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  1. A nation that bases its survival on talking, not doing, is already doomed given the current context of enemies and evil.

  2. 1. Best speech ever by Trump and I saw him four times in person. Both on substance and style. If he keeps this up, then he can win. This is the turning point.

    2. Up to 25% are undecided. Hard to believe but true. If Trump hits the big swing states hard via rallies, social media and paid media with this same message he has a chance. MI, MN, WI, PA, OH, VA, NC, FL.

    3. On the character issue, one might not like Trump as he is a sharp operator. But Hillary is a flat out criminal. A criminal who has traded official acts for money. Trump pointed this out today beautifully. And as a bonus, Trump noted that foreign countries can now blackmail her if she wins with her own emails.

  3. I agree with WB, but our problem is that we may have no other messenger.

    We keep reading and hearing teases about a revolt at the convention. Certainly a risky prospect. Then again, continuing down the same path is also risky.

    I have seen the names of Nikki Haley and Mitch Daniels mentioned as possible White Knights. Both are good people; and possibly adequate as President. Neither would enter a very short campaign season start with much national name recognition. They offer nothing that some rejected candidates did not offer–except that we now know Trump better. Long shots in my opinion–smacks of desperation.

  4. Neo:If I vote for Trump, that would be the reason.

    If elected, Clinton will become the first female President in the nation’s history. She will also join John Quincy Adams, James Monroe, Martin Van Buren, and James Buchanan as the only Presidents to have served both in the Senate and as Secretary of State. If she loses the election to Donald Trump, he will be the first man elected President who has never served the public either in government or in the military. Trump wants to make America great again; Clinton wants to make history. That history is less about the last glass ceiling than about a party realignment as important as the Nixon-era Southern Strategy, if less well known. Call it the Female Strategy.

    THE WOMAN CARD
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/06/27/hillary-clinton-and-the-history-of-women-in-american-politics

  5. If he could come up with something similar that was aimed at millenials he might raise his chances. This group already dislikes Hillary, but they need to be shown why Trump would be better for them.

  6. I’m waiting for him to hit her on the child rapist she defended. She got him off by attacking the 12-year old girl even though she knew he was guilty, then years later she laughed about it, which was recorded. That alone would eliminate the votes of many female millenials.

  7. Expat

    Trump can make student loans dischargable in BK. Currently student loan debt is one of the few debts that can’t be eliminated in BK. He gets young Bernie voters with this move.

    Trump is the king of BK as a business tool. This would make young adult BK a strategy. It shafts the Street and companies like Nel Net that have government protection.

    Yes. Interest rates will go up on student loans but college costs will also go down or stabilize.

    If Trump gave that speech at Ohio State or FSU, his numbers would go up.

    Aside. Student loan debt exceeds all auto debt.

  8. LisaM:

    I’ve been thinking about that for quite some time, and wondering why it hasn’t come up yet in 2016.

  9. LisaM

    That is the perfect ad to aim at the right voters on Facebook. PACs can run it.

    And amplify and enhance that laugh of Hillary’s.

    Micro targeting. Young women in FL, NC, VA.

  10. the response has been very good.. (for the most part)

    people are like, finally someone says something and brings up things and so on…

    then there is the campus reform videos where they been polling students…

    they give a clue about that when you read polls your reading bs about people who actually dont know who said what and are going through the election by FEELING who said what

    VIDEO: Young people shocked by Hillary’s infamous quotes
    http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7734

  11. Wooly Bully Says: Right message; wrong messenger.

    no.. not wrong messenger, because no one else would have campaigned in the not pc not progressive modern way that guarantees wins for the left by a large statistical margin…

    there is NO way anyone else would have the nerve, or such to come out and this is just starting… there is TONS more that can be said that because of PC stopped being said when i was still in JHS

  12. Cornhead:

    “Trump can make student loans dischargable in BK. ….. Student loan debt exceeds all auto debt.”

    And this is a good thing?

    Who will pay for this immediate disruption in the economy? That’s right everyone. Who looses the most? I don’t know? Who is protected, probably, the Federally-subsidized educational establishment?

