldn’t surprise anybody if the ‘hit’ were at the behest of Erdogan — and his latest political campaign to put his party beyond parry. ( ie he wants a super majority and a squeeze out of the hectoring minority )
Turkey already screwed with the US in 2003 over Iraq.
It’s why the military and political situation in Iraq was worse than expected. The 101st, if I recall, was promised Turkish military access to the north of Iraq, then it was suddenly pulled right before the invasion.
I thought at the time that they should have just punched through anyways and dared the Turkish Muslims to do anything about it.
Turkey was originally the Ottoman Empire. Meaning, the Turks are an ethnic group of nomads which came from the east, the steppes, similar to the Huns or the Mongols.
The Kurds are an ethnic population that was in Mosul, at least in 790AD.
The Ottoman Empire converted to Islam pretty early, I think, as it promoted their dynastic heirs and population/raiding controls.
So suffice it to say that there’s some deep war history going on in that region, and the reason why the Ottomans and the Muslim Turks killed off the Armenians is becaus the Armenians were directly north of the Kurds and were bred for war by fighting against numberless Islamic raids from Islamic Persia and Islamic Syria. The Armenians were the vanguard holding the southern and eastern borders of the Byzantine Empire, as it crumbled.
The Ottoman Empire was later dissected by the Europeans, but like the Euros are known to be, they didn’t do a competent job. The so called “secular reforms” of Turkey didn’t wipe out Islam. It merely made the government more secular and opened up conquered territory such as the Hagia Sophia, to become a museum. The Hagia Sophia can go right back to being a Mosque and nobody Christian, Armenian, Kurdish, US, or otherwise can say or do anything about it.
Well, That’s Turkey in a nutshell.
Ymarsakar Says:
October 10th, 2015 at 8:59 pm
Turkey already screwed with the US in 2003 over Iraq.
You mean the 4th American Infantry Division.
“The 4th was initially ordered to deploy in January 2003 before the war began, but did not arrive in Kuwait until late March.
The delay was caused by the inability of the United States and Turkey to reach an agreement over using Turkish military bases to gain access to northern Iraq, where the division was originally planned to be located. Units from the division began crossing into Iraq on April 12, 2003. ” CNN COM
Paris was deeply involved in this obstruction, it was later revealed.
The delay was caused by the inability of the United States and Turkey to reach an agreement
That’s how they explained Hussein bailing from Iraq too, no agreement.
Ymarsakar Says:
October 10th, 2015 at 9:09 pm
The Kurds are an ethnic population that was in Mosul, at least in 790AD.
Modern DNA sequencing indicates that the Kurds are about the closest genetic relatives to the Neolithic Hebrew population… with the implication that both had a common ancestor and both have been in the Middle East since the dawn of the Neolithic… or some place mighty close by.
Co-migration can fool the modern observer into placing events in the wrong locale.
It would appear that the Kurds were farmers and the Hebrews were pastoralists. This would entirely dovetail with the Hebrew experiences in the age of Moses before these pastoralists finally became farmers, too. ( the original ZIonists ) It was after Moses that the Hebrew nation became strongly associated with Judea and Israel.
The Kurds simply stayed put. The reason that they are still in the mountains is because that’s where the rain falls. Doh !
The Arabs entered the niche that was abandoned by the Hebrews — so far back — who knows ?
Many take the Arabs to be the successor population to that driven out of the Sahara when a climate resembling modern Spain turned into today’s desert. But that is still very much supposition. Ancient cadavers have been found deep in the Sahara, and their DNA will prove very illuminating, I should think.
The geological record is crystal clear: the Sahara was mighty wet 6,500 years ago… and had been wet for at least 3.500 years before that… ie the Neolithic era.
DNA also shows that the ancient and dreaded rivals to the Hebrews live on in one spot only: English speaking Malta. That’s not a nation — that’s a clan. They genetically hail from the northern Levant. All others died at the hands of the Romans.
Malta survived because it flipped sides early in the Punic Wars and never ever deviated from a pro-Roman posture. I’d also say that it’s an odds on bet that some ancient Maltese dialled the Romans in on Carthage’s naval technology. For the Romans went from being naval inferiors to superiors practically overnight.
So you can see why Jerusalem has always been tight with the besieged Kurds.
Saladin then, is an ironic victor for Islam. The blow back for the Kurds has been horrific.
