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  1. Does it really matter? If someone is mostly dead can you kill them more? Kasich should have dropped out, and Rubio should have too. The only hope now is that no one gets to the convention with enough vote to get the nomination. It’s going to be a loooong and unhappy summer.

  2. Does it really matter? If someone is mostly dead can you kill them more? Kasich should have dropped out, and Rubio should have too. The only hope now is that no one gets to the convention with enough vote to get the nomination. It’s going to be a loooong and unhappy summer.

  3. Apparently on one of the Sunday shows yesterday, he said he would pass an amnesty bill in the first 90 days. I imagine that will hurt him more than Romney.

  4. Add that to his call for amnesty and his free trade positions and he is finished. Kasich loses Ohio.

    That nice guy act only goes so far.

  5. KL Smith,

    Cut Kasich some slack, it was the first 100 days, not the first 90 days. That is a YUGE! difference of 10 whole days. 🙂

  6. We can only hope nobody is paying attention to him in the last 2 days, but I wouldn’t say this has boosted his chances.
    Kasich *almost* had OH, too.

    BTW, you can’t say he’s running for Trump’s VP now. Trump can’t very well be seen with an amnesty supporter on the ticket.

  7. Cornhead,

    Agreed.

    He just gave Ohio to Trump.

    The only fella that’s giving Trump any challenge is Ted.

    It’s glaring.

    Kasich is pitching a return to G.H.W. Bush’s policy suite.

    !!!

  8. Kasich obviously doesn’t know when to keep his mouth shut. How hard is it to say we close the borders, stop sanctuary cities, deport criminals, and then see whether people start self deporting. This guy just wants to be seen as nice.

  9. I can see no other explanation for Kasich’s recent pronouncements on illegals, than a heretofore unseen level of political stupidity. One that far surpasses mere tone deafness.

  10. I gave up on the Sunday talk shows some time ago–I have developed a very low tolerance for blather. If someone actually heard him, did Kasich say “amnesty” in so many words, or is that someone’s spin on what he said?

    Commented in another post, that Kasich does not speak well in sound bites. His positions will always be somewhat nuanced, as opposed to simplistic that is. So, if someone tried to reduce a longer statement into a sound bite, it could be an inaccurate portrayal.

    WRT to Romney’s endorsement, I don’t think it would make much difference. Those who admire Romney already find Kasich an attractive Presidential prospect. I would vote for him with this caveat; if I thought he had a chance to win. Otherwise it will be Cruz.

    If he does not win Ohio easily, I hope he drops out. I wish Rubio had already dropped out. We must get this down to Trump against one alternative.

  11. Oldflyer

    “In last Thursday’s CNN debate, Kasich told voters that he would enact the largest amnesty in U.S. history within his first 100 days in office. “For the 11 and a half million who are here, then in my view if they have not committed a crime since they’ve been here, they get a path to legalization. Not to citizenship. I believe that program can pass the Congress in the first 100 days,” Kasich said.”

  12. Oldflyer: I don’t watch those shows either. But read multiple sources describing his comments that way. Real Clear Politics.com usually has clips from the shows under their video section.

    GB:true; but Kasich is running as a pragmatic moderate that can work with the other side to get things done. for the people and the children and the hugs.

  13. Cornhead, that was be an unfortunate thing to say–although it seems somewhat short of amnesty.. We all know that everyone of them will support a “pathway” to some legal status, but it should not be spoken aloud before the election.

    As with the Sunday talk shows, I gave up in the debates after the first 15 or 20, so I did not hear his statement. As I said he does not speak well in sound bites, so I still wonder if he tried to express a more comprehensive idea. Nevertheless, Expat nails the sensible and appropriate answer for an experienced politician in a soundbite environment.

    On another level, I still marvel at people who almost worship at the altar of Reaganism–the inventor of Amnesty for illegal aliens–but castigate current candidates if they advocate less than mass deportation.

    No matter, his alleged, or actual, statement is now viral, and the toast has popped out of the toaster. Get out John, volunteer to be Cruz’s running mate.

