Several Dallas police officers injured during demonstration against recent shootings by police
Breaking news: At least two police officers have been shot at a rally to “show solidarity for communities affected by officer-involved shootings this week in Louisiana and Minnesota.”
There’s very little news on the condition of the officers. I’m reading and hearing that there have been two officers wounded, but some reports say up to six, and that police are now negotiating with what is described as “a second shooter” or perhaps the original suspect. The protest had apparently been peaceful until the shooting occurred.
In breaking stories there is always a lot of confusion, so I expect there will be significant updates and changes.
UPDATE 11:30 PM
It has been announced that three officers (two police officers and one National Guard) [correction: I heard “Guard” but announcers were actually saying “DART” which I believe means Dallas Area Rapid Transit] were killed and seven more were seriously injured, three in critical condition. The shootings were a sniper type affair, from a height. I’m hearing this on Fox News.
They seem to be apprehending a suspect, or what looks like a suspect or possible suspect.
The original killings (in Louisiana and Minnesota) that the crowd was protesting are still in the process of being investigated. Both seem to involve black men killed by white officers, and although in both cases we do not yet know what actually happened, there is a real possibility of what would be a very troubling pattern of police shooting people with undrawn weapons. I hadn’t written about either of these cases yet because (recalling all the complicated situations in the past where the initial reports ended up being very misleading) I was waiting for more definitive facts to come out.
UPDATE 7/8 12:02 AM
The Dallas police chief says there were 11 officers shot. Two police officers have died as well as one transit officer, and one civilian was also wounded. A suspect is “trapped” in an undisclosed location.
UPDATE 12:45 AM
Police have now reported that a fourth officer has died, and that both suspects are in custody. There is also a “suspicious device” or package that the bomb squad is now investigating.
Some of the officers were shot in the back (recalling for me this terrible killing).
There is little doubt that the perpetrators wished to sow chaos, fear, and racial hatred. There is also little doubt they were aiming to pick off police officers but that they were also firing into a huge crowd of civilians and were willing to kill some of them if need be.
UPDATE 1:35 AM
Police Chief Brown says negotiations are ongoing with a suspect on the second floor of a parking garage who has been sporadically exchanging gunfire with police and threatening that there are many bombs around town set to go off. Police are investigating those claims. There are also several more suspects in custody, two males who were apprehended in a car, as well as one female.
One or two snipers shot at least 10 officers. Three dead.
@FROG
It could be as you say, probably so, but don’t leave out the possibility of the Religion of Peace.
When you have Hollywood putting out such trash as “Machette” and “The Hateful Eight” — this is what results — a breakdown in civil trust, civil order.
EVERY THING about this shooting smacks of a highly prepared operation…
Of orchestration.
The person of interest shown in a released photo is: black, age 30, wearing camo ,has a rifle slung over his shoulder and is walking through and with a racially mixed crowd of young people going to restaurants and bars as if this dude was just part of the scenery, kinda normal.
Three cops dead,several critical (may die) total of eleven hit.
The bloodletting will become a two -way street, and TX aint a wimpy place like New England.
5 years ago I was saying that we are 25 to 30 years away from a shooting civil war. Within the last year I’ve revised that estimate to 5 or 6 years. Now I’m upgrading that to “we are on the brink” of Civil War 2.0.
The Feds recognize this as they are trying to disarm the militia. They have armed many agencies that never carried weapons before. They have purchased more ammunition for these agencies than the military used in the Iraq war.
Stand bye for further chaos in the streets
With regard to this, I would highliy recommed reading this article
http://fredoneverything.org/some-things-detwaddled-cops-race-that-sort-of-tlhings/
This particular part of the article is food for thoughts:
Yann:
The excerpt you posted has nothing to do with the possible fact situation I am describing, where weapons are undrawn. In other words, nowhere in sight. Not in the hand at all.
A suspect holding a weapon is a completely different fact situation, obviously.
Frog, that suspect has been cleared. Also, looking forward to violence and killing because your feelings were hurt by some television commercials makes you sound like a psychopath.
“I hadn’t written about either of these cases yet because (recalling all the complicated situations in the past where the initial reports ended up being very misleading) I was waiting for more definitive facts to come out.”
You have more grace and forbearance than Obama. But then who doesn’t?
