December 27th, 2016

Another charge against Trump: libido-crusher!

Okay, now we’ve heard everything:

Sex therapist Kimberly Resnick Anderson claims Trump winning the presidency has led to a widespread loss of libido in the bedroom among her clients.

Dubbing it ‘The Trump Bedroom Backlash’ Resnick Anderson says she has seen it time and again in her office.

But she claims it is more widespread than just what she describes as the ‘mecca for progressives and liberals’.

The certified sex expert told DailyMail.com: ‘Since Trump won a common complaint in my office is that women get more easily annoyed when their husbands or boyfriends initiate sex.

‘There are so many women complaining about it, I dubbed it “The Trump Bedroom Backlash”.

Wow.

I have to say that this news surprised me. I had often assumed that political stress—which these woman are experiencing—might enhance the desire to bed down and get away from it all. Sort of like what sometimes happens in wartime, when people think their lives might end soon and they want to have a wild fling both to forget about it and to have some fun before the doors close.

Apparently not in this case:

‘One of my patients admitted, ‘Since Trump won, the thought of having sex is unappealing to me. All I can picture is him boasting about exploiting women…It makes me sick.’

‘This sentiment rings throughout my office on a frequently increasing basis.

That’s a clue right there. I think such women are coming up with a syllogism. You know the syllogism:

All men are mortal

Socrates is a man

Therefore Socrates is mortal

Of course, that’s not the syllogism operating here.. Now we have a syllogistic fallacy that probably goes something like this:

My husband is a man

Trump is a man

Therefore my husband is like Trump

And another clue can be found here:

‘Another patient lamented to me that since his wife discovered he was a Trump supporter, “she wants nothing to do with me in the bedroom. It’s as if I am suddenly the enemy.”‘

‘A couple sat in my office and she said, “If you support Trump in any way, shape or form, then we do not share core values. And if we do not share core values, it’s hard to be sexually attracted to you.”‘

I have no doubt that some of you are inclined to revile these women, or to laugh at them, or both. But understand one thing, which is that it has been drummed into their heads (and they sincerely believe) that Trump is Hitlerian. Almost the devil. Evil personified. If a person believes that, it’s not politics as usual, and it’s not okay if that person’s friends or spouse support evil.

I actually know one of these couples, although not at all well. In this case, a forty-plus year marriage is imperiled.

As Trump would say: Sad.

[ADDENDUM: Commenter “Brian E” doubted whether these relationships were healthy to begin with, and my answer is that I’m pretty sure some of the relationships weren’t healthy, but I’d bet that quite a few were healthy.

“Healthy,” that is, not in the sense of “perfect,” but in the sense of “pretty good.”

What if something very basic about the belief system of someone you married had changed? What if, for example, you married an atheist, you were an atheist, and later on the person became very religious and observant? Or, vice versa? You were both believers went to church together, volunteered for church things together, and then the person became an atheist and declared believers to be fools?

I could go on and on with more examples, but the point is that politics is very much a belief system—and a pretty basic one at that. For some people, it’s even a way of life. If two spouses were always on the same page together before this election, it could be a very profound shock when one leaves the fold.

This is especially true of supporting Trump, a man even his admirers admit is no ordinary candidate or ordinary politician, and who has a lot of offensive (or at the very least controversial) characteristics in terms of language and past behavior. Some of this was demonstrated on the campaign trail or brought out from the archives as a result of the campaign, and is now quite well-known. Znd some of it had a sexual content, as well.

For some women, the idea that a spouse who was formerly of like mind with them is now supporting THAT EVIL MAN is a very difficult one to swallow, even in a marriage that was previously peaceful and companionate. Or maybe especially in a marriage that was previously peaceful and companionate.]

60 Responses to “Another charge against Trump: libido-crusher!”

  1. Rufus Firefly Says:

    One of the Little Fireflies was born in September 2000. The hospital nursery was filled to overflowing; set a record. The nurses explained that a lot of folks were apparently spurred to procreate around New Years of Y2K.

    I remember hearing of a similar spike 9 months after 9/11.

  2. Jim Doherty Says:

    Jack Nicholson in the movie, As Good as it gets, he starts with a man, then takes away all reason and accountability.

