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Update on the Michelle Fields story — 40 Comments

1. As if this election couldn’t get any more bizarre, I actually heard more excuse-making on this very incident from Omarosa (a woman who apparently needs no last name), one of Trump’s most famous contestants from The Apprentice:

   http://www.mediaite.com/tv/omarosa-on-violence-at-trump-rallies-you-get-whats-coming-to-you/

   And now Ben Carson has endorsed Trump? Really disappointed in him.

2. Sorry, but this is a soaking wet doughnut of a story of the he-said she-said variety at this point unless the purpose is to reiterate what’s been said about Trump lebenty-leben times. Or just to say what a baaaaaad person Trump and all those about him really are.

   As Don Surber has pointed out: “The party needs to accept the verdict of the voters, unite, and defeat Hillary.”

   12th debate, 12th Trump win. It’s over

   http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/03/12th-debate-12th-trump-win-its-over.html

   Not, perhaps, at all what one was hoping for before the voters voted…. but the voters have voted and does so fairly consistently.

   http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2016/03/12th-debate-12th-trump-win-its-over.html

3. ” I’m wondering whether he’s ever tracked back anything in his life.”

   I don’t think his main battle tank has a reverse gear. You gotta remember he’s from Leo Durocher land.

4. vanderleun:

   Well, if the party does as you say, and “accepts” the “verdict of the voters,” it would have to conclude that well over half of the GOP voters do not want Trump. I would say that the party should heed the wishes of 55-70% of the people who vote in GOP primaries.

   I’ll accept that, and I’m not even “the party.”

   And although I’m fully cognizant that Trump might indeed become the nominee, why on earth should I accept Don Surber’s word that it’s already happened?

5. vanderleun:

   You also write: “this is a soaking wet doughnut of a story of the he-said she-said variety.”

   Actually, video and witnesses take it very far out of “he-said she-said” territory.

   Nor is it a “soaking wet doughnut of a story” to people who actually are trying to evaluate Trump and who and what he is, both as candidate and possible nominee and possible president. That’s what I’ve been trying to do for a long time, and I care about the answers and would think my readers should, too. Now or course Trump’s supporters think, and would have you and everyone else think, that this is “a soaking wet doughnut of a story.” Most of them wouldn’t care if his campaign manager murdered Michelle Fields in full view of the cameras—they would say she had it coming and anyone who doesn’t agree needs to “get over it.” But that wouldn’t make it unimportant, nor is this story unimportant. It may end up as unimportant, because Trump supporters don’t care and there are a lot of them.

6. This incident is really a microcosm for many Trump supporters. Regardless of Trump’s role in this matter, Breitbart will not abandon him even though its own employee was attacked. Trump backers don’t care about his history or poor character. It is all about the idea of Trump the candidate.

7. The “verdict of the voters” = Winner of contest. It doesn’t matter that 2, 3, 4, 5, N others make up a bigger percentage.

   As for: ” Most of them wouldn’t care if his campaign manager murdered Michelle Fields in full view of the cameras–”

   That’s just pure political overload talking.

   Fields story is unimportant . There was two days of Twitter War over this but not it is over and gone and the vast beast of the voters and the observers are on to the next outrage and the one after that…

   As for Don Surber, he’s pretty canny. Has been for many decades. Not always right but certainly worth heeding.

   As for last night, Doug Adams (NOT a Trump Supporter) scores it as a “Capitulation” as in —

   “The GOP candidates for president had a boring debate last night. My one-word summary is “capitulation.” Based on the energy on stage, it seems they stopped fighting. That means Trump can stroll to the nomination, assuming Florida goes as expected.

   “Trump’s only objective at the debate was to avoid looking out of control. He said in advance that he could do so easily unless the other candidates attacked him. And then his opponents did not attack him. That’s acceptance of the final result. Capitulation.”

   http://blog.dilbert.com/post/140857419526/gop-debate-scorecard-march-10-master-persuader

   As I indicated above I am not pleased in general that Trump is the presumptive nominee, but I also do not share the view that he is the anti-christ of American politics.