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/philando-castile-alton-sterling-josh-earnest/index.html
And when he’s thousands of miles away in a foreign country. What a disgusting sh*tstain he is. Sorry for the language but that’s about as much as I can restrain myself. It’s a cinch he will not express as much outrage about tonight’s shootings in Dallas.
Florida Gator Sas at 11:49 pm
“…don’t leave out the possibility of the Religion of Peace.”
Silly Frog. There you go again thinking for yourself. You didn’t wait until Obama told you that the truth that the problem is guns. If there is one thing we can know for sure, even before there is an investigation, that is that no violence can possibly have anything to do with “the religion of peace.”
It is not about weapons being visible. It’s about the HANDS being visible.
You’re in a car, you lower your left arm, it’s suddenly out of sight for the police out of the car. You pick a gun, the police won’t have time to know before you shoot him.
Your hand for a moment in your back, or under your coat, and the same applies.
That’s why police command to move slowly and to have your hands apart from your body, or over the steer wheel when you’re in a car. It’s about not lo lose sight of your hands at all.
It’s not about undrawn weapons, it’s about whether your hands are out of sight, because if they’re out of sight a policeman can not be sure if there’s or there isn’t any undrawn weapon. And if then, suddenly you move quickly, some hand out of sight, they’ll likely to shoot.
And that’s what they should do. If they wanna go back home.
This guy Alton Sterling? who was fighting with the police when he was shot? More on him:
And more:
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/07/07/sold-felon-alton-sterling-illegally-acquired-gun/
I think it would behoove those of us who do Not have to make these snap judgements to be a little more humble about how unerring we would be in such a dreadful situation.
The BLM protests are, of course, orchestrated from coast to coast by the Usual Suspects.
Tonight in New York City, they were marching around 8:00, across 14th Street and up 6th Avenue when I saw them. Thousands. Mostly black, with a fair number of white birdbrains. Chanting their rage, striking attitudes. We took refuge in a restaurant, though these goons have been known to harass and intimidate whites in restaurants, college libraries, hell, anywhere they feel like it.
One last thing: watch the videos of the gun battle in Dallas, and it really does sound like a war zone and definitely more than one shooter.
AC, dahling, my feelings are not “hurt” by some TV commercials. I cite them and their often Negroid vocal style as an example of the shift to Ubermenchen. 13% of the population, no? Capital Bank is prime example.
A fifth cop just died.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protests-in-Dallas-Over-Alton-Sterling-Death-385784431.html
Well here we go.
Supposing, as it looks now, that there were more than two shooters, the point is not that they were prepared. If you get your stuff together in preparation for what might come along some time, you don’t have to hurry.
The demo had a short prep time. So it was maybe a day you have to call your buddies and go do what you’d talked about, gamed out.
Point is not preparation. It’s that the motivation was such that they were READY to go with a day’s notice. Didn’t need a week’s motivation course someplace. They were ready and when the opportunity presented itself and presented them with the fattest target they could have imagined it only took a couple of…figuratively speaking…nods at one another.
Dems and left, at this very moment:
frantically scheming strategy to, as best as possible, turn this to their political advantage (and/or decisively change the subject). The pretend media, at this very moment, have their ears perked up, their noses sniffing the wind, alert for the left-friendly meme/theme which they will instantly begin selling to America and the world.
To me, Barack’s possible play = wag the dog:
missile strike, mini invasion, hostage rescue, rescue of Christians in peril, prisoner exchange, sudden arrest of group of domestic terrorists.
Richard Fernandez has an insightful piece on this today:
Excerpt:
A community organizer’s training and instincts are to turn such circumstances to their advantage. President Obama has called this a tragedy, which leaves open the possibility of calling for more gun control because of this tragedy. I’m thinking this is where this will go. I don’t expect to hear him try to cool the situation, in Dallas and the rest of the country. Nor do I expect George Soros’ One World money to go toward that end. They talk about revolution and civil war. It’ll be very ugly if it comes, and I for one hope and pray it will not.
The center cannot hold.
Things fall apart.
First, condolences to the spouses, children, and families of those slain in this needless political theater.
Stoked to the burning point by the poisonous and divisive rhetoric of the president, the democrats, all the rest on the left.
Further fueled by a dishonest, irresponsible, and partisan media. Ignited by trained agitators.
Agitators emboldened by the direction and successes of the last eight years, the catatonic state of most of the public, and the knowledge that the media will provide air cover, ratchet up the level of action.
The recent
This tragedy allows attention to be diverted from the most blatant cover up of Hillary’s latest criminal behavior and its dismissal. (Do check out the link)
It also allows attention to be refocused back to gun control and the project to disarm and increase control over the citizenry.
It seemed that Hillary’s latest escape from consequences was maybe beginning to wake some folks up to just how deep the rot is. Diversion was required. It has been achieved.
It has never been hard to subtly goad some over agitated morons into stupid and deadly action. Done in such a way as to enable those truly responsible to distance themselves from any hint of involvement. Obviously, those who perpetrated this cold blooded murder were not thinking in these terms, but those who finance, enable, and (to some extent) direct them were.
Divide an conquer is the only strategy that the left has. And they are playing it for all it is worth. This president, aided by an emboldened hard left cadre of professional agitators (ACORN, Black Lives Matter, etc.) a corrupt and cowardly so called opposition, a partisan and weaponized civil service, an academia which is almost entirely of the left, and a 24/7/365 news cycle that spins faster and faster until it is difficult to keep track of it all and fatigue sets in.
Everything possible in the last eight years has been done to divide the public, to pit identity group against identity group, to weaken the economy, our military, the social infrastructure, our standing abroad with our allies, and our enemies, the opening of our borders. It’s been Cloward-Piven all the way and they can smell the potential victory of their cause if Hillary can be elected, fraudulently or not. Because the country may not be able to come back from another fours years of deliberate sabotage. And rest assured, if Hillary is elected, she will be in for eight years. I will bet money on that.
I know it may sound over the top. However, if you think that this was not premeditated, if you do not think that the response to this will be, as with the massacre in Orlando, to shift focus away from the exposure of the rot to the divisive hot button issues of gun control and racism or some other issue designed to deflect attention, I have a bridge I want to sell you.
The anarchists smell power. From where and whom are they getting their bravado?
Predictably the left is calling for the destruction of the second amendment.
Predictably several dozen blacks will be murdered this weekend by blacks in democrat Chicago and predictably the left refuses to address this.
Predictably the democrat president is attempting to exacerbate race relations.
Always remember with the left, they will say and do anything to get and keep power.
And the Alt Right will be all too happy to play along. After all they want power too.
Tim P–excellent synopsis of exactly what I feel. I just happened to send my youngest son an American Thinker article from 2008 on Cloward-Piven yesterday, just before this transpired. The people I feel most angry with are the “useful idiots”–my family, friends and fellow citizens that fall-in with the media spin and Democrat BS because they have zero knowledge of the framework of our government, the founding principles and live in an atmosphere of making excuses for every kind of sin, as long as it is done by those deemed a “victim”. Let’s face it the victim-groups cover everyone except the conservative, white male and his family–oh and the police force.
Is anyone here familiar with a concise explanation for the reason there is a 2nd amendment–the fact that its purpose is intended to protect us from a rogue government? Peter Hitchens had said that if a Disneyland-like place, depicting life under a totalitarian regime wasn’t erected following the break up of the former Soviet Union, soon people wouldn’t have a knowledge of what that is. Interestingly, he also said, the west was more negatively infected by the break-up than vice-versa.
The article in my newspaper was by AP which mentioned the victim’s name and noted he was shot by “white policemen.” I’m surprised they didn’t note the gun was black and that the pavement was grey.
Will DoJ investigate this as a hate crime?
Check this out about who funds Black Lives Matter.
Frog, you still seem awfully upset by a commercial. Maybe the next time you start looking forward to murder you should turn off the tv and read a good book instead.
Another story about the impenetrable smugness and sense of entitlement to the substance of the lives of others of the irremediably ignorant youth of America.
We are of course just features of the environment which they find it necessary, or convenient, to use in order to get the satisfactions they seek.
So, an uncle dies and a service takes place some time later. His son, my cousin, has a post-service gathering at his house.
My cousin’s son, my “nephew” and godchild, an amiable college drop out, gets into a discussion with one of his real uncles, meaning his mother’s brother.
The kid is going with a lefty girl in med school, and has become enamored of Sanders. It’s the first time I have seen the “kid” (now 26) in about 4 years.
The uncle, a Trump supporter (and either well informed or B.S.ing) says to the kid something like,
“Your guy is a socialist and says he’s for economic justice. Yet he had $XXX something in income last year on which he paid only x percent tax; whereas I who made much less paid a tax rate much higher. What kind of social justice hypocrisy is that? Why should I pay a higher tax rate?”
The kid, not bothering with, or unable to address any possible issue of tax deductions, and probably suspecting that the moral point was not well served by such a response anyway, blandly replied,
“it’s not up to the individual citizen to determine what his tax rate should be”.
Ahhh … what aplomb.
No, it comes under the classification of workplace violence.
The police were at work when they were killed by a disgruntled client, upset at their dismissive and prejudiced attitudes.
very predictable… and i said that such stuff would pick up before the election… just as he was going out (not much while he was in) and if trump wins there will be more than if hillary wins…
it also reminds me of the stuff i brought up a while back and is connected to the groups involved
way back i pointed out that ayers and the weather underground wanted to start a race war, which is why they robbed the brinks truck in nanuet with a black organization of muslims in 1981 (not the 1970s)
this was the same goal of the wacko charles manson..
this is always about agit prop and revolution
they been ginning up the black population from all sides and now its going to be easy to divide us… and divided we are open to war, and open to our being too busy to persue our interests internationally, etc
and if you want you can look back to
Aug 9, 2011 – Artfldgr Says
At its heart, The Coming Insurrection reads like a cross between anarcho-primitivism and neo-situationism.
there are other early links and i said what was coming long ago…but it was so far removed no one wanted to listen… then AFTER the fact, no one listens cause everyone is speaking….
go figure. i brought up the coming insurection, the brinks truck, black liberation theology, the weather undergound pedegree, and more…
OVER 7 YEARS AGO… HERE ON NEONEOCON BLOG
FROM: http://neoneocon.com/2011/08/09/meanwhile-in-the-rest-of-the-world-things-fall-apart-the-london-riots/#comment-259407
at the bottom of this post was my pointing out they planned for decades to kill cops…
though i dont know if the youtube link works any more since 2011
HERE IS WHAT I SAID IN 2011 ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE TATE LA BIANCA MURDERS IN CALIFORNIA:
George Lincoln Rockwell met with the Nation of Islam in Washington, D.C. in 1961
In the 1930′s the Nation of Islam was called “The Voodoo Cult” by the Detroit police. The founder of the Nation of Islam mandated that each member should sacrifice four whites, as described starting on page 903 in this article in the American Journal of Sociology about the early history of the Nation of Islam. The title of the article comes from the name that Detroit police then used for the Nation of Islam.
-=-=-=-=-=-
Black Liberation Theology was started in the late 1960′s. It was designed to appeal more to black urban professionals by a professor in a seminary, James H. Cone. The purpose of Black Liberation Theology appears to have been to spread the core racist beliefs of the Nation of Islam into the black Christian churches. At the time it was implemented, the head of the NOI, Elijah Muhammad, was emphasizing the need for professional people to join the movement, for example in his book, “The Theology of Time.”
Nazi, Tom Metzger, Addresses New Black Panthers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCer_VUT_DA
what you have, as i said, is many groups with variations on a theme of attraction, but all with common goals, and focus, and coordination…
Black Panthers Talk About Ambushing and Killing Cops
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1yeDa-jCTA
Artfldgr:
I had not yet seen your comment when I wrote my most recent post, but it has some overlap.
Just one more bit of information to file away-
Heather McDonald was just on Limbaugh and the following bit of information stuck out!!
Everyone knows that “Black Lives matter because the police shoot black men indiscriminately” Right?
How is this for Reality instead of opinions.
Who is more likely to be shot in a confrontation between a police officer and a black man?
A police officer is 17 1/2 times more likely to be shot by a black man than a black man is likely to be shot by the police.
Something MSM isn’t interested in. Don’t confuse me with facts, my mind is made up.
a sample article written 6/2016
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/deadly-cost-americas-anti-cop-ideology-9027.html
given how many times i hammered away on the plans put forth in the middle of last century, connected the dots, laid out the players and where they were
how could you not remember that stuff neo?
too bad they will now go to your new post and will not post here or read what i put up. i will repost the second one there too.