  14. What’s his angle? Is he running as the sane alternative to Clinton and Sanders in the Dem primary? Originally he was rumored to be in league with Trump and angling for a VP slot. That can’t happen now given Trump’s only semi-clear cut policy position is no amnesty. Excuse me, Trump’s position is “amazing wall (now with amazing door).”

  15. It probably only hurts Kasich now, but not a lot. I think all the life of all the non-Trump candidates except for Cruz bled out last Tuesday, and Cruz is likely to be finished off tomorrow if he can’t win in MO.

  16. Oldflyer

    The Reagan amnesty was nothing. And all illegal immigration was supposed to stop.

    As a percentage of all US population and over a short number of years, we have never seen anything like this. Something like 30m foreign born. That’s 10%.

    And I don’t trust the numbers at all as so many are just estimates.

    I went to license my car a few years back. The place was filled with foreigners.

  17. AMartel

    Kasich’s whole campaign is he is an experienced moderate who can work with Dems. Nice guy. Not extreme; whatever that is. Fiscal conservative.

    But working with Dems usually means GOP losses.

  18. “Scott Bessent of Soros Fund Management, an investment firm founded by liberal mega-donor George Soros, has given more than $202,700 to help John Kasich’s presidential campaign, according to FEC records.

    Of that total, $200,000 was given to the pro-Kasich super PAC New Day for America. Bessent has also given the legal limit of $2,700 to Kasich’s campaign.

    Bessent was previously Soros’ chief investment manager.”
    http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/14/soros-associate-gives-200000-to-pro-kasich-super-pac/#ixzz42vBvn1rT

  19. Kinda disappointed in Romney for doing this. I figure that Romney thinks this will help against Trump, but I suspect the opposite. As Ace noted the other day, building up Kasich and Rubio actually helps Trump, as it takes votes away from Cruz (who is the only candidate that actually has a chance to stop Trump).

  20. Many players from all points of the compass are working to to hand the nomination to Trump. Their intentions are easily traced back to one single purpose. Only fans of the donald fail to realize what is a foot or they simply do not care.

  21. Of course it helps, because most of those who will vote for Trump have already decided to. Those last second voters are not anti-establishment types.

  22. ‘building up Kasich and Rubio actually helps Trump, as it takes votes away from Cruz’

    That assumes Cruz has a chance in Florida or Ohio. If he doesn’t the best outcome is for Rubio and Kasich to take those states and for Cruz to win or pick up everything he can from the others.

  23. Steve…

    Rubio is not even in contention in his home state.

    Humiliation there will PERMANENTLY damage Rubio’s ‘brand.’

    cf Governor Perry.

    As a pretty young Senator, Rubio should’ve realized it was time to pack it in — after Super Tuesday.

    He’s a terrible nominee — for on the facts — he’s amazingly close to Hillary’s international political positions — and they’ve been rejected by the public.

    That rejection of internationalism is a huge part of Trump’s appeal — especially to Democrats.

    &&&&&&

    I think that Ted Cruz has over done it with the evangelical vote.

    Some in that crowd make themselves look as extreme as fanatical Muslims.

    It’s bad politics — these days — to thump the Bible.

    The only folks gaining traction that way are those thumping the Koran.

    Branding Cruz as a zealot on a crusade against secular Americans — is pure negative campaigning.

    We’re sure to see a flood of it from now till November.

  24. Ted’s IQ is a handicap.

    He’s so bright that he does not connect with the hoi polloi.

    Which is evident in blog threads thither and yon.

    The average Trump booster does not comprehend that neither Bush nor Obama nor Clinton seriously enforced our nation’s immigration statutes.

    Hence, the countless sanctuary cities — Democrat bastions, all.

  25. Blert, don’t be going all Dunning-Kruger on me now or I’ll have to go take it out on my cousin, er wife.

  26. >>I think that Ted Cruz has over done it with the evangelical vote.

    I believe this to be true. Here in Illinois his rallies have been strategically placed: farm land, upper-middle mostly white suburbs, pay-ticket banquet in Chicago (where the ticket prices were $$).

    It was too late when I heard of the Chicago banquet and even if I did become aware of it on time I still wouldn’t have bought a ticket, so I was left to attend a suburban rally.