The peace quote is biblical from jeremiah ×©×œ×•× ×©×œ×•× ×•×ין שלו×
blert Interesting back story. Most of my historical simulation models only start from 790 AD.
Since I don’t trust Authorities, Historians, and the other so called Elite Academics, I have to obtain my own methods of data and verification of it.
Extremely complicated and long running simulations has been pretty good.
It’s one thing to read about the Armenian genocide and an entirely another to re simulate the conquest of Anatolia from the pov of Otto, the Turkish war leader and conqueror. It’s one thing to read about the Armenians fighting Islam, and another thing to see their territory, women, and holdings continuously drained by raiding, slave taking, and border wars, until the Eastern Roman Empire, Byzantium, fell entirely.
By simulation, I mostly refer to computer simulators, but these are more like flight simulators than Gaia warming cultist computer models which they program to say whatever they want it to say.
Truly open ended simulations which take things to their logical conclusions, are hard to find. Although recently Research and Development companies have been using software on the net to solve certain chemistry issues.
Also, imagine a Kurdish Armenian alliance, in a “democratic” Turkey. It’s obvious why a Muslim Turkey would seek to depopulate their rivals.
That’s been a staple of Islamic Jihad since the 7th century at least. They raid your people, take your women, and kill all the males. They do this for 500 years and guess what happens when their army rolls over your territory?
You won’t have anyone left to fight them with.
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It’s rather astonishing, but geological evidence indicates that vast, vast, areas in the Sahara were fresh water lakes — larger than the Great Lakes of North America.
The ‘wet’ Sahara must have permitted immense herds of elephants. Today those many are reduced to a single clan – and mighty paranoid they are. For it was their ancestors that were hauled off to Carthage and Rome.
Ancient man had no way of getting at the Kenyan herds.
The wet period is best estimated at three and one-half millennia.
It must also be obvious that this drying occurred off to the east — in the Arabian desert and off into Baluchistan.
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The Indus Valley civilisation followed shortly after the hyper floods ended. These cascades — sourced from the super mountain range — have left a swath of disturbance that can best be seen from orbit.
The hyper torrent was 100,000 meters wide. The French have a word for such disturbed ground: coulee. The Indus coulee was, and is, the largest ever found. During the Spring melt, it had to be flowing at a tempo many, many, times that of today’s Amazon.
It’s not for nothing that Indus sounds like Hindus — for the Hindus ARE the successor population to those ancients. The problem for archeo-historians is that the Hindus have deliberately buried their craft art inside ritual structures — for millennia.
These, from time to time, fill up — and are sealed by Hindu priests.
One was opened by order of the national government a few years back. Inside it was discovered that the 19th Century writings seriously understated the amount of gold, silver, gems, that was ritually deposited in the vault.
It’s now plain as day that India has far, far, far, more gold and gems than the rest of the world. It stands to reason. India has been the primary importer of gold and silver going back just about forever. As in all the way back to the Indus Valley civilization.
What’s not appreciated is that today’s Hindus are nothing more than an unbroken chain back to that culture. Until the Muslims popped up, no-one, not even Alexander, was able to force their way in.
As gold and silver, what doesn’t end up around a wife’s neck – gets buried as an offering to the Hindu gods. ( One starts to see why the Muslims developed a taste for Hindu blood. ) [ Cha–ching ]
The ONE vault opened by the New Delhi government was not fully explored. But a snap estimate concluded that it had more gold than Fort Knox — it wasn’t even close.
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And with that, and some uproar, the vault was closed and re-sealed.
Unlike the Egyptians, the Hindus have been able to stop grave robbing.
Remember, even in Roman times, Indians were selling spices for gold and silver to the West. This demand never let up, and was the motivator for Henry the Navigator and Christopher Columbus.
Both really wanted to get to India. Chinese silk was of secondary importance. Neither realized that it was Indonesia that they wanted to reach. It, Indonesia, was constantly conflated with either India or China — based upon which intermediary was peddling the spices.
It took almost forever for the Europeans to find the real spice islands. The Romans never had a clue, yet they could’ve made the transit. They were sailing all the way to India, as it was.
Heh. Dummies.
If I were a terrorist, it would be the most enjoyable target. The purpose of terrorism is to spread terror – to hit a peace rally is effective strategy and not ironic (IMHO). I believe that Selco’s position was that we had to hit ISIS and hit them hard (perhaps Putin has people who follow his blog) to destroy them.