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More on “Truth,” the movie — 33 Comments

1. Witness the collusion of the Leftist alliance. Their members cover for each other, no exceptions allowed.

   If you damage one hydra head, it will merely regenerate in time.

   There is “final victory” against evil, but that is not to say evil cannot be killed. It just takes them awhile to regenerate after being killed. However, nobody has killed the Left in this country for a long, long time.

2. Correction, there is no final victory against evil.

3. It’s an odd thing (but seems to me correct) to say that there is always some element of truth even in every untruth. This has something to do with the nature of truth though, and that is crazy strange when we get down to it — reflecting the crazy strangeness of being.

4. In the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist of the activist game, narrative is elective truth. And the actual truth is just another narrative that must be competed for the zeitgeist like any other narrative.

5. this flick will be on Demand option in about 2 weeks ! LOL

6. Bush derangement syndrome is a *chronic illness*

7. this flick will be on Demand option in about 2 weeks ! LOL

   Nearly tax free income for the Left, still. And that’s not counting the international sales.

8. N. Machiavelli, Prince, ch. 15, “Of Those Things for Which Men And Especially Princes Are Praised or Blamed”:

   It remains now to see what the modes and government of a prince should be with subjects and with friends. And because I know that many have written of this, I fear that in writing of it again, I may be held presumptuous, especially since in disputing this matter I depart from the orders of others. But since my intent is to write something useful to whoever understands it, it has appeared to me more fitting to go directly to the effectual truth of the thing than to the imagination of it. And many imagined republics and principalities that have never been seen or known to exist in truth; for it is so far from how one lives to how one should live that he who lets go of what is done for what should be done learns his ruin rather than his preservation. For a man who wants to make a profession of good in all regards must come to ruin among so many who are not good. Hence it is necessary to a prince, if he wants to maintain himself, to learn to be able not to be good, and to use this and not use it according to necessity.

9. Ymarskar,

   Yes. That’s why reading Neo’s blog is frustrating.

   There are frequent correct diagnoses of the problem which should result in conception of effective solutions for the hydra. Yet prescriptions are consistently deflected to one secondary head of the hydra – conventional electoral politics – which contradicts the logical inference from the diagnoses of the hydra that electoral politics are insufficient on their face to effectively counter the hydra.

   Thus, the market inefficiency underlying the Trump phenomenon. Participatory politics are more than electoral politics, yet the Right purposely shies away from the fundamental, activist elements of participatory politics.

10. sdferr Says:

    “It’s an odd thing (but seems to me correct) to say that there is always some element of truth even in every untruth.”

    usually in the better ones that some people actually believe.

    This one is just a forced history rewrite. Ah la Orwell.

11. Do you recall Ymarsakar the fellow Lefty colleagues of Rather *created* some sort of
    *exemplary newsman* award they concocted to
    salve the profoundly *hurt* feelings of their elder statesman ! (how Soviet of them )

12. Granted, in the sense you intend SLR where “better” means “effective lie” because believed, although “always” and “usually” are kinda at odds, no? I mean, it’s either always or not always: don’t see any way around that.

13. Molly NH: “Bush derangement syndrome is a *chronic illness*”

    It’s a fundamental cornerstone of their Narrative.

    That’s why for Republicans, it’s vital to vigorously rehabilitate Bush’s image – even now – by at least setting the record straight, even by those Republicans who don’t agree with all his positions. Because it’s about more than Bush and his positions. It’s about competing the Narrative contest for the zeitgeist.

    Conceding a piece of the Left’s narrative on Bush in a misguided individual attempt to move past an issue, differentiate, or seek common ground merely reinforces the Left narrative that is a cornerstone of their social cultural/political advantage.

14. Eric:

    Absolutely right! Thanks for the reminder.

15. Yet prescriptions are consistently deflected to one secondary head of the hydra — conventional electoral politics — which contradicts the logical inference from the diagnoses of the hydra that electoral politics are insufficient on their face to effectively counter the hydra.