    Cruz is appealing to a certain type of American: Christians who are mostly older who have made their money, the farmers and small towns. His outreach to the urban dwellers have been near non-existent. And this is wear the (R)s usually falter. The (D)s can go from urban, to suburban to farmland. The (R)s have a tough time gaining traction in cities.

  27. Kasich sided against freedom of speech, and against the right to peacefully assemble when he sided with the moveon protestors, anarchists, and others.

    even sadder,cruz the constitutaional conservative sided with the lefts brownshirts/blackhand to crush freedom of speech and freedom of assembly as he too sided with the protesters and basically said: be careful what you say, yoru freedom of speech only exists where protesters let you talk and where they let you assemble

    he caved on the spot for advantage
    that is not a man who respects and will fight for the constitution (we already know kasich wont)

    even sadder.
    they pretend to be constitutional, but they dont vote to preserve it… when things come up for a vote, they abstain to let the left win without us blaming them for voting for, and without them actually voting against

    this is why we got lorreta lynch to replave holder with another racialist.. which violates equal protection

    and he just abstained from voting against common core… kasich, cruz, and bernie, and mccain, all decided to let obama win by not voting against common core

    hows that gonna fix anything?
    how is that someone who will fight for the constitution?

    if he sided with rioters who have planned for weeks, admit it and want communism… and blames free speech and the right of assembly as the fault…

    then which side is kasich, cruz, et al on?

  28. Hows the rest of the world seeing us?
    Australia

    Is the media inciting violence against Donald Trump? Frank Chung THE media wants a member of the public to kill Donald Trump. That’s the view of a growing number of commentators, who have sounded warnings about the increasingly dangerous tone to media reporting around the Republican presidential hopeful. In a lengthy blog post, Scott Adams, the creator of the popular Dilbert comic strip, has slammed the media for “priming the public to try to kill Trump”, likening the conduct to the death of Princess Diana in 1997.

  29. Saw Kasich in a live interview this morning. He was really irritating. Not only did he piously talk about how wonderfully kind and positive he has been, he also was testy with the reporters when he rambled on and on about this stuff. I think he has a short temper that he is hiding and pretending he is all loving and huggy and whatnot.

    The worst really is when he said “People have told me that I’m running such a positive campaign…” and to me it sounded so fake. I really hope he loses Ohio today. It has nothing to do with Trump, and everything to do with the fact I can’t stand this guy. He needs to go away.

  30. reading this article you get the feeling from several movies ranging from old war movies (where the french tell the man to duck as the resistance blows away the offender)… or the godfather, where the toll keepers duck and hide letting things happen!!!!!!

    if Cruz and Kasich are not establishment people, why did they not denounce this behavior? why did they say that the mob that riots decides what you can or cant say (by not denouncing it)?

    if you read this, filtering for the police mans comments you will see how this was what our old communist green czar said before he lost his job and was moved to another new job thanks to the elite

    Basically, the choices made facilitated the protest, the news did not cover it fully, and then kasich, cruz and others forgot freedom of speech and freedom to peacefully assemble, and did NOT chastize the communist/bernie/hillary mob with the racialists.

    in fact… they pointed out that by their forcing the attendees out into the hateful crowd, they pretty much created a worse situation (that then can be used by elites to pound trump as kasich and cruz tried to do)

    Chicago Cop: Anti-Trump Mob More Aggressive and Destructive than Reported
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/14/chicago-cop-blog-says-that-protests-at-weekend-trump-rally-far-worse-than-reported/

    “It seems the [media] aren’t broadcasting footage of the debris being thrown across Harrison by Sanders/Hillary supporters at Trump fans,” the officer wrote

    and

    the media didn’t report that protesters were running through parking lots and breaking windows of cars with Trump stickers on them, or that the department called out emergency Incident Teams to cope with the anti-Trump riot

    and

    there was “pretty much zero in terms of a unified Command Post” for the event, and that officers had no central command to report to or coordinate response from.

    and

    suddenly emptying the pavilion of Trump fans and “putting a few thousand people out on the street as targets” was a terrible decision.

    and


    Who gave up the expressway? Who let them block ambulances? Why did they not assemble citywide Incident Teams as soon as they knew the rally was canceled? Tact Teams? We even heard Mass Arrest kits weren’t available and only one transport wagon on scene in case arrests were made.

    Who ever drew up this order failed miserably. Whatever the Intelligence Section was doing wasn’t nearly enough. The On Scene Incident Commander failed to anticipate even the best case scenario and every other appointee showed how incompetent they really were by not ordering up more reinforcements and more units on stand-by.

    and
    video that was not shown on the news… WHY?
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153987414591552&id=841851551&refid=52&__tn__=C

  31. René Girard and his Violence and the Sacred.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Girard

    On his theory humans have learned to end escalating violence between factions by sacrificing a victim, a scapegoat.

    All of the hate and the rage of a divided community is diverted from hating each other and onto the newly selected victim. Somehow, at the civil rights revolution of the Sixties, the white working class got selected as sacrificial victim. Thus the necessity of Archie Bunker, racist, sexist, and bigot, that Norman Lear wanted to teach us all to hate.

    But once the white working class had been selected as sacrificial victim to cleanse the nation of its racial sins, it is obvious that every so often a wooden stake would have to be driven through its corpse to make sure it could never be brought back to life.

    It could not be permitted for anyone to say that right-wing militias are embarrassing but marginal, or that the remnant of the KKK is anything less than a demonic threat that every Republican politician must condemn without equivocation.

    The sacrificial victim must stay dead and buried.

    Then Donald Trump pulled the stake out of its heart.

    –American Thinker

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    same source:

    Now you know what liberal activism is for, and race studies and gender studies and diversity and political correctness. They are there to apply muscle for the ruling class, to make sure that the Verdict of the Sixties is never reversed. Black Lives Matter and MoveOn.org and the Friday night lefty coalition are all rushing forward to drive the wooden stake back in.

    What is another name for street thugs indulged and funded by the ruling class?

    The word is Fascists.

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    and the saddest thing is that people who endeavored to learn about that, just joined in here… they became that which they railed against, and even reduced themselves to similar tactics, and more..

    and yet, they still think germany was so hard to understand
    and would make comments as to that..

    but they dont realize that they are scapgoating

    and they are confused as it doesnt have the clear lines between two socilaist factions of last century, but is a socialist mash up.

    a mixture or fusion of disparate elements.

    so its not soviet, and its not fully german, it has aspects of mao, etc

    they want purity, so their choices are easy…
    they also side with one of the two main offerings of establishment brands and refuse to think or look to see if what they are siding with would be what they oppose… in fact, they are not a bit worried..

    and they come up with all kinds of irrational fears as if a man disliked by the establishment and with no army of assitants in government could seize power and order people about… really?

    by the way, if all that worry was at all true wouldnt the headline read:
    Bernie and hillary rally cancled by trump brown shirts?
    not trump rally cancelled by..

    wouldnt cruz naturally align more with the anti establishement man than the establishment?

    “A campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment where the candidate urges supporters to engage in violence,” Sen. Cruz said.

    really? so the “victims” are not responsble?
    the moveon.org, soros, and all those are justified cause free speech is not to be tolerated and the people doing things are not responsible for their own actions, others are, so they are not guilty?

    is THAT who you think will preserve the constitution?

    “We can have genuine differences but can do so in a way that appeals to our better angels, not our worst,” Cruz said.

    so now only the eloquent and careful can speak? plain talk that offends is wrong? since when? oh, since the socialists said so and kept piling on pc over pc till we now have microagressions… nano agressions come next.

    so how again, is that defending your right to speak and not defending your right not to be offended?

    Trump will lose and you guys will be VERY suprised as to cruz..
    VERY…

    in all this time you have not learned what you yourselves said over the past years… in fact, you happily changed tack and went into it wtihout any regard for the same values a short while before you railed were not being protected.

  32. blert said in part:
    “It’s bad politics – these days – to thump the Bible.
    The only folks gaining traction that way are those thumping the Koran.”
    There is something gravely amiss with the USA because blert is exactly right.
    The USA may be beyond salvation, literally and theologically.

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