8. “Nor is it a “soaking wet doughnut of a story” to people who actually are trying to evaluate Trump and who and what he is,”

   I would think that the “trying” phase of evaluation is long over at this point.

9. After all, if Ben Carson can endorse how can Trump possibly be the anti-Christ?

10. The key thing is that Trump is a weak guy who can’t do the right thing when times get tough. His bluster is all a front and he has no conception of true strength. Watch “High Noon” again and you will see he’s no Gary Cooper. He has never put himself at the slightest risk for others, including his own brother’s kids.

    For all the Trumpkins, this should have been handled by a polite and gracious apology for any misunderstanding. But Fake tough guys can’t do that.

11. vanderleun:

    Some people have just started “trying,” or are still “trying.” And when we evaluate people, everything that person does is part of the evaluation, which is always ongoing.

    That doesn’t mean I haven’t come to conclusions about Trump; of course I have. But new information should always be factored in, whether it tends to further implicate as guilty or absolve a person.

    What’s more, you are incorrect when you write that “The ‘verdict of the voters’= Winner of contest. It doesn’t matter that 2, 3, 4, 5, N others make up a bigger percentage.” In fact, the nominating rules state that a person must have at least half the delegates to win the nomination. Although it is technically possible for a person to reach that many delegates without a majority of the votes (due to some winner-take-all primaries), in practice the idea of the current rules is to assure that the candidate is in fact backed by a majority of voters. The rule is meant to assure that the actual “verdict” of the majority of voters is followed, and delegates are allowed to go to another candidate or a fusion ticket if the frontrunner does not receive that majority.

    The political repercussions of such a move by the Republican Party could be very bad, it is true. But those are the rules, and that is the intent, and it is clear that the intent was to comply with the majority of voters, or close to it. Trump is not nearly at that level at the moment, although he certainly might reach it in the future.

12. The video does not show C.L. yanking M.F.’s arm. It shows the crowd moving left to right and it shows C.L.’s arm going out with him off balance and leaning forward in the direction the crowd is moving. If he had grabbed her arm with enough force to yank her down then she would have fallen in front of the ss agent. Yet the agent continues to move forward as does the rest of the crowd without stopping. You would have to be blind or deranged from TDS not to see this.

    The audio is no more evidence of anything than Crystal Magnum’s testimony in the Duke Lacross case.

    We know she’s a fabulist from the photo you posted of the framed photograph of her falling over. She claims that the cops shoved her to the ground while in that photo she was clearly being helped to her feet.

13. Ummm, woman you don’t tell me I’m incorrect. That’s an offense to my Religious Freedom, you liberal turncoat.

14. boxty:

    The audio was made at the time, by newspeople there (I’m not sure whether it was Fields’ audio or someone else’s). Are you suggesting the whole thing was some sort of prearranged plot between Fields and Ferris, and events just happened to fall into place, and so they therefore had their dialogue falsely implicating the campaign manager? That’s a pretty weird level of conspiracy theorizing, if that’s what you think. The audio was taken during and after the incident, and features her question to Trump at the beginning. It’s not some later testimony.

    As for your interpretation of the photo and the videos, I don’t see it and most people don’t see it that way. I have already said many times that the photo of the police incident is unclear, which it is, and that we also don’t know what Fields said happened in that police incident (we only know what Lewandowski said she had said, and as far as I can tell he provided no link and no evidence of it).

    The video about the Trump incident is somewhat ambiguous as well, but the evidence so far is that Lewandowski certainly touched her and is probably the one who threw her down. By the way, in one his tweets he denied ever touching her.

    Here’s more video, slowed down. See also this article about the video.

15. vanderleun:

    Well, then I’ll just say that you’re WRONG 🙂 .

16. I just want to note that the comment above:

    “vanderleun Says:
    March 11th, 2016 at 5:40 pm
    Ummm, woman you don’t tell me I’m incorrect. That’s an offense to my Religious Freedom, you liberal turncoat.”