Art:
You can always start your own blog instead of berating our hostess. It is her house by the way.
Arfldgr:
What is this “we forget them” business?
You really would do well to focus on stating the facts in as brief a manner as possible to get the facts across, and leaving off the imagining about what other people remember or forget. You don’t read minds.
OM Says: Art: You can always start your own blog instead of berating our hostess. It is her house by the way.
i had a few…
at one time i with a few others started MGTOW on mancoat
and the other blog i had, i was visited at home, and threatened… but this was in the early days of the internet world
now, i do not want to end up in prison when i travel to a foreign state for what i say, or want to be on the no fly list for my opinions, and more so.
neo-neocon Says: July 8th, 2016 at 3:27 pm
You really would do well to focus on stating the facts in as brief a manner as possible to get the facts across, and leaving off the imagining about what other people remember or forget. You don’t read minds.
neo- after you learned that santa clause and the easter bunny dont exist, do you reference them as if they do? doesnt take a mind reader to know when someone knows some information or not… does it? there are lots of clues in peoples writings… ie. do you tell the story that was for consumption, or do you reference the actual historical facts that most have forgotten? if you know those facts you can tell when someone knows or doesnt know… i would rather not think that they know and are using the wrong information purposefully to mislead.
if your well versed in something, its pretty easy to tell that another person has no idea of what they are talking about as they make idiotic points that have no bearing to the information that one knows!!!
why is this so hard for you to get?
lots of people know surface details, but fewer know inner details…
but if your talking about certain things and you dont know the names of the people or that it started long before they are claiming it started and so on, then you know the bs. my sister is a teacher, my cousin is a teacher… you think students dont try to bs their way through things?
one thing people wont do easily is admit they dont know…
even now, your harping on me to believe people know when i have yet to hear them quote the sources, give the names, and reference the material, makes no sense other than ego protection
Vincent van Gogh cut his ear off… yes? or no?
did he give it to a prostitute? or is there some other fact?
once you know the fact, can you then reference the wrong information and ignore it?
Read “Pakt des Schweigens”
so.. now that you know that Gauguin cut his ear off… will you still tell the story of the mad man who cut it off and gave it to a prostitute?
a bit more if you dont believe:
In the first letter that Vincent van Gogh wrote after the incident, he told Gauguin, “I will keep quiet about this and so will you.” That apparently was the beginning of the “pact of silence.”
Years later, Gauguin wrote a letter to another friend and in a reference about van Gogh he said, “A man with sealed lips, I cannot complain about him.”
Kaufmann also cites correspondence between van Gogh and his brother Theo, in which the painter hints at what happened that night without directly breaking the “pact of silence” – he writes that “it is lucky Gauguin does not have a machine gun or other firearms, that he is stronger than him and that his ‘passions’ are stronger.”
again. will you now tell the world the wrong story of the madman, or the right story of Gauguin
if you hear people discussing the mad man angle, would you not assume that they dont know the Gauguin history and the promise that protects both?
THATS how i know… no mind reading needed…
in fact i assume that people who know the Gauguin story, will not pretend to have factual discussions and entertain the madman story just to keep the wrong information going
it doesnt take mind reading
it takes knowlege and thinking
if one knows the sky is blue, one does not converse about how yellow it is
its really that simple… if one knows the facts from the books and mostly forgotten history of the early century AND the history that came after that changed the facts, one does NOT keep saying the wrong information
here is another one… people believe that Notstradamus predicted the rise and fall of hitler, but mispelled his name, hilter or hister… do you think that he did this? or do you know the real story?
if you search your going to be buried under information as to his predictions
but if you know to look at the pamplet drops during WWII… you will then know that this was faked and dropped in germany… the west thought that hitler being superstitious would beleive that nostradamus predicted his rise and fall, and so, would make mistakes
Nostradamus prophezeit den Kriegsverlauf is a British brochure, written in German, which in 1943 was spread in Germany. On page 224 in Die schwarze Propaganda (Berlin, 1983, a translation of The black game, London, 1982, the British researcher Ellic Howe, who back in those days had printed this brochure, wrote that the text of Nostradamus prophezeit den Kriegsverlauf was written by either the author/astrologer Louis de Wohl, who in the fourties worked for section 1 of the Special Operations Executive, an office which was occupied with psychological warfare, or one Rene Hakets.
now… if you know that, will you still claim that he predicted hitlers rise and fall???
so give me a break already… there is tons of this. and even more of it after the revisionist left has swept took their long march through the institutions…
Neo:
“Tim P Says:
This tragedy allows attention to be diverted from the most blatant cover up of Hillary’s latest criminal behavior and its dismissal. (Do check out the link)”
Yes, please do. It’s titled “Comey has long history of cases ending favorable to Clintons.” It begins shortly after the case you admonished me for linking to recently re: Comey’s “integrity”.