    Thus, the market inefficiency underlying the Trump phenomenon. Participatory politics are more than electoral politics,

    That’s why internet terms like “cuckservative” have begun re-adapting to current mysterious trends which nobody could explain well.

    Trump is merely the beneficial of a movement that was already exacting scalps from the Left, before he switched parties.

    In 2008, what you said about people being distracted by electoral politics was spot on. Maybe even in 2012. Lately, though, I have noticed a difference. One that is beginning to reach Critical Mass.

    I am unique in this sense, probably because I did the exact same test in 2007, and it came up zero more or less. Oh there were conspiracy theorists, 9/11 truthers, and tin foil hat wearers, but they weren’t useful allies. They had no idea about the true nature of the Left and they had no assets, tactical or otherwise, to use against the Left. Now it is different. I have seen evidence of tactical and strategic overturns by anti Leftists, not Leftists, but anti Leftists, people who the Left normally railroads over.

    That kind of membership is useful. Tin foil hat wearers that have no power or will to do anything against the Leftist alliance, were useless to me.

    (how Soviet of them )

    They are all married to each other. The Soviets also used marriage as a way to maintain loyalty, amongst oversea operatives.

    To Eric, if you want to look at economic warfare against the Left, consider the the gaming industry and the independent book publishing industries. If you don’t know anything about those fronts, then you can’t really complain much about a blog that specializes in politics, talking about elections. It’s natural for people to specialize, but that doesn’t mean everyone is doing the same thing.

16. The best propaganda is 99% truth, 1% deception.

    This converts it easily from 1+99=100 units of deception, via a transformation equation.

    Most people are only capable of half and half though. They aren’t good enough at the art of propaganda to transform at higher efficiencies.

    Polls, CBS interviews with Sarah Palin, debates, propaganda posters on Facebook, all have exact ratios between truth and deception, or truth and falsehood, light and darkness.

    The white lie, the lie via omission, and other softer techniques are also available. For example, how many casualties did the US suffer in Iraq every day from 2003-2007? How many casualties did the US suffer in Afghanistan from 2009-2015?

    The MSewerM, by omitting one of the two, and focusing on he former over the latter, distorts and manipulates people. That is propaganda. Truth about the numbers, don’t actually matter. In fact, if the numbers are true, it just makes the propaganda more effective.

17. One of the strategies I’ve thought of over the years to slit open the hydra’s stomach and starve off the heads at once, rather than merely trying to get enough firepower to kill all 1000 hydra heads at the same time, is this:

    Since a lot of people in the world fear or dislike or whatever about America, such as China, nationalists of other stripes, and Russian Orthodox leaders, I’m just going to make that weakness into a virtue.

    Since we want to get rid of Leftist traitors anyway, but moving actively against them is an issue, forwarding a proposal to world leaders about how best to setup a boycott of American movies, would be interesting. combined with a 50%-100% luxury tax on American movies, it would create an interesting challenge for Leftists in Hollywood. It may also destroy a lot of jobs, but in a war sacrifices must be made.

    This is the other side of Deception, as in Weapons of Mass Deception, of which propaganda is merely one true or artistic expression of. Using your enemy’s interests to improve your own power base, should be taken at all times where the risks are acceptable. And if Putin or China thinks this benefit favors them, they might even offer concessions as a result. It’s a two fer.

    The Chinese get to export more of their martial arts movies like Wing Chun whatever, and we get to cripple Hollywood in the rest of the world.

    Most of the world has little idea of how exactly our sub cultures and systems run. Just as we have only a macroscopic notion of how other countries work. Well, even if you ask Americans, 50% of the time they’ll tell you something interesting about how they think the American Constitution is made up of.

    Now given, that’s actually a useful way to exploit people’s ignorance. Because if people see America sacrificing the “imperial” exportation of various movies, they think it is a concession because why would a patriotic, nationalistic, imperial power allow countries to blockade and boycott our movies?

    Because those movies are made by traitors, which they can either figure out or not.