    He has already tried to woo the Bernie voters.

    Winning isn’t everything, oops, I forgot it is everything to some.

  13. OM

    It would be a good thing. It would rationalize the market. It is a de facto subsidy. There is a limited number of non-dischargable debts in BK. Child support and certain taxes are in the group.

    Not every student loan borrower would file, but it would allow former students to buy cars and homes.

    It would totally shaft the Street. Pure populism.

  14. I do not see how encouraging young people to declare bankruptcy (I assume that is what BK means) to duck out of their obligations is a good thing in any possible way. There is already too much sense of entitlement and irresponsibility in the country as is.

    Shaft the street? That is where we are? The Street, whatever that is, made loans in good faith. Should they not expect to have them repaid in good faith? Of course the people who would be shafted the most are those who are invested in “the street”; just as happens every time someone reneges on an obligation.

    I do not understand the sympathy for students who are “burdened” with the obligations they took on voluntarily. I guess some would argue that they had to do it to get an education. Not so. A host of people paid for their education through sweat equity with the U.S. military. Always an option. There are, in fact, a number of other sweat equity options that do not even entail putting your life on the line.

    Interesting that being the King of BK is seen as one of Trump’s strong points.

  15. Cornhead Says: Trump is the king of BK as a business tool.

    on what planet is 4 chapter 11 restructurings out og 560 companies, and a bunch of others that he licenses his name out to and doesnt own (out of 17 in nyc he only owns 5).

    your saying the king of bankruptcy earned his title by having 0.7% of his businesses around the globe file chapter 11…

    Point 7 percent… if i had 100,000 and i gave you .7%, i would give you 700 dollars…

    The bankruptcy court may appoint a Chapter 11 trustee, but only if there is cause, such as gross mismanagement, or fraud.

    in all cases no appointee was made, his investors voted for him to continue and so far, at no point has he ever been proven a fraud… opinion is not evidence and opinion out of ignorance is definitely not evidence

    even Hillary points out they are chapter 11 not 13

    Trump’s four bankruptcies were Chapter 11 reorganizations (named for its location in federal bankruptcy code), which are designed to restructure businesses without shutting them down completely. The purpose is to “save” the business, as opposed to other forms of bankruptcy which would liquidate the company, said Michael Venditto, a partner at the ReedSmith law firm who has extensive experience with Chapter 11.

    Even worse, Trump sold off his own property to pay off debts and did not get a bail out, or anything like that at all…

    The Trump Taj Mahal, 1991 – Trump gave up half his personal stake in the casino and sold his yacht and airline, according to the Washington Post.

    Trump Plaza Hotel, 1992 – Trump relinquished a 49 percent stake in the Plaza to a total of six lenders

    Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts, 2004 – Trump agreed to reduce his share in the company from 47 to 27 percent in a restructuring plan, but he was still the company’s largest single shareholder and remained in charge of its operations

    Trump Entertainment Resorts, 2009 – hit hard by the 2008 economic recession and missed a $53.1 million bond interest payment in December 2008 – Trump resigned as the company’s chairman and had his corporate stake in the company reduced to 10 percent. The company continued to use Trump’s name in licensing.

    Most of the other negative things were LICENSING DEALS to use his name
    Donald Trump’s Real Secret To Riches: Create A Brand And License It
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveolenski/2015/11/24/donald-trumps-real-secret-to-riches-create-a-brand-and-license-it/

    The Trump Ocean Club International Hotel and Tower in Panama City was struggling under $2.2 million in unauthorized debts run up by Trump Panama Condominium Management LLC. Additionally, the management company withheld financial information from the building’s owners and paid undisclosed bonuses to its executives.

    thats one item that gets him a bad reputation.. oh what a fraud, what a crook, how could he do that?

    Trump’s name was on the building, but he didn’t own it. It belonged to Roger Khafif, who owned prime oceanfront real estate but couldn’t get financial backing for his 2011 construction project. He had licensed the Trump name, which costs him more than a third of the $220 million he’d raised to fund the project.

    the Trump name is a trademark.. he lcences it out to others… so when you think he is a dirtball it was someone who gave him 75 million to use his name, not him.