Now I’m not a big fan of Schlussel, she’s irascible, cantankerous and highly opinionated. I go there mainly for her hilarious movie reviews. She has lots of contacts deep in the DHS, particularly concerning the MI Muslim enclaves of Dearborn and Hamtranck, and breaks lots of stories about Muslim entrenchment in that agency and Islam in general that the media won’t touch.
I read the the links you provided – The LA Times and CBS. Really? Like they’re going to give a rising Republican star prosecuting suspected Muslim terrorists a fair hearing? I spent a couple hours reading more stories about the affair. The case that Comey made against Convertino and the government investigator seemed awfully thin to this non-attorney, and a federal jury found them not guilty of all charges in 45 minutes. Of course, both their careers were destroyed in the process, so the left won anyway.
And the link that makes her site “questionable”? I’m Polish and I can certainly sympathize with her blaming Poland for the deaths of her family in the Nazi’s Polish concentration camps the same way many don’t want to let Germany and all its people off the hook for Hitler’s atrocities.
Because she might get things wrong now and then and pick fights with big-name conservatives is not a reason to dismiss out of hand everything she says. That’s one of the left’s favorite ploys: scour the enemy’s books, speeches and the public records, find a date wrong here, an incorrect factoid there, an opinion they disagree with and proclaim “liar!” and trash their credibility for all time. (You know, like certain Republican candidates might do to rivals.)
That lengthy set-up is to explain why I believe that it’s Comey’s integrity that’s questionable. After 50 years of watching the left’s nearly complete long march, it’s obvious to me that Alinsky’s tactics and philosophy are now built into their DNA, and honor, integrity, principles have been bred out. Comey, like other leftists, may be good to his family and friends, and in cases with zero political considerations, fair and unbiased, but their religion is collectivism and all of us on the right are their devil, who must be destroyed by any and all means.
I have learned not to trust anyone on the left, about anything, because taqiyyah.
geokstr:
Schussel is not a good source for information; she twisted the facts of that case.
However, I’ve already pointed out Comey’s history (Whitewater, Clinton pardon case, in this post), and suggested that his history indicated that he was always going to let Hillary walk in the present case. You may have missed the end of that post, where I briefly go into that history of Comey’s.
Let me add that just because something’s in the LA Times that does NOT mean it’s untrue. Do your own research, look at many sources, trust no one without checking and checking—not the left, and not Schussel, not the right. Put it all together for yourself and try to be as objective as possible.
See, Parker, I did tell you that one only needed to be patient for a few years. Back in 2013 or 2014, you were anticipating the CW II to have already started. Well certainly the Left continues to wage war against humanity, but it takes a few more Wacos to wake up the rest of the country.
And they’re getting woken up right now. For those that believed elections could solve the problems, for those that believed the Leftist alliance was merely a clown car full of clowns or at best a political party you could defeat at the polls, consider this. What you have seen is merely a small taste of the Leftist alliance’s power. And even if you fear Islamic Jihad’s foreign influence and foreign terrorists, know this, the Left can produce a number of terrorists domestically, that equal Islamic JIhad’s brutality. Remember that, when you talk to your fellow Democrat friends and associates.
Also, I did tell people the Left were training kill squads, but people preferred to believe in their own fantasy world. They kept saying “Hussein hasn’t killed anyone yet”. Well, that depends on how they define as “kill”, doesn’t it.
John Dough Says:
July 8th, 2016 at 1:13 am
5 years ago I was saying that we are 25 to 30 years away from a shooting civil war.
Within 50 years from 2007. After the election of Hussein, however, the Left accelerated their pace. Which reduces it to 15-25 years from 2012. Given the number of variables, the likeliest time is the next Presidential term, or kingdom.