    Was not made by me but by someone else who is manipulating the comment software. You need to look into that. Thanks.

17. “Trump is not nearly at that level at the moment, although he certainly might reach it in the future.”

    The very near future.

    As the now often wrong Nate Silver has it:

    Ted Cruz Might Still Be Able To Stop Donald Trump
    All he needs is for Rubio to drop out three weeks ago.

    By NATE SILVER

18. Neo,

    Until C.L. admits guilt, then I’m saying he didn’t do it. The slow-mo doesn’t show him grabbing her arm, only that his arm is outstretched. If he had grabbed her hard enough to nearly knock her off her feet and leave such strong bruising, he would have had to do it right in front of the ss agent. But the ss agent kept on walking and didn’t miss a beat.

    There are people that carve swastikas into their skin to claim victimhood. She would not be the first reporter to lie about their experience to garner “street cred.” In fact, she’s been accused of doing that more than once.

    The audio doesn’t sound like someone who has been traumatized. If someone grabbed you that hard, wouldn’t you at least yelp out loud? Show me one report of someone claiming they heard the yelp.

    You won’t beat Trump like this.

19. boxty:

    Note that I haven’t said he’s guilty. I’ve said I don’t know, but what I’m really criticizing is Trump’s reaction to blame Fields and call her a liar. I notice that you have ignored that issue.

    As far as your statement that I “won’t beat” Trump this way, how absurd. Do you think I actually think I can “beat Trump”? I don’t delude myself that I have that sort of influence. Nor do I tailor my remarks here with the idea that I am elevating “my” candidate and deflating my detested candidate.

    I try to speak the truth. I try to call them as I see them. You may have a different agenda.

20. vanderleun:

    Did you actually read the Nate Silver article? The title was somewhat of a joke, although true.

    What Silver actually says is that Cruz would have probably been the frontrunner if Rubio had dropped out 3 weeks ago. I agree, and have been basically saying that for several weeks. Silver also says this:

    Cruz, who won Idaho on Tuesday while finishing second to Trump in Michigan, Mississippi and Hawaii, is within striking distance of Trump. So far, 29 percent of Republican primary voters have voted for Cruz as compared with 35 percent for Trump. Meanwhile, Cruz trails Trump by 100 delegates: not a trivial gap, although only one more than the 99 at stake in winner-take-all Florida next Tuesday.

    The problem for Cruz is that Florida and the rest of the calendar probably aren’t as favorable to him as the states that have voted so far. (Florida looks like a Trump state as Marco Rubio loses ground.) But Cruz does have a few things going for him. He’s tended to outperform his polling almost everywhere. He’s won states in all four major regions of the country. And he potentially stands to gain if Rubio and perhaps John Kasich drop out.

    The exit polls in Michigan and Mississippi asked voters who they’d pick in a two-way race between Trump and Cruz, also giving them the option to say they’d sit out the race. Among Rubio voters, on average between the two states, about 75 percent said they’d still vote in a Trump-Cruz race, and of those, 80 percent would prefer Cruz to Trump. Kasich voters were somewhat more equivocal; 55 percent said they’d still vote, and of those, two-thirds would go to Cruz over Trump. Although this is the first time the exit polls have asked about one-on-one matchups, the results are consistent with national polls showing Trump losing ground as the field winnows, as well as exit polls in previous states showing Trump being unpopular with Republicans who aren’t already supporting him.

    Basically, Silver says Cruz could win, although it’s not likely, and it would probably help if others drop out.

    That’s my position exactly.

21. boxty:
    “She claims that the cops shoved her to the ground while in that photo she was clearly being helped to her feet.”

    Is this purported to be the actual moment she was knocked down and was falling, or the moment or two after when they were pulling her back up?

    To you, a Trump supporter, she “clearly” is being helped to her feet by the friendly cop. To me, a Cruz supporter, she “clearly” has a strong look of fear and distress on her face, and the cop behind her looks none too friendly.