    Khafif went bankrupt, but Trump made money both from licensing and managing the property. After a lengthy dispute with condo tenants – who the management company tried to squeeze for its $2.2 million in debts by levying a special assessment – Trump’s companies continue to manage the hotel but no longer manage the residential condos.

    Despite the problems, the residents aren’t suing Trump. They don’t want to take Trump’s name off the property. The Trump name attracts buyers, and residents can’t afford to lose it.

    get FACTS right… learn the rules and laws..
    stop listening to the left half truth lies to play with your head

    For instance, his name is on 17 properties in Manhattan, but he only owns five of them outright.

    so he is only responsiblef for 5 properties when you think all 17 are his… 12 properties are not run by him…

    Nike runs a sweatshop in china, and your going to sue micheal jordan? another person who licenses his name, but you dont make the mistake because its licenses to a product and not to a company.

    Trump International Golf Club in Puerto Rico filed for bankruptcy in July after accumulating tens of millions of dollars in debt. It wasn’t a bankruptcy for Trump himself; in fact, he made money on the deal. He licensed his name without risking any capital in the property itself.

    But i bet you think that the golf course is his… right?

    so other than the four bankruptcies, the others are not his… they are companies run by people who licensed the trump trademark..

    you might say that he was foolish to put his name on these things, but then 75 million for one deal in which all they want is your name, is not bad… maybe it was foolish.

    but most businesses fail… he has over 500 that did not fail..

  16. Cornhead Says: Not every student loan borrower would file, but it would allow former students to buy cars and homes.

    how so? i was forced to file chapter 13 due to a wacko girlfriend that ruined my career, faked her murder, and took my son with her when she tried to rob a bank.

    your credit is crapped on for over a decade..
    you dont get to buy a car, you dont get a credit card

    i had to build up my credit to the 810 it is now
    and i still cant get a raise, promotion, buy a house etc cause of the current politics and bank bs.

  17. HILLARY SERVER SECURITY FEATURES WERE DISABLED

    Emails: Key security features disabled on Clinton’s server
    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7006105d422740f0b4b8675c90f9a154/emails-key-security-features-disabled-clintons-server

    So she facilitated an open spy portal with ability to deny that is what she did… and boy is she raking in the foreign money… by one report 20% of her campaign is ibn-saud family..

    the Petra News Agency published on Sunday what it described as exclusive comments from Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman which included a claim that Riyadh has provided 20 percent of the total funding to the prospective Democratic candidate’s campaign.

    The report was later deleted and the news agency has not responded to requests for comment from Middle East Eye. However, the deletion took place too late, as the Washington-based Institute for Gulf Affairs managed to capture the report and has re-published the original Arabic Petra report, which quoted Prince Mohammed as having said Saudi Arabia had provided with “full enthusiasm” an undisclosed amount of money to Clinton

    between now and then its going to be so easy to hammer her because she lived her life with the idea that the understanding of not doing that in campaigns would always exist and that her left liberal press would protect her.

    if you can see what i see in the college you would be amazed… so many really really dislike her…

  18. If it came down to a battle between Hillary, the rapist defender, and Trump, the guy who’s on record as saying he’d have liked to date his daughter and wondered about his baby daughter’s breasts, I think millenials might just be more creeped out by him. And then there are all those Howard Stern interviews.

  19. Old, art and Nick:

    Bankruptcy is not a moral judgment. For Trump it was a business tool. Likewise it can be for certain young people. Each person makes their own decision. By no means is it cost free.

    In the 80s in NE we had the farm crisis triggered by Carter and his trade war with Russia. Corn prices went through the floor. Lots of farmer BK’s. Rural banks got hit. Many FDIC takeovers. We survived.

    An education is supposed to be an asset with a long life. But if the acquired asset is in gender studies, the debt is in six figures and the job is at Starbucks, then something is wrong. The debt will never be repaid and the loan payment is a drag on the economy.

    There was no good reason to exempt student loan debt from discharge in BK other than the facts that colleges and companies like Nel Net wanted it.

