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  1. Khaled Abu Toameh tweets: “Hamas’ Ismail Haniyeh: ‘John Kerry is a terrorist.’ ”

    I laugh of course, but it is odd to find myself very nearly in agreement with a high Hamas official on the bald implication of the proposition: for John Kerry merely by opening his mouth terrorizes many a man today on the strength of his profound stupidity.

  2. The so-called Syrians aren’t fleeing anything. We knew that.
    And they are “Syrians” just like our illegals are “Hispanic”. Syrian is a new generic for a brown-skinned, two-legged leech. We should start calling the “Hispanics” the new word.

  3. So zero was learned from the Tsarnev brothers ?
    According to the Leftys? Of course, * They werent given enough love*

  4. Perhaps the pollsters sampled the wrong people. They apparently missed the widows and orphans whom Obama plans to admit into the USA.

  5. So 41% of Syrian ‘refugees’ hate Israel and/or America…

    While 20+% of American Muslims support violence against those who insult Islam. 20% of 3 MILLION…

    The future consequential result is obvious. Only how many innocent Americans are going to die or be maimed remains onknown.

  6. The towel wrapped to tight forces of death have turned away from the expensive and time consuming attacks. Paris is the new model. Inexpensive, low tech, and given the levels of infiltration now flowing into the West, relatively easy to pull off. When the infidels fear the mayhem can happen everywhere, all live in fear, impotent under the PC leadership of most Western countries. They have our number.

    The boychild and the rest of the usual suspects bleat that Paris (and now PP) are preventable by disarming me and 100+ million law abiding citizens. They make ugly, disparaging remarks about their fellow citizens who do not sip the kool-aid. This will not end well.

  7. I do not find these numbers surprising in any way. I will post again, as I have been doing for several years on every appropriate post on every blog, this link to an aggregation of what Muslims themselves have had to say all over the world, including the United States. It lists surveys and polls mostly performed by left-of-center orgs like Pew and Gallup, and quite clearly shows that significant minorities to large majorities of Muslims believe in concepts totally incompatible with modern Western Civilization, to wit:

    – the refusal of Muslim immigrants and “refugees” to assimilate into their host’s culture
    – the desire to install Sharia law, with its limb-chopping and stoning, as the law in the entire Gaia
    – support for terrorism to “promote” Islam (some PR, eh?)
    – support for both al Qaeda and ISIS
    – support for the 9/11 attack on NY
    – belief in taqiyyah (lying) to further Islam
    – criminal sanctions, including the death penalty for apostasy, heresy and homosexuality
    – support for honor killings
    – etc, ad nauseum.

    Here’s a YouTube video where an Arab Christian named Bridgette Gabriel takes apart the notion of the “moderate” middle of Islam – “The Peaceful Majority of Islam is irrelevant”

    Rather distressing that we’re inviting them to come here by the boatload, when most are illiterate or have only read one book in their life, the Koran, and have literally no job skills that translate to success here. The ones already here are heavily implicated in the reigning professions in their home cultures – graft and corruption: mortgage loan fraud, lottery fraud, insurance fraud, selling fake documents, welfare, food stamp, Medicare/Medicaid fraud, and more.

    The clash between Western Civilization and Islam is the defining battle of this century or longer. I fear hundreds of millions will die before it’s over, and if they win, that’s just the beginning.

  8. Frog,

    To fire the first shot makes you a target easily demonized. The left must be allowed to initiate. CW2, if it starts, can only be won by the right side if the military/LEOs refuse to disarm us. Start shooting first and you risk the support of those sworn to protect the Constitution. In jujitsu one not only anticipates the attack; one embraces it as a gift.

  9. Parker: Agreed.But even in jujitsu one must venture onto the mat, and are we there?
    I am not ruling out the possibility of seeking their first volley, as long as it’s more than throwing legal briefs wadded up..

  10. One is always on the mat, even in sleepy Iowa. That is my advantage, after decades of training and now solely as an instructor (a form of adult education) I maintain 24/7 the awareness of the relaxed alertness of stepping onto the mat. Unarmed combat is a joy. I enjoy young macho men looking up in suprise after the first time I throw them to the mat and the sincerity of their pats on the mat to signal they want release from a painful joint pin.

    The harder they come, the harder they fall is more than a reggae song. 😉

  11. I use martial arts sparring and mat training to get used to non lethal force.

    Lethal force level training is in a separate compartment.

  12. So should we be scared by this? I think many of the Syrians may not even know who ISIS is, they just know people are blowing up things and committing horrid acts.

    Remember things like newspaper and news broadcasts aren’t easy to come by for war refugees. Newspapers stop publishing because its unsafe and lack the resources. People rely on getting news from neighbors.

    During the second Iraq war and Afghanistan, many soldiers found out that the people had no clue why America was in their country. Some didn’t even know what Afghanistan was – they were so cut off from the news and had no clue there was this unified country (these were some of the rural parts mind you).

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  14. Fallout Shelter, the poll also asked them if they were following media on ISIS related events. 40% very closely and 37% somewhat.

  15. How will people like thus handle such an agressive influx??

    But advocates of the “safe spaces” phenomenon say this is not the expression of hypersensitive, mollycoddled youth, but rather the development of a movement that is advancing the goals of racial and sexual emancipation.

    “People say, ‘In my day we were tough’,” said one female Harvard student, who asked not to be named. “Well no: your generation was racist and sexist. We are changing things — this is what progress looks like.”

    The student angrily criticised those citing “cuddly toy” safe rooms and oversensitive proscriptions of certain terms. These are the extreme, “frivolous” examples, she said, and distract from the main purpose of the project, which is to change culture in a way that better accepts ethnic minorities and people with different sexual orientations.

  16. I’m find the support of mainstream Jewish organizations – of which I’m an active participant — in the US of arabic-speaking refugee resettlement absolutely mind-boggling.

    As if there isn’t enough antisemitism here already…

  17. As long as the imported terrorists focus their terrorist attacks on the staunchest of Obama/Democrat supporters, it is not my problem.

    Republicans who live in suburbs or exurbs, and who don’t fly on airplanes much, frankly, don’t have to save the lefto-nuts from themselves…

  18. It took 19 vetted moderate muslims just over a year to organize, train for, and conduct a terrorist attack that killed almost 3000 Americans.
    What could possibly go wrong letting in a couple tens of thousands additional moderate muslims?

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  20. These people are anti-bodies to our American values and institutions. Our politicians are just plain crazy, what the devil is wrong with us to have such little respect for our own selves and our heritage to incite and invite our own cultural death.

  21. “. . . what the devil is wrong with us . . . [?]

    Could it be that there is far too much ill-defined ‘culture’ at foot? Although I believe it’s doubtful we’ll look there, however, for we’re far too self-satisfied as a “modern” (i.e., know-it-all) people to burrow down into the depths already reflected in Plato’s cave metaphor. He didn’t know shit, see?

  22. sdferr Says Could it be that there is far too much ill-defined ‘culture’ at foot? – in response to “. . . what the devil is wrong with us . . . [?]”

    “People say, ‘In my day we were tough’,” said one female Harvard student, who asked not to be named. “Well no: your generation was racist and sexist. We are changing things — this is what progress looks like.”

    Now where did this liberal pomo feminist get her marching orders from and what can oppose the monolithic?

    Who defines and dictates what is PC? not men, not immigrants, not even politicians as they try to be what that one group dictates… who controls our very speech, what is mean, and what has now spread to other areas under its support? [i DARE you to find another power base that can do this and does follow the same line]

    Lets listen to a tributary off the fountainhead of ”
    feminist philosophers” from website of the same name.

    Calum Miller writes in the Huffington Post:

    This is not about us. It is not entirely clear whether we would suffer from increasing our refugee intake. But suppose we did. How could we possibly lose anything close to what these families would gain from being here? And how is it that our being lucky enough to be born into affluence could possibly justify not sacrificing some of that for those born into warzones? How can we talk so much about our own economic growth and yet ignore the families torn apart around the world, who come humbly to us, knocking on our door for help? Economics is important. And practical politics is important. But it is all worthless if it is not put to the service of those who need our help most desperately.

    So the feminists dont care if there are gang rapes, murders, mass killings, its all about the hairsuite and the povre povre people who suffer so much and make her feminist life meaningless.
    [edited for length by n-n]

  23. some Really important reading:

    Remember that Sweden is held up as the iconic utopian place of feminist success… [given what the ladies above say, this is not opposed much other than more sensible people who dont let ideology control their thinking]

    Sweden: “No Apartments, No Jobs, No Shopping Without A Gun”
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-30/sweden-no-apartments-no-jobs-no-shopping-without-gun

    During the last few decades, Swedes have had to get used to the government (left and right wing parties alike) prioritizing refugees and migrants above native Swedes. The high tax level (the average worker pays 42% income tax) was been accepted in the past, because people knew that if they got sick, or when they retired or otherwise needed government aid, they would get it.

    Now, Swedes see the welfare system failing them. More and more senior citizens fall into the “indigent” category; close to 800,000 of Sweden’s 2.1 million retirees, despite having worked their whole lives, are forced to live on between 4,500 and 5,500 kronor ($545 – $665) a month. Meanwhile, seniors who immigrate to Sweden receive the so-called “elderly support subsidy” — usually a higher amount — even though they have never paid any taxes in Sweden.

    Worse, in 2013 the government decided that people staying in the country illegally have a right to virtually free health and dental care. So while the destitute Swedish senior citizen must choose between paying 100,000 kronor ($12,000) to get new teeth or living toothless, a person who does not even have the right to stay in Sweden can get his teeth fixed for 50 kronor ($6).

    [more at the link]

    Sweden: 14,000 Illegal Immigrants Disappear Without Trace
    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/sweden-14000-illegal-immigrants-disappear-without-trace

    Of the 21,748 people who have been given deportation orders by Sweden’s Migration Agency last month — the largest number in history, by the way — 14,140 are registered by police as “departed” or “wanted,” the Swedish website The Local reports.

    “We simply don’t know where they are,” said Patrik Engstré¶m, the head of the national border police.

    It is unknown how many of the missing are still in the country or may have left for elsewhere in Europe. The rest of the illegals are either in refugee centers, in custody, or living in separate accommodations they have arranged for themselves, awaiting deportation.

    [more at the link]

    and icing on the cake:
    Russia bans George Soros charity as ‘security threat’
    http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/30/russia-bans-george-soros-charity-as-security-threat.html
    Russia has banned a pro-democracy charity founded by hedge fund billionaire George Soros, saying the organization posed a threat to both state security and the Russian constitution.

    In a statement released Monday morning, Russia’s General Prosecutor’s Office said two branches of Soros’ charity network – the Open Society Foundations (OSF) and the Open Society Institute (OSI) – would be placed on a “stop list” of foreign non-governmental organizations whose activities have been deemed “undesirable” by the Russian state.
    [more at the link]

  24. The Doha Institute poll reads a little differently than you represented it, Neo. They were asked what they saw as the greatest threat to the security and stability of the Arab region, and given the following choices:

    Israel
    U.S.
    Iran
    Islamist militancy
    The weakness of the state
    Absence of democracy
    Economic difficulties

    That’s “Islamic militancy”, not “Islamic terrorism”. Big difference. I’d probably answer Iran over Islamic militancy. So there are two problems: it wasn’t 10% that said that Islamic terrorism is a great threat, it was 10% that said that Islamic militancy is the greatest threat.

    As for the low support for airstrikes, well, the majority did support them. A sizable minority opposed them. I could understand having mixed feelings about an aerial attack on my old neighborhood, knowing that some of my neighbors haven’t left yet. And it was 31%, not 33%, who opposed the stated objectives to “degrade and ultimately destroy ISIL”. That number seems scarily high, but that doesn’t necessarily indicate support for ISIL.

  25. Nick:

    Actually, “militancy” is the PC word used by the BBC, Reuters, et. al. instead of “terrorism.” Since the entire article on the poll represents a translation of the poll’s original wording, and I assume they were queried in Arabic, we have no idea what the wording was. The site I read about it, that summarized it, used the word “terrorism,” but there was no discussion of translation issues or the exact words used in Arabic.

  26. I took the word “militancy” from the link you provided, which I think goes to the original polling data. But you’re right, it is always a problem with foreign polls or multi-country polls, trying to figure out what was really asked.

  27. Nick:

    Did you go to the site I linked to above to check out all the polls and surveys of Muslims worldwide: Muslim Opinion Polls: A Tiny Minority of Extremists?

    If you want to see “scarily high” that’s a good place to start and it clearly shows that significant minorities to large majorities of Muslims hold beliefs, attitudes and values that are totally incompatible not only with Western Civilization, but pretty much with civilization itself.

    Another link in my comment takes you to a video where an Arab Christian states an inescapable logical truth – that the majority of people in Russia, Germany and China were peaceful yet that did not stop their governments from slaughtering 30 million, 20 million and 60 million people, respectively, ergo, even if the majority of Muslims are peaceful, that is irrelevant to the destruction and death the rest of them are causing, and will cause in the future. (see above paragraph for confirmation.)

  28. Which I don’t recommend. I recommend the politicians and prime ministers/presidents listen to the people. The article above talks about a woman who was murdered in Ikea by a “migrant”.

  29. neo – In a proportional system, which is what they have for elections to the Swedish Rikstag, 20 percent is huge.

    In 2014, the Sweden Democrats won 12.9 percent of the vote — which made them the third largest party in their parliament. (That was up from 5.7 percent in the previous election.)

    If they continue to draw that many voters, they might be the second largest party in their parliament, after the next election.

    Which might come soon, since it looks to me as if the Social Democrats are vulnerable to a no confidence vote.

    (As I recall, the center-right parties, which had been in a governing coalition for some years, were unwilling to make a deal with the Sweden Democrats. But if their support keeps growing, that might change.)

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