18. Ymarsakar Says:
    October 14th, 2015 at 12:24 pm
    Witness the collusion of the Leftist alliance. Their members cover for each other, no exceptions allowed.

    well yeah… that was since the meetings i detailed that happen every few years… one of them, if you bothered to read was their putting aside differences to support each other to get rid of the main enemy before they would return to their discordant ways.

    i have listed it out several times…

    another to read about is the World Congress of the Comintern [which died out, but really was continued under a new name]

    Geoff Eley summed up the change in attitude at this time as follows:

    By the Fifth Comintern Congress in July 1924… the collapse of Communist support in Europe tightened the pressure for conformity. A new policy of “Bolshevization” was adopted, which dragooned the CPs toward stricter bureaucratic centralism. This flattened out the earlier diversity of radicalisms, welding them into a single approved model of Communist organization. Only then did the new parties retreat from broader Left arenas into their own belligerent world, even if many local cultures of broader cooperation persisted. Respect for Bolshevik achievements and defense of the Russian Revolution now transmuted into dependency on Moscow and belief in Soviet infallibility. Depressing cycles of “internal rectification” began, disgracing and expelling successive leaderships, so that by the later 1920s many founding Communists had gone. This process of coordination, in a hard-faced drive for uniformity, was finalized at the next Congress of the Third International in 1928

    a later thing had as its subject a consolidation of all the different factions into converging on one goal

    one of the more interesting parts of this is the details of Fronts… of which modern feminism was a front as well (to fulfill marx goal of being able to tax womens work rather than let her family gain from it without the state getting their share)

    Communist front organizations were set up to attract non-members who agreed with the Party on certain specific points. Opposition to fascism was a common theme in the “Popular Front” era of the mid 1930s. The well-known names and prestige of artists, intellectuals and other “fellow travelers” were used to advance Party positions. Often they came to the USSR for propaganda tours praising the future. Under the leadership of Grigory Zinoviev the Comintern established fronts in many countries in the 1920s and after

    To coordinate their activities, the Comintern set up international umbrella organizations linking groups across national borders, such as the Young Communist International (youth), Profintern (trade unions),[36] Krestintern (peasants), International Red Aid (humanitarian aid), Sportintern (organized sports), etc. Front organizations were especially influential in France, which in 1933 became the base for Communist front organizer Willi Mé¼nzenberg. These organizations were dissolved the late 1930s or early 1940s.

    actually they were not dissolved any nmore than the NKVD, KGB, FSB, were signs of those organizations dissolving. they just went away from using the common terms that signaled communism that people grew to know and so avoid. like endings of TERN, or LEAGUE, etc… (of course many will protest that league doesnt mean that, but then there is the league of nations, the communist league, and i can list well over 100 organizations that used that as the signal, the way liberal, peoples, etc mean the same today and clue others as when to cooperate, who to seek help from, who to donate too, and all avoid the idea of someone actually giving orders in a conspiracy… )

    i have brougt up Mé¼nzenberg several times before without much discussion coming from it. but then again, most have no idea who or what that was or did.

    i thought his innocents clubs would strike a nerve, but that never happened given the norm of incuriousness

    The age-old question: fools or knaves?
    Obama to world: it’s okay to violate sanctions
    Obama’s abilities

    are three of neos posts i pointed him out.

    i could never understand when those in the know write articles like: Liberals Descend from Munzenberg’s “Innocents’ Club

    Liberals Descend from Munzenberg’s “Innocents’ Club” ~ “The descendents of the ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ are still hard at work in our universities and colleges…Munzenberg ranks with Edward Bernays and Josef Goebbels as one of the three great masters of propaganda in the twentieth century. Henry Makow

    he is so good you dont know about him!!!
    his life is fascinating and its amazing his name is not known much outside communist circles.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willi_M%C3%BCnzenberg

    his career and influence was huge, but eventually, like most communists, they fall out of favor, then… something happens.

19. They are all married to each other. The Soviets also used marriage as a way to maintain loyalty, amongst oversea operatives.

    glad you mentioned that Yarmarskar, because that was why i wanted neo to read the change story of freida utley, which no one did… (so i cant talk about it with them, can I)…

    but yes that is very true what you said.

    among lots of other stuff people didnt know or have conveniently forgotten…

20. Ymarsakar your posting like i used to…
    what happened, caught the “desease”
    heh 🙂

21. The Left’s need to rewrite history is exhausting. It’s how they get away with it.

    I have no doubt that this movie will, A] Make hardly any money at the box office, but, B] Take home many awards.

22. Ayn Rand had a pretty good solution to this problem.

23. They are quite successful at rewriting history. In 1992 Dan Rather had presidential candidate Bill Clinton on CBS 60 Minutes. Rumors had surfaced about Bills sexual escapades and Dan spent almost the whole hour on that topic. After the interview, Dan solemnly informed the audience that all those stories were just lies spread by Bills enemies.

24. Being Dan Rather is hard…
    Who can forget our collective shock and bewilderment when we opened the New York Times and learned of the event? October 1986. A cool evening, upper Park Avenue, in the Eighties. Newsman and reservoir of trust, Dan Rather, dressed casually, walks home from dinner at a friend’s house. Two well-dressed white men in their thirties–one six feet tall, with dark hair and a mustache–accost Rather, one of them demanding to know, “Kenneth, what is the frequency?” “You have the wrong guy,” Rather replies. One of the men responds with a punch to the newsman’s jaw, under his left ear. Rather flees into the lobby of a building on Park Avenue, and the thugs pursue him, punching, kicking, badgering Rather repeatedly with the strange query: “Kenneth, what is the frequency!”
    A doorman rings for the super, the super bursts upon the scene of the cruel interrogation, and the attackers flee. Mr. Rather is briefly hospitalized. The attackers are not caught. Their motives are unknown. It is presumed a case of mistaken identity. …
    I’d rather not!

25. You wore our expectations like an armored suit, uh-huh
    I couldn’t understand
    You said that irony was the shackles of youth, uh-huh
    I couldn’t understand

26. Ymarsakar your posting like i used to…

    Pretty sure yesterday or two days ago, you were posting 5 in a row, each about as long as Neo’s main OP. So it isn’t like you “used to”.

    Nothing I’ve covered here is beyond the framework of my pov in 2007. There were some new developments which I couldn’t and didn’t predict, but they just weren’t around when I was looking. For me, nothing much has changed. To the world and other people, everything has changed.

    One thing that has changed is that now that people have been connecting the dots on their own, it’s worth it now to explain some things which I avoided explaining in much detail some odd years ago. That’s because it was pointless describing all this when most people were still Normalized, as in they’ll consider it crazy. Many people within the normal imagination box will still consider it crazy, of course, but there’s been a minor critical mass reached so far.

27. http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/19/the-judgment-of-history-takes-time/

    Just as a reference, this is what the disgusting traitors were mooing about back then, if you read the comments.

    http://neoneocon.com/2007/10/24/why-did-it-take-so-long-to-install-general-petraeus/

    Also a way back look at 2007 surge days.

    The last peace period before the Left’s counter offensive to use traitorous forces in the US to pull another victory for their allies, Islamic Jihad.

    Part of the “truth” isn’t about what is going on now, but what went on before, that people have reconstructed or distorted. Without a solid root in the past, there’s little possibility of people figuring out the “truth” in the future. Because if they can be conned once, they can be conned twice. And thrice.

28. http://neoneocon.com/2007/11/28/hierarchies-of-responsibility-picking-and-choosing-in-the-blame-game/

    Got another one, just look at these sub humans gloating about their eminent victory in Iraq. Which will soon be a total defeat for the US armed forces that is.

    How many people would die in such a withdrawal? There is indeed a risk that fighting could escalate, though predictions of mass killing of the kind that’s gone on recent years are surely overblown. Why are people who’ve been insisting for six long, brutal, deadly years that we’re meeting with “success” in Iraq now arguing that a withdrawal would occassion a bloodbath. Can’t they see the contradiction?

    And, as any child could tell you, there is a big difference between bad things you make happen and bad things you allow to happen. It’s called responsiblity and supporters of this war spend more of their time evading it than anything else.