    This is purely a play for votes. If the Street has to write off 200 billion, so what? If Nelnet goes BK, who cares? The Dems bankrupted Peabody Energy and 80 more oil and gas companies this year.

  20. Cornhead:

    Once again, is winning everything?

    Bankruptcy of coal companies and O&G are apples and oranges; US climate change vs KSA flooding the crude oil marked to keep their market share and kill shale oil in the USA.

  21. A prominent conservative crossing over to Hillary has justified his choice by saying that she is wrong on everything, but “within normal parameters.”
    I shall not go that way. I am sick of those nauseating parameters.
    The possibilities with Trump are akin to a roulette wheel. My stomach can handle the risk, no matter how extreme.

  22. It seems to me that education debt is different, because you retain the product that you purchased with it. It’d be like letting all the people who lost money in the housing market in 2007-8 keep their residences. If you spend $200k on a gender studies degree, that was your decision. There’s no shame in making coffee.

    And anyway, Wall Street isn’t going to end up paying for those student loan defaults. You and I are.

  23. Banned Lizard – You left out the part where Trump was described as being terrible outside normal parameters.

  24. Cornhead, we will just have to disagree. It is a moral question to use bankruptcy if it can possibly be avoided. It may be a business tool to the high roller, it is not to the little guys who get hurt. So, you may say there are no little guys in the student loan deal; just “The Street”. Well little guys may not be directly involved; but, you know as well as I do that someone will ultimately pay. It won’t be “The Street”.

    On a personal note; I watched my Dad, a respected business man in his own right, practically ruin his health worrying about a failing business. Failing because the climate changed; not because he had not worked hard enough or smart enough. He could have walked away using your “business tool”; but, he hung in there until he could sell for enough to pay the debts. He then walked away with nothing. The philosophy that you propose simply disgusts me.

  25. If he increases the ratio of New Trump to Old Trump, which in that speech I estimate was about 95%-5% to 90%-10%, he’s got it.

    God, I wish I were a Trump speechwriter! The Evil Empress is such a rich, delicious, low-hanging target!

  26. Oldflyer

    Bankruptcy should be avoided if possible. But the thing is with a non-dischargable debt there are many people with student loan debt who should file but don’t because they can’t get rid of their biggest debt.

    My point is that it was a corrupt special interest deal for student loan debt to be made non-dischargable. I would have to look it up but I think there have been attempts to make it regular debt but the lobbyists stopped it.

    Trust me. No great loss if Nel-Net in NE went BK.

  27. Cornhead- “If the Street has to write off 200 billion, so what?”

    For the first time since I’ve been following this blog Cornhead, I have to disagree with one of your comments.

    As Nick says student debt is different. I agree with Oldflyer that It is a moral question to use bankruptcy if it can possibly be avoided. The fact is, nobody is forced to take on student debt to get a degree. It took me 6 years to finish undergrad because I had to work full time while going to school to pay for it. Then in grad school my wife and I lived like paupers for several years, but in the end I graduated debt free. I’m not complaining, in many ways those were the best years of our lives. Others such as our son elect to joined the military, often having to serve in combat, in order to get a college education without incurring student debt. Some choose to attend less expensive state schools when they have the credentials to attend more prestigious private universities. Sometimes parents of limited means undergo great financial sacrifice in order to pay for their children’s college education. And you say that it’s okay for a student who has coasted along in college, making no sacrifices at all by taking on enormous student debt, to just declare bankruptcy and walk away from it? What does that say to everyone who has made sacrifices to avoid student debt?

  28. Ok, it was a coherent speech instead of the usual bombast. His attacks on hrc were very good and a primer on how to handle the msm/dnc talking points about the wonderful rainbows and unicorns of electing the first president with ovaries. Hitting her hard on the muslim treatment of homosexuals and women should be a constant refrain of his campaign. But the big question is whether or not this is the permanent candidate djt, or just a flash in the pan.

    If he can consistently take this tack and step away from the bombast and boorishness that was the hallmark of his behavior over the last year, he has a shot at eking out a win in November but it would remain an uphill battle once the really nasty attacks against Trump start in earnest. Can he keep this cool? Stay focused? I have serious doubts. But my opinion can be changed.

  29. During their divorce, Trump’s first wife accused him of rape.

    True? I haven’t seen anything definitive, and wouldn’t be surprised to learn that no real evidence exists one way or another — though she is more credible than a pathological liar.

    (She later retracted that, but as far as I know the accusation was under oath, but not the retraction.)

  30. To paraphrase Henry Kissinger: It was a good speech with the added advantage of being true.

  31. I’m in agreement that an ideological argument is less confrontational. It avoids however getting to the heart of the matter, which is that Islam itself is antithetical to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”.

    Here’s another area where Trump should repeatedly confront Hillary;
    “Clinton’s Immigration Policy Undermines Her Economic Narrative”

    “My mission as President is to help create more good-paying jobs so we can get incomes rising for hardworking families across America,” Clinton said. “It’s a pretty simple formula: higher wages lead to more demand, which leads to more jobs with higher wages. And I’ve laid out a detailed agenda to jumpstart this virtuous cycle.”

    However, Clinton’s claim that she wants to help working families is incompatible with her proposals to flood the U.S. labor market and give big businesses a large supply of low-wage foreign workers.

    Indeed, the “simple formula” for higher wages that Clinton touts in her speech contradicts Clinton’s immigration proposals.

    As Manhattan Institute scholar Heather MacDonald has explained, “the law of supply and demand applies to labor.”

    Of course, the law of supply and demand is one of those inconvenient truths that liberals are willfully blind to and leftists deny is responsible, instead offering that reliable scapegoat, the evil ‘rich’.

  32. I’m willing to vote for a person that has flaws, and am suspicious of any that present a facade of perfection, even more so if I can’t see through it.

    Apparently this makes me a sociopathic racist. Whatever.

  33. BK is the wrong solution to the student loan problem. When the grad can’t get a decent job after so many years, the university should pay it off. They had no business offering the worthless degree.

  34. Student loans are a money launder scheme to ensure that gender studies professors and Leftist activists and terrorists like Ayers, get a better bank account balance.

  35. Why don’t we just give everyone under 26 free health care? That’ll win them over to small-government conservatism.

    I did night school to get my associate’s degree. Most of my bachelor’s was from night school, until the end when I quit my day job and went to school for a full term in the day. I was lucky that my next employer paid for most of my master’s degree. There are other routes as well, such as scholarships and the GI Bill. You can work for a university and get a special rate, or even become a teacher’s assistant. Online classes cost maybe half of their classroom equivalent.

  36. Trump:
    “It all started with her bad judgment in supporting the War in Iraq in the first place.”

    Actually, Senator Clinton’s vote for the 2002 AUMF and President Bush’s decision for Operation Iraqi Freedom were correct on the law and the facts. Whereas Trump’s position on the Iraq intervention is based on legal and factual error.

    Go here for explanation of the law and policy, fact basis – the why – of the decision for OIF.

    The sad, tragic aspect of Clinton’s latter spin is that she was right in the 1st place about the Gulf War ceasefire enforcement: the ad hoc post-Operation Desert Fox ‘containment’ was broken, Saddam had not disarmed as mandated, was in fact rearming and a “regional and global” terrorist, including al Qaeda affiliates, in violation of UNSCR 687, and Saddam’s terrorist governance violated UNSCR 688. The Saddam regime was evidentially in material breach across the board of the Gulf War ceasefire measures for casus belli.

    Secretary Clinton’s “bad judgment” subsequently entered and compounded when she chose to ‘evolve’ under partisan pressure by embracing the prevailing yet demonstrably false narrative of OIF that has been a cornerstone of Democrat-front Left (and Left-mimicking Trump-front alt-Right) activist strategy.

    Rather than ‘evolve’ her position on her Senate vote for the 2002 AUMF when her choice was correct in the first place, America, our allies, including and especially Iraq, and she herself would have been better served if Clinton had instead set the record straight on the why of the Iraq intervention and stood up for her right decision and the justified mission.

    However, because Clinton and other leaders submitted to Democrat-front Left activists, the prevailing yet demonstrably false narrative of OIF was allowed to become an active premise of President Obama’s catastrophic American foreign policy.

    However, instead of setting the record straight on the why of OIF to cure Obama’s cornerstone false premise and thus lay the foundation for restoring strong-horse American leadership of the free world, Trump like Clinton is embracing the same prevailing yet demonstrably false narrative of OIF in order to build on Obama’s harm by promoting a Russian-approved further retreat of American leadership under a neo-isolationist American foreign policy.

    Go here for criticism of Trump’s legally and factually erroneous position followed by criticism of Clinton’s ‘evolved’ position on the Iraq intervention.

  37. Ann Says: Trump, the guy who’s on record as saying he’d have liked to date his daughter

    Trump actually said what?

    “She’s really something, and what a beauty, that one,” he told Rolling Stone last year of the 34-year-old businesswoman. “If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father…”

    you changed what he said to a leftist half lie: IF HE WAS NOT HAPPILY MARRIED, AND IF HE WAS NOT HER FATHER – HE WOULD THINK HER BEAUTIFUL

    and the other point as to the baby was about what parts did the baby get from him and his wife, and he was joking that he wont know whether the baby has marlas breasts (or implied his breasts)

    no wonder we are heading to a communist state..

    freaking people cant put whole things together and change the meaning of them.

    here is a clue for you… men fall in love, get married and really love their wives… is it so suprising that when they have a daughter that LOOKS like their wife they would find her attractive? he didnt say he would pork his daughter, i saw the tape, he said if he wasnt married and if she was not his daughter, he would date her.

    why dont we all vote for hillary as we cant stand reality enough to even pay attention

  38. Education debt is different because its guaranteed by the government, and the government once it stepped in to guarantee loans didnt want people to use the schools to run up multimillion dollar decades long attempts to become permanent students without ever working and just claim bankruptcy (chapter 13, not 11) and walk away leaving the government holding the bag to pay off the banks on the loans.

    similar to SBA but we dont pay attention to that either

  39. Guaranteed Student Loans
    http://www.collegescholarships.org/loans/guaranteed.htm

    Guaranteed student loans are Federal or state funded loans for students looking to finance their college education. They are distinct from personal, private or alternative loans in that they are backed by government funds. Up until 2010, guaranteed loans were available through private lending institutions under the Federal Family Education Loan Program (FFELP). These loans were funded by the Federal government, and administered by approved private lending organizations. In effect, these loans were underwritten and guaranteed by the Federal government, ensuring that the private lender would assume no risk should the borrower ultimately default.

    In 2010 the Federal Family Education Loan Program was discontinued, with all new loans being administered under the Direct Student Loan Program. All guaranteed student loans are now processed, and disbursed, directly through the U. S. Department of Education.

    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

    so 200 billion write off is to the tax payer, not wall street.

    c’mon people, pay attention… i have been trying to put up real info on the things you talk about but get cut down, and yelled at its too long, then i watch you waste time on an issue that doesnt exist as the facts are wrong, and your arguing points that arent even there.

  40. I confess that it is inspiring to see a Republican who knows how to attack. Neither McCain nor Romney could, probably from some misplaced habit of comity. Heck, Ryan even got mugged by Biden in the VP debates four years ago and seems at a loss to deal with the current sit in (IMHO). Given that whoever wins the election will lack character, and given the state of the Supreme Court, I’m coming around to voting for Trump.

  41. Chris Says: I had to work full time while going to school to pay for it.

    yes, but this is the new an improved leftist liberal socialist economy, with 15 dollar minimum wages, the aca mandate and more… so you would not have gotten that job before you got your degree and depending on things may not get one after the degree.

    what went before when we had 3% average growth turned into 1.2% revisioned downwards for 8-9 years is not the same…

    let me guess… you went to college POST reagan before they spent the money he saved from the cold war end that clinton took credit for

    and if you were old enough, you could have gotten a really great job at a factory before it moved to china

    and dont forget, in tech you have hundreds of thousands of h1b visas too (and in places like colleges the numbers dont count towards the visa total!!! i put that up too but that was cut down as well).

    then there are the h2 visas.. the 11 million illegals, and outsourcing and offshoring.

    all things probably not as mature as now when you were going..

    when i went to school they pulled the finances out from under me for being a white male, and so no scholarships i could not go despite Bronx Science! which is why its 70% women, and 20% foreign, and not much in the way of white males in college, including the college i work for in research computing.

    i was homeless and living on a park bench to go to college… my sister on the other hand, who did not go to brons science, had money thrown at her, and so has 4 degrees…

    same with my aunt. and she was not very nice… at least till she got two boys of her own and now has to deal with how it is for boys..