    The fact that Hillary has many negatives is lost on these people, so they cannot see someone looking at the two and choosing the lesser of two evils. To them, Trump is as you say pure evil, Hillary is a victim.

    This is why I think you have to indict hillary. None of this she has suffered enough crap. I dont care about Hillary but the people who think she has been proven innocent are the issue. Just today at lunch I was listening to NPR, and someone providing a look back on the election, said she was exonerated twice by the FBI.

    This is dangerous. there are many many folks in prison because of mishandling classified info, who had no intent to do harm. Allowing Hillary to skate empowers her followers to think she is pure. And those poor folks still in prison are watching this.

    If women are equal, then they need to be held to account as if they were men. I mean teachers having sex with students as well as people like Hillary and everywhere else.

    Also I would call out hitting. Women seem to think its still cool to hit men. I had to chastise my daughter about this myself. Young girls watch older women, and see them sock their brothers and husbands with abandon. They do that out in public and they are going to get knocked out now days. Double standards are evil, sometimes in ways we do not see right away.

  3. Richard Aubrey Says:

    Can’t recall where i read it, but the difference in thinking between men and women was exemplified in looking at the refugee issue.
    There was a picture of a drowned kid on the shore, apparently in an attempt with his family to escape refugee camps in Jordan or Turkey.
    Women said….HORRORS! We must let these people in.
    Men said, what moron put that poor little kid in a boat and set out in a storm?
    I am not going to defend the assertion of a blanket difference.
    However, and this might be circular, when I hear an argument like the first, I presume it’s a woman making it, unless it’s a guy and then I think he’s thinking like a woman.
    Look up the sad case of Xander Vento. There was an overhead of the pool in which he drowned saving a little girl. My question was WTF? It was a pool party. How could this happen? (If everybody’s watching, nobody’s watching.) I was reproached. Didn’t I know a little kid was dead? Reproaches came from women.
    Reading a book a bout the Battle of The Java Sea. The author details–in great detail–the relative combat power of the Allies at that point and of the Japanese. I suggested that, if the Allies had had double the combat power, the Japanese might have done the math and stayed home. Nobody gets hurt. Didn’t see the down side. Or at least been dealt with more briskly and a lot fewer people hurt. Ditto the downside.
    But…..MORE GUNS!!!!! Ewww. Icky. Didn’t I want peace? Came from the women in the group. If there had been liberal men there, I don’t know what they’d have said.
    Perhaps there’s a connection with the endless liberal references to toxic masculinity Libs think like women and doing the math is a masculine thing.

  4. Brian E Says:

    I doubt these relationships were healthy before Trump became Hitler.

    Curious what would happen if these husbands told their wives that “The Taming of the Shrew” was their favorite play?

  5. Ken Mitchell Says:

    Men, if you’re living with a woman whose libido has been crushed by Donald Trump’s election, then rejoice and take comfort in the fact that she has revealed herself too soon. Separate or divorce NOW, before things get even worse. Trust me; you do NOT want to get (or remain) involved with one of those SJWs who will inevitably crush your heart. Better to escape NOW before you’ve suffered through years of a Dead Bedroom.

    http://reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms

  6. neo-neocon Says:

    Brian E:

    I’m sure some of the relationships weren’t healthy, and I’d bet quite a few were healthy.

    “Healthy,” that is, not in the sense of “perfect,” but in the sense of “pretty good.”

    What if something very basic about the belief system of someone you married had changed? What if, for example, you married an atheist, you were an atheist, and later on the person became very religious and observant? Or, vice versa? You were both believers went to church together, volunteered for church things together, and then the person became an atheist and declared believers to be fools?

    I could go on and on with this. The point is that politics are very much a belief system and for some people a way of life. If spouses were always on the same page together before, it can be a profound shock when one leaves the fold. This is especially true of supporting Trump, who even his admirers admit is no ordinary candidate or ordinary politician, has a lot of offensive characteristics in terms of language and past behavior (some of it on the campaign trail and quite well-known). The idea that a spouse who formerly was of like mind with you is now supporting THAT EVIL MAN is a very different one to swallow even in a marriage that previously was peaceful and companionate.

  7. neo-neocon Says:

    Ken Mitchell:

    Hmmm, let’s see. It’s been seven weeks since Election Day. It’s about three weeks till the inauguration.

    Sure, leave! Today! Right away! Don’t give her a chance to recover from her shock. Don’t worry about the effect of divorce on the kids. Go! NOW!

    You don’t see this as a bit premature?

    You don’t think a bit of love and patience and a little tincture of time might be worth a try?

  8. Nick Says:

    There have been friendships ruined by this election – it wouldn’t surprise me if marriages were as well. But more immediately, some people are going through a bit of grief-related depression about it. Nothing squelches the mood like depression.

  9. Mr. Frank Says:

    Lefties like to pride themselves on being smarter than most people. These women sound really stupid.

  10. neo-neocon Says:

    Mr. Frank:

    I don’t see how emotions have much to do with smartness or stupidity at all.

    And see my response here.

  11. neo-neocon Says:

    Nick:

    I think you are right about the depression part.

  12. Kyndyll G Says:

    Unspoken truth: If your life is that wrapped around who was elected president, you have an issue, and that issue is leftism.

    This seems to be almost entirely a lefty phenomenon. While we conservatives were bitterly disappointed that half the nation was stupid enough to elect Obama again, we did not throw tantrums for weeks over it. I do not recall hearing about families being torn apart – siblings and spouses literally cutting each other out of their lives. It could be that I’ve been a moderate/right-leaning moderate at a time when aggressive leftism ruthlessly shuts down anyone with a conservative idea, but it seems to me that as a group, we are more willing to interact with a person separate of that person’s beliefs and less driven to start fights over differing beliefs.

    It seems like a lot of leftists aren’t even an existing person separate of politics – all things, all conversations, all relationships, every line of dialog in a movie, a puddle stepped in outside of the front door, everything, can only be viewed in terms of leftist politics. Moreover, they cannot compromise, they cannot live-and-let-live, they cannot concede that some people believe differently and that’s OK, and they cannot simply STFU about it, even when they know that the listener doesn’t agree. Their politics are more important than relationships with others. My own family is one which has been ripped in half by left-leaning Boomer-age siblings instigating fights with their right-leaning counterparts in every conversation until there can be no more conversations.

    There are two things I hope for as a result of the Trump years. Barring external catastrophe I expect improvement in economy and world affairs (I can’t see how anything, including dart-throwing and reading of tea leaves, would have worse results than a far-left ideologue mucking up everything he touches). As a result of that, I hope that angry politics-is-my-life leftists are relegated to the fringe; and I hope we don’t become like them.

  13. Ackler Says:

    I agree, Kyndyll. Wholeheartedly

  14. neo-neocon Says:

    Kyndyll:

    Even on this blog there were several commenters saying they had cut every liberal friend they had out of their lives, and advised me to do the same. Liberals were evil through and through, all of them, no exceptions.

    I actually forget who it was who said this, but it wasn’t just one person.

    So I think your memories and perceptions are selective. I have seen a lot of it on both sides over the years. I do agree it appears to be somewhat more common among liberals, though. That’s from anecdotal evidence, as well as this.

  15. expat Says:

    I wonder how much feminism as to do with this. I suspect that lots of women saw the first woman president thing as a personal validation of their own importance. That a locker room talker could beat her must seem like her Trump-voting husband sees her as second class. And I think this could all take place on a subconscious level.

  16. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    “it has been drummed into their heads (and they sincerely believe) that Trump is Hitlerian. Almost the devil. Evil personified. If a person believes that, it’s not politics as usual, and it’s not okay if that person’s friends or spouse support evil.” neo

    “For some women, the idea that a spouse who was formerly of like mind with them is now supporting THAT EVIL MAN is a very difficult one to swallow, even in a marriage that was previously peaceful and companionate. Or maybe especially in a marriage that was previously peaceful and companionate.]” neo

    There’s a fundamental contradiction here. Especially in a marriage that was previously “peaceful and companionate”…

    When confronted with their spouse’s support for an “EVIL MAN”… wouldn’t it make sense for the woman to reflect upon the obvious contradiction?

    As, given that she’s married to him… she knows her husband to be capable of sustaining a peaceful and companionate relationship, an indication of maturity and consideration in the spouse. And, who in all other ways continues to express those qualities…

    That for such a man to support evil makes no sense, given that it does not comport with being a peaceful and considerate person.

    IMO, any woman unwilling to reflect upon that contradiