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Is free speech dead in Scotland? And what about privacy here? — 17 Comments

  1. As far as I am aware, and as of a couple years ago, there is no free speech right in Great Britain that transcends the legal ability of Parliament in its ordinary course of events to abrogate it.

    Even if the UK did enshrine a bill of rights, as I understand there had been talk of doing, it would not so far as I can see stand in a transcendent relation to Parliament, as Dicey observed the US Constitution stood in its constraining relation to the acts of Congress.

  2. It’s a tough one.

    If you implicitly trust the government to practically never abuse its power and you believe that offering them unmitigated access like this could prevent another 911, it’s pretty easy.

    Converesly, if you believe that the government is highly corrupt and not to be trusted with such power, it’s also easy.

    But if you believe that the reality is far more complex, that even though some corruption can and does happen in our massive bureaucracy, by and large the government (esp. law enforcement and the military) is trying its best to keep us safe, it becomes a question of where to draw the line.

    Look at the IRS scandal, it demonstrated that the IRS is a clearly politically corruptible entity. Or the Fast & Furious scandal. Or the Benghazi scandal. That people abuse government power to achieve a political ends is hardly new, but it’s still scary. Is it scarier than thousands dying due to a terrorist dirty bomb explosion that perhaps could have been prevented with some critical information was lost on some iPhone?

  3. The FBI missed it.

    Such a backdoor would mean that EVERYONE on the planet resisting oppression would be easy prey for their police states.

    Red China
    Russia
    Iran
    Saudi Arabia
    et. al.

    The needs of the planet out weigh the needs of the FBI…

    Especially since their argument is really centered on ECONOMICS.

    The NSA surely has methods to crack this one particular iPhone.

    No-one doubts that.

    1) The original bit-stream can be downloaded off of the iPhone — and replicated over and over… and over and over.

    2) These perfect copies can be brute force attacked to spill the beans.

    Even if this or that virtual iPhone locks up… you still have the ‘original magic bean’ growing in your digital garden.

    The FBI’s headache is that such efforts are a PITA.

    That’s ALL.

    Further, the missing moments are — at this point — merely tidying up of the case.

    The social network that these two fanatics crawled on has surely been doped out by now.

    It’s not as if they had contacts that were ONLY phoned during the magic missing minutes.

    Indeed, I’d bet serious money that they didn’t call ANYBODY during the magic minutes.

    Instead, they were rolling around scoping for easy targets — at the exact same time that they were finding cop cars coming from every point of the compass… Blues Brothers style.

    They’d already made their valediction.

  4. I saw that story too and was also disturbed at the potential implications. I searched high and low and what the man said is apparently not available. If his comments were truly egregious, publishing them would act as justification.

    Which makes probable that they were not an incitement to violence and were instead a protest against the UK government program to ship in 1000 migrants to an island with a total prior population of 6,298… Residents who are in the main elderly, while the majority of migrants are young men.

    There are a number of stories across Europe of dissident opinion being repressed through a variety of methods.

    The migrants in Europe are also being purposely agitated by far left ‘open borders’ groups. In Calais, France an open borders group has declared Calais’ migrant community a “journalist free zone”…

    In the UK, Muslim activists have started to publicly call for a ‘Palestinian style intifada’… to bring down European governments.

    It occurred to me this morning that Western Europe is engaged upon a path whose coming dhimmitude will force the resistant to migration Eastern Europe nations into the arms of Russia. An embrace from which they are not likely to escape a second time.

  5. I might add that the NSA is not supposed to help the FBI domestically.

    So the FBI really ought to phone GCHQ in London… or Ottawa.

  6. Beverly,

    Yes, its appalling and news of it is purposely being repressed. It’s not just Calais either, it’s happening across Western Europe. Nor can it be stopped, since Europe’s majority will ignore it, excuse it and attack those who speak out against it, until its far too late.

    It is literally civilizational suicide.

    Europe is following the path of the pacifistic “Moriori”, almost completely wiped out by New Zealand’s Maori. But unlike the Moriori, of whom the British rescued the very last, (in conquering the Maori)… Western Europe will only escape their Muslim conquerors, if at some later point, Russia decides to absorb Western Europe.

    Oh the tragic irony, America saved Europe from the Nazis and the Soviets but could not save Europe from themselves.

  7. Europe is quite keen on putting the clamps on free speech.
    Mama Merkel was at an event with Zuckerberg & she demanded to know how he was going to rein in anti invader
    hate speech on Facebook. I visit the site Spiegel, Lefty drivel
    of course but at least there was comments section that let opposing views be posted…..ppfft….that was done away with
    about the same time Merkel accosted MZ. Yet a conservative gov in Poland which wants to restrain. Lefty media there is getting a huge push back & scolding from the EU accusing them of Commie censorship behaviors!

  8. Nonapod addresses the dilemma; its all a matter of do you trust government to do the right thing. Team obama burned that bridge.

  9. I remember well the trial of popular novelist Michel Houellebecq for alleged “hate speech” over something a character in one of his books said. My (then)wife was French, a big fan of Houellebecq, and we followed the whole business very closely.

    I think I can almost quote by memory what the character said. “All religions are stupid, but Islam is the stupidest.”

    It might be mentioned that Houellebecq (pronounced “Well-uh-beck”) no longer lives in France. A review o his latest novel, SUBMISSION, was on the cover of the Charlie Hendo magazine when the editorial staff was almost entirely assassinated. SUBMISSION portrays a near-future France where a Muslim has just been elected president. It develops that in order to continue to teach at a university, you must now be a Muslim. Our hero submits.

    This submission is compared to the submission of O in STORY OF O. Anyone who as read this notorious book about utter and complete sexual bondage will understand what this means.

    But how many members of the American intelligentsia here, pretty much all atheists and secular humanists, would not convert?

  10. Unfortunately, truth is not a defense against libel claims in Great Britain. Up until a few years ago, people would take advantage of this fact by filing libel claims in British courts against American authors whose books were sold in the Isles. Congress put a stop to this, though.

    The sad fact of the matter, and as absurd as it sounds, is that truth might currently only be a defense against libel and slander claims in the US right now.

  11. The Daily Beast (link @ drudge) is reporting that “Apple Unlocked IPhones for the Feds 70 Times Before”…

  12. The FBI doesn’t want Apple to unlock the phone this time. What they want is a software program that will turn off the “fail to input the pin correctly ten times in a row, and your data is wiped” security feature. With that, they can brute force hack any iPhone they want.

  13. Don’t worry, the UK laws will never be used against Muslims and that’s the main thing, right?

  14. Iowahawk pointed out that Apple is like a bank that refuses to open a safety deposit box for the police, and the FBI are like police who want a master key that will unlock any safety deposit box. Irreducible conflict here. How about the feds give the phone to Apple, Apple works its magic on THAT ONE PHONE, the feds get the info and everybody is happy?

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