  42. Jim Miller Says: During their divorce, Trump’s first wife accused him of rape.

    first you have to realize that the definitino of rape has changed… it is not what it used to be… its been expanded to include everything from consenting and changing your mind the next day, to not stopping fast enough, to changing positions without asking permission, and even to staring

    Stare Rape
    Person 1: What happened to Amy?
    Person 2: Didn’t you hear? Her boyfriend violently raped her yesterday in her home.
    Person 1: That’s almost as bad as when a man looked at me in a bus and stare raped me!

    [neo will find something relative, but not count that this is dominant in colleges, and legal areas in govt, and the others are wackos we are free to hate]

    Goshen College declares all male students who stare at women are rapists
    Straight from the Goshen College website, on a page titled “What men can do to stop rape”:

    “Don’t allow psychological rape or commit it yourself. Psychological rape consists of verbal harassment, whistles, kissing noises, heavy breathing, sly comments or stares. These are all assaults on any woman’s sense of well-being.”

    with that said, remember that Trump has a pre-nup, and so, rape would have been a way to break that, but it wasnt.. and if you read the book in which the information was put in, you will find that he didnt actually rape her in the regular sense that you, or i, or reasonable people would take, but something else

    [note the reasonable person concept was abandoned in legal circles in the 1980s, as was disallowing hearsay on the womans side as evidence]

    During a deposition given to me in connection with my matrimonial case, i stated that my husband had raped me.

    I wish to say that on one occaision during 1989, Mr. Trump and i had marital relationships in which he behaved very differently toward me than he had during our marraige. as a woman, i felt violated, as the lvoe and tenderness which he normally exhibited toward me was absent. i referred to this as “rape”, but i do not want my words to be interpreted in a literal or criminal sense.

    any contraryh conclusion would be an incorrect and most unfortunate interpretation of my statment which i do now want to be interpreted in a speculative fasion and i do not want the press or media to misconstrue any of the facts set forth above. All i wish is that this matter be put to rest

    this statement can only be released and used in its entirety.
    Approved Ivana M. Trump
    Date April 6, 1993

    women use the term way too much in areas where it doesnt belong to get shock value and get hatred or ruin lives when the actual item is not what people would normally say was rape!!! not to mention the 40% that have been found to be lying for revenge and today, lying for the feminist cause

    did you stare rape someone today?

  43. from titlexforall:

    Goshen College’s definition of rape is almost as bad as that of Dr. Liz Kelly, the chair of a Violence Against Women program, who said in her book [1]:

    “Sexual violence includes any physical, visual, verbal or sexual act that is experienced by the woman or girl, at the time or later, as a threat, invasion or assault that has the effect of hurting her or degrading her and/or taken away her ability to control intimate contact.’”

    Goshen College has some other tips on how the menfolk can help stop rape:

    “Don’t allow yourself to be entertained by rape. Rape is a common device used in the media. Many of the myths about rape are depicted in the media. Refuse to watch shows that use rape to “turn on” the audience.”

    Who does that? Seriously. Generally speaking, the only people who “allow themselves” to be entertained by rape are women who fantasize about it, which they apparently do a lot.

    And no, “rape” is not a common media device, unless it is used as a means to create sympathy for a female character. Serial killers (like Dexter) can still be protagonists and even occasionally heroes in modern television. But not serial rapists.

    The Goshen College webpage continues telling men how they can stop rape:

    “Examine your own attitudes. We are not static individuals. Examine your attitudes and see if they make sense. People once thought the world was flat. Now we know better. Remember when most people thought women were inferior to men and men had the right to control them? That’s what we’ve been told all our lives. Now we are learning better.”