    “Clearly” our respective biases are informing our conclusions.

22. Well, like my grandpappy used to say (and Silver should heed), “Hope in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up first.”

    Seems Nates gotten a leetle bit more conservative after sayin:

    “According to our final polls-plus forecast, Hillary Clinton had a greater than 99% chance of winning the Michigan primary.”

    He’s also the now famous author of: Why Donald Trump Isn’t A Real Candidate, In One Chart

    “At FiveThirtyEight, we like to celebrate outliers. LeBron James’s Cleveland Cavaliers may end up losing in the NBA Finals, but James’s performance has been outlandishly good. In the same vein, I want to congratulate Donald Trump, who reportedly will declare today that he is running for president.

    Trump is the anti-LeBron – popularity is performance in politics, and Trump is the first candidate in modern presidential primary history to begin the campaign with a majority of his own party disliking him. A whopping 57 percent of Republicans have an unfavorable view of Trump, according to an average of the three most recent polls. That beats former record holder Pat Buchanan, who had a 43 percent unfavorable rating at this point in the 2000 election cycle.1 Buchanan, of course, ended up running as an independent.”

    Which of course he’s had to walk back a bit. But of course he’s a polling sooper genius so he’ll certainly get a lot of things right.

23. This is not an isolated incident.

    There are a number of reports of people being shoved and punched at Trump rallies. I saw a video today of several men shoving a woman back and forth at one of his rallies. I hope no one gets seriously injured.

24. geokstr:

    Then look at the crowd around her. Do they look like a crowd in the middle of a scrum? And notice all the cameras. You think those cops are stupid enough to shove reporters around for no reason?

    I don’t know who this Charles C. Johnson is but he’s claiming M.F. has a history of lying:

    http://gotnews.com/calling-bullshit-michelle-fields/

25. boxty:

    If you don’t know who Charles C. Johnson is, there’s always that novel, revolutionary approach, with which you might not yet be familiar—GOOGLE!!

    Here you go. All you ever wanted to know about Charles C. Johnson but were afraid to ask.

26. boxty:

    From the video, it certainly seems as though there was some baton-swinging going on, and witnesses who helped.

    Also see this.

27. vanderleun,
    Don Surber? Who dat?
    Don Surber can suck my balls.

28. Neo-neocon said:
    “Basically, Silver says Cruz could win, although it’s not likely, and it would probably help if others drop out.

    That’s my position exactly.”

    I read that article this morning, and disagree with Nate’s assessment of the upcoming races. With the exception of the Northeastern states, I think Cruz has the advantage in every Western state.
    This may come down all the way to California, and Cruz has the advantage there too.

29. 1) Now that charges have be filed, why not wait for the investigation? 2.) The video and audio information appear to support Fields, but are not conclusive. 3.) Much as been made of the Trump campaign’s handling of those who attempt to disrupt his carnival shows. But you don’t have a 1st amendment right to attempt to shout down and disrupt the rally, and you should expect to be escorted out. Although Fields was not engaged in disruptive behavior and should have been dealt with in a respectful manner. 4.) It is Trump’s reputation and swaggering demeanor that make Field’s accusation credible, but I will wait for the investigation before passing judgment. Even el trumpo has a right to the due process of law, no matter how much he is prone to misuse the rule of law.

30. An admirable and restrained attitude, Parker. One that won’t be reciprocated by Trump supporters, who have already taken to maligning Fields and Breitbart.

31. Matt SE,

    I am well aware that trump and his barbarian horde will not offer reciprocity. But I am a rule of law type of guy. Let the trumpsters malign all they desire, sooner or later it catches up. Trump is no hitler, hitler was smarter than trump, and perhaps a tiny bit more sane.

32. Is Trump leading a clandestine movement to hijack the Republican Party? That seems to be what Limbaugh is getting ready to expose. Today he spent better part of an hour detailing a Ditch and Switch effort that has already got 46,000 Democrats to switch parties in Pennsylvania, with thousands more in Ohio and Illinois following. The next shoe to drop will be connecting Trump directly to this effort.

    Republicans have been had, as some of us always suspected. This is Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos in reverse. He wouldn’t be reporting it unless he already believes it’s true.
    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/03/11/are_trump_democrats_for_real

    If what Limbaugh is suggesting proves out, a lot of Trump’s antics make sense in that he is purposely damaging the image of the Republican Party.

33. On this incident, all it probably would have taken is acknowledgement and an apology. That the Trump campaign cannot “stoop” to that is no longer surprising. That Breitbart waffles on it, first eating their own, then backing their reporter, also not surprising, but it hits to the center of their credibility on any level of objectivity (such as it was/is).
    .
    My prediction is that Trump supporting blogs will have lost all credibility either in the lead up to the election or shortly thereafter, and lose readers soon after that when politics is no longer so “hot”.
    .
    Those who sat on the fence and won’t criticize or question Trump (cough…Limbaugh…cough) will also have a credibility issue to deal with, as they come across as trying to see which way the parade is going and positioning themselves as if they are at the front of it, rather than, at least, scratching the surface there to see what is underneath. Anti-Trump momentum gaining? Well, time to switch. As a reason, they could point to any number of things that were obvious from the start.
    .
    On Addendum II: AOS’s explanation of why he is anti-Trump.
    .
    Perhaps Ace has never dealt with people at the executive level. Having met several IRL that are like Trump, it is clear who/what they are, which was evident very early on in Trump’s campaign – Too many “tells”.
    .
    For those without that experience, Trump doesn’t even pass the “good neighbor” test… Would you like a neighbor who talks and behaves like that? – If yes, would you invest your life savings into a partnership with him?
    .
    Most honest people would say no here, and make the connection with trusting the power of the Presidency with him. Trumpites don’t. And that reflects more on their character, and what they really want.
    .
    Bottom Line: Glad Ace has seen the light, but WTHey is up with Ben Carson? Per my last paragraph, maybe he’s motivated by revenge (on Cruz for Iowa) vs what’s good for the country.

34. boxty Says:
    “I don’t know who this Charles C. Johnson is but he’s claiming M.F. has a history of lying:”

    I don’t know about Johnson or Fields, but there is another prominent player in this whole sordid story with a rich, thoroughly documented history of publicly lying, pretty much to everyone about pretty much everything, while screaming “LIAR!” at pretty much everyone about pretty much everything. He uses blatant lying to intimidate, insult, character assassinate, bully, degrade, deflect attention from his own lying, and exact revenge on anyone who he perceived has slighted him, bested him and/or dared to get between him and what he wants.

    What a guy!

35. This despite a bruise on her arm…

    After publicly sharing the details of an alleged attack motivated by her sexual orientation in August, a Central Michigan University instructor was sentenced last month for filing a false police report regarding the assault.

    While attending a Toby Keith concert at the Soaring Eagle Casino and Resort on Aug. 19, a man imposed on Mari Poindexter and her family’s personal space then spewed bigoted slurs at Poindexter, including calling her a “cross-dressing fag,” Poindexter told the Morning Sun in August.

    Later that night Poindexter said that same man attacked her in the parking lot of the Cabin Bar, punching her in the eye and spitting on her.

    the wound was self inflicted, and she gave herself a black eye. there are several you tube videos on how to do this, and how to make bruises

    women find it easier as all you have to do is squeeze hard and their literally thinner skin will show marks very easy compared to men

    I am not saying she did or didnt, i am saying given the times we live in and the goals and the rewards of such and willingness of people to remove a candidate they dont like, we wont know.

    currently one problem is that we have lots of people on the left being caught creating history by self inflicting and trying to manufacture history to benefit their cause… from fake nooses, to fake attacks of white beating black girls on a bus, to claiming rape in a fraternity, to rape in a duke university party, false claims of being drugged, people carving slurs into their own bodies but caught given how the wounds were made, and on and on and on.

    how do you tell?

    you cant say she is a professional and they dont do that, as you can read about half a dozen in the past two years that have been caught and fired.

    it will, as can be seen in neos post, boil down to whether you like the candidate or not.. .which is why the hoax or not hoax is effective.

    this also harms people with real grievances as they are not going to be taken as seriously as they might before in a more honest and less faked world

    examples
    At Hofstra University in 2009, a freshman girl claimed she was gang-raped by five men in a dormitory, only to recant her claims when a video of the sexual encounter surfaced showing she was not forced at all. Four men were arrested before she finally admitted she was lying.

    A little over a year ago at Oberlin College, two students conducted a massive series of racist stunts such as putting up a Nazi flag, passing out anti-Islamic fliers, and putting a “whites only” sign above a water fountain.

    Last year, a lesbian waitress in Connecticut, Dayna Morales, claimed that a couple wrote on a receipt, “I’m sorry but I cannot tip because I don’t agree with your lifestyle & how you live your life.” After Morales gained national media attention. the couple tipped her 20 percent and the money she got that she said would to to wounded warriors never made it to the charity

    Oprah Winfrey whirled up a media frenzy last year after accusing a Swiss sales assistant of racism. Winfrey said the saleswoman told her that “you don’t want to see this bag” because Winfrey is black. ”It is too expensive. You cannot afford it.” The sales assistant felt powerless caught in the media “cyclone,” as she put it, and flatly denied having ever told Winfrey she could not afford the item. “I don’t know why she is making these accusations,” the saleslady said. “She is so powerful and I am just a shop girl.”

    there was also the plethora of african americans claiming that cops harrased them, including several politicians, only to find out that there is such a thing as a dash cam

    and before you say news or radio would not do that:
    Two gay parents were throwing a birthday party for their child earlier this year when they received a note from a homophobic parent saying her child would not attend the party because she would “not subject my innocent son to your ‘lifestyle.’” The media were outraged until it was revealed that there were no gay parents, no allegedly homophobic parent, and no birthday party. In fact, the entire spectacle was a joke created by a New York radio show in order to “spur a healthy discourse on a highly passionate topic,” as they explained.

    ALL these people ruin things for EVERYONE

36. Neo,

    Duh. Wikipedia suggests he’s a controversial figure, but I don’t know enough to for an opinion on him.

    When I first heard the name I thought of the blogger who first exposed the forgeries of Bush’s Air National Guard records. Dan Rather is still sticking with the “fake but accurate” story, probably due to his BDS. I see the same dogged determination with the TCS sufferers in this story.

37. in some cases they are creating passions in which blacks are now slashing whites and chinese (and some spanish that look white).. and they feel justified as white males are responsible for all racism in the world (we cant quite figure out why attack the young chinese girls, they are not wealthy, political, etc). this after punching them wasnt enough.

    Cops checking DNA on utility knife in hunt for Queens slasher who attacked Chinese exchange student

    A second slashing happened at about 11:15 p.m. Wednesday, when a 48-year-old man was randomly cut in the neck from behind in a Brooklyn train station cops said.

    Suspect Charged With Slashing Woman In Random Attack In Chelsea
    http://pix11.com/2016/01/08/man-accused-of-slashing-woman-in-chelsea-arrested-in-separate-attack/

    Man’s face slashed on No. 3 train in latest New York City knife attack

    Man said, ‘I’m gonna kill you white boy,’ then slashed victim’s throat in Queens: cops
    http://pix11.com/2015/03/13/man-said-im-gonna-kill-you-white-boy-then-slashed-mans-throat-in-queens-cops/

    27-year-old victim was rushed to a hospital to stitch the gash on his face just after the 3 a.m. incident on a Harlem station platform.

    a 71-year-old woman was slashed by a man on a train pulling into Manhattan’s Broadway-Lafayette station

    Former teacher, 62, stabbed to death and ‘almost beheaded’ by 21-year-old roommate in New York City homeless shelter
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422272/Former-teacher-62-stabbed-beheaded-21-year-old-roommate-New-York-City-homeless-shelter.html

    29-year-old woman was cut on her hand when she bumped into a man who attacked her with a machete on a train in Brooklyn after they argued,

    a man was left partially paralyzed in the face when a stranger attacked him on an East Village street

    David Henry Hwang was suddenly stabbed on a street in his neighborhood, Brooklyn’s Fort Greene.

    Bill de Blasio Says Face-Slashing Epidemic Probably a Result of NYPD Gun Seizures
    http://observer.com/2016/03/bill-de-blasio-says-face-slashing-epidemic-probably-a-result-of-nypd-gun-seizures/

    this is the result of these political games.

    if you study mao and his revolution, it took almost 27 years of this form of terrorism to create the anger that changed the state… after that, the people yelling bernie bernie bernie in chicago againts trump will find how free it is having nothing…

    regardless of validity, this is getting scary…
    if real, its scary
    if fake, its scary
    one for someone doing that to another over nothing but some talking that isnt like farakhan calling for the murder of white babies in the hospital
    the second for the idea that someone would create a false reality that people then react as if it was true, and so are ginned up to do more things.

    it is not true that the primary reason for the Cultural Revolution was to combat class struggle among the Party members. If one looks deep into the specific action that Mao took during the Cultural Revolution, it is not difficult to find that the whole process of Cultural Revolution was to control the thoughts of the Chinese masses. Class struggle was merely a feint to disguise Mao’s true desire–thought control.

    Generally, thought control contains two steps: emptying and refilling. The first step is to wash away whatever contradicts the brainwasher’s ideology, making people’s brains akin to empty shells. Then, the thought controller will start to put things in, replacing “unorthodoxy” with “orthodoxy”. During the period of Cultural Revolution, Mao used these two techniques.

    Mao took the first step to empty minds by removing the “traditions”. He regarded old culture, old ideas, old habits, and old customs (called the Four Olds) as corrosive and rebellious heritages that must be completely eradicated. Reacting to his appeal, youth nationwide gathered to form an unofficial revolutionary organization, named the Red Guard, to help carry the eradiation of the “Four Olds” forward.

    what many call here the march through the institutions following gramsci and russia, mao called something else…

    the fight now is over the people who are rebelling against the end of the four olds, the others are fighting for their removal… the candidates are divided between two who would remove them, one who would preserve them, and one that would pretend to preserve them but would let them erode through lack of enough action

    the current thing is a mish mosh mash up of all the others, and what is going on is quite recognizable.

    want to see videos of similar in czech republic in the 60s?

38. The first is that, if Fields is correct in the identification of Lewandowski as the person who grabbed her arm and threw her down, Trump’s contention about choosing “the best people” is suspect.

    what about the list of people on cruz team? they didnt knock a woman over, but they did cause murder and mayhem (iran contra), were convicted and pardoned, etc.

    so i guess its all equal.
    a cocaine epidemic for the black community to fund weapons in iran and overthrow a government, and knocking a woman over.

    meanwhile, the bigger picture is where such agitprop and wacko focus and relativism is going to take us… at what point will the state declare we are too wacko to take care of ourselves due to this kind of thing being fomented.

    you think the people who did the violence in many of the protests and things are not paid to do so? agit prop is old old old… but to us its new as we have not experienced it as its covered by the Pavlovian missive that only the liberal cadre can declare a conspiracy to be a conspiracy, and no one else…
    this despite the historical repetitive nature of such mass political games being very well known if you read history.

    we are in serious trouble if we can be destracted and impassioned to lose our nation and homes and lives so easily…

39. Whenever I see the name Charles Johnson I think of you-know-who of Little Green Footballs fame.. Ugh..

    This Charles Johnson, with the C, of course, is not him 🙂 Just in case there are some of you who remember the other one.

40. Clear video of him grabbing her: https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/708377189645991937

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