    Agents of the Left do the Left’s bidding, even though only the top level leaders like Hussein, have a real idea of what the Left is doing.

    Just look at them lecturing us as they gloat with Ayers, toasting the Fall of Saigon. That’s the “truth” people don’t want to face. Not anything abstract that goes on in Iraq, no. These are people right next door almost. That’s what people don’t want to face.

29. Maybe I’m just getting old but it seems like the interval between an actual event and Hollywood rewriting history keeps getting shorter and shorter.

30. Obama’s effort to ‘nudge’ America
    The government tried using behavioral science to shape people’s behavior. Here is what happened
    http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/10/obamas-effort-to-nudge-america-000276

    also, the left is furious that now the left is deleting their posts and things on bernie or hillary and so molding the publics view through censorship, and they dont get that this is what socialism, and these things are all about. control through various devices and methods that vary based on how much power they wield (which is why their saying, we dont have X is silly as X would be in a state of total power, not in one in the middle with a lot of power working towards total power. the despotism comes after power is secure, not before when the fetus is fragile)

    so its hillarious to see them not understand what they are supporting and instead blaming the companies. but remember, under glieichshaltung they are marching with the statists, and are not some evil other than the candidates on the left.

    do they really think that Sprachregelung is limited to just customary ways of saying things without censorship to insure the right messages?

    wait till they wake up, and are all quisical and then wonder, what did we do to ourselves? and then they find out that they cant go backwards (the point of gliehchaltung), protest or even have a meaningful say if its not what the power in state wants.

    they cant bo back
    ever see somone turn a pickle into a cucumber?

31. ever see somone turn a pickle into a cucumber?
    They try:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-spent-billion-on-government-image-2015-10

    The recent disclosure that the Department of Health and Human Services contracted with a public relations firm to try to enhance “messaging” with reporters has renewed a long-standing controversy over the propriety of spending taxpayer dollars to enhance the government’s public image.

    A Congressional Research Servicestudy last year discovered that at the very minimum, the Obama administration had spent a total of $4.4 billion on outside advertising contracts between fiscal 2009 and 2013, including $892.5 million in the final year.

    $4.4 big ones ….

32. Power directly translates into wealth for the Leftist alliance. That’s why electing Democrats may not be such a good idea for people who think the Golden Age will last even a single year after Bush II or 2000 era.

    I learned much about Islam from 2001 to 2008, although some of the more classical and ancient history was only uncovered at around 2012. I also figured out much from experience debating with Leftists and watching them perform human sacrifices, transforming human blood into wealth and power. That was an interesting trick their hydras had.

    But what allowed me to understand both in synergy with the other, was when I combined the methodology of the Islamic Caliphate system with the Leftist alliance of 1000 mini headed member factions.

    They are much alike. Perhaps too much alike. There are differences, as others have noted, where Leftists armchair generals and Starbucks sniffers/sippers, lack the WIllpower to do wetwork compared to Islamic Jihad. But then again, Islam has a billion people, and only a few of them are willing to go “nuclear” and cut up people in the streets. The rest are either cowards or they prefer being alive and rich.

33. Steve57 ,

    Their C4 is getting better, and that might be increasing their OODA cycle rate for planning and carrying out operations, which means their reaction speed on all propaganda fronts is now shorter. The anti Leftists have done much to catch up using Command, Control, Computers, and Communications.

    Islam used to have Caliphs that directed the unity of Islam’s might and raiders for sex slaves. But they still do the same thing, just on a more distributed level, de centralized. The Left is much like that, which is why it is almost impossible to tie Planned Profit’s corruption directly to Democrats that benefit from the money laundering. It’s too de-centralized. Even RICO might have issues attacking that network.

    My research concerned the benefits of C4 or insurgency cell based organizations, vs more centralized C4 networks. Currently it looks like we have two layers of unified command hierarchies at work. There’s the bottom up hierarchy and then there’s the top down hierarchy.

    So all the benefits of an insurgency, with all the benefits of an occupation army, combined together. Could be the new way of utilizing 4th gen warfare.

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