    As in, do I remember an age when men were generally treated as superior in all walks of life? An age when women weren’t viewed as superior to men in some ways as well?

    Well no, actually

    you guys really should look at what the young men are dealing with…

    Sex with consent can still be rape
    RAPE you could be doing it without knowing…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_mgg4mn90U

    here is a SJW telling us what she learned
    Men Who Don’t Know They Rape – YouTube
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7gXJIrxct8
    [if your son meets her, run away]
    note that its very hard to find the original video she took down after there was a flood of people making videos off of hers in commentary, like above…

    there is tons of this, which is why i was one of the founders of MGTOW about 10 years go. its now a movement, but i am not really part of it any more (and never thought it would have taken off like it did, get funding, and have thousands of members in many countries!!). https://www.mgtow.com/

  44. By the far the best part of Trump’s speech was when he countered Hillary’s campaign slogan — “I’m With Her” — by saying “I’m with You, the American People.” (May not have that quoted exactly, but you get the gist.)

  45. Artfldgr:

    On the Trump quote about his daughter’s beauty—

    He didn’t say if he weren’t her father he would think her beautiful. He unequivocally said she is beautiful.

    Nothing wrong with saying that, by the way. Those who are critical of what he said are not critical of that, they’re critical of the innuendo that follows: “If I weren’t happily married and, ya know, her father…”

    Trump left the sentence unfinished. So I suppose it is possible to disagree on what he meant, but one thing he did not mean is that he would think her beautiful, since he had already said that, unequivocally.

    As far as what he actually would have said if he had finished the sentence, it’s hard to believe he didn’t mean he would like to date her (or more). Personally, I think what he said was in the nature of a comment on Ivanka’s rather obvious beauty—she’s a gorgeous woman—and fatherly pride in that, combined with a joking sexual innuendo that doesn’t really mean he has sexual designs on his daughter. Trump is indeed a guy who talks about sexual things and thinks about them a lot, and it’s somewhat icky to talk about one’s daughter in a sexual way, but I don’t read him as actually having sexual desires for his daughter.

    It’s a bit of a tempest in a teapot, a somewhat-inappropriate remark that I don’t find very important in the scheme of things, but I understand why people find it objectionable.

  46. We’ve gone from a time when men would say “Hubba, hubba” or wolf whistle, but would take a bullet to prevent a woman from being raped, AND rape was a death penalty offense, AND women expected to be courted and married before sex, to one in which men are not allowed to say “Gee, you look swell!,” or have pinup pictures, but have been taught they don’t even have to pay for dinner to get sex, women have been taught that they should have “zipless f*cks,” but at the same time can get drunk and go up to a boy’s room and claim they didn’t expect to have sex, they can be subject to “stare rape” AND real rape gets you a whole six months in the slam.

    O tempora! O mores!

  47. The only reason to vote for Trump is out of hope. Hope that he won’t govern like the spoiled man-child he clearly is. Hope was a ridiculous platform back in 2008, even worse in 2012, and was dead to me shortly after 2014.

    I won’t vote for someone based on hope again. Everyone who votes for Trump owns the consequences.

  48. Degrees in Gender Studies ARE worthless.

    So, it’s not actually such a bad thing that a truly BAD choice of major ( read: political enthusiasm ) leaves life-long financial punishment.

    %%%%%%

    The better course of action is to apply the Sherman Anti-Trust laws to Big Academe — which is a CARTEL — plain an simple.

    DITTO for Big Medicine.

    These two super-cartels are the bane of the entire economy — reaching out to the four corners of the Earth.

    Likewise, Big Banking and Wall Street have fused — and have become wholly cartellized.

    The wholesale corruption of our securities markets and money exchange — would drive Jesus to distraction. Yes, it’s a hustle.

  49. Matt_SE Says:
    June 23rd, 2016 at 10:11 pm

    Hope and even change is indeed a ridiculous platform to bet your nation’s fate on. But that does mean you admit to voting for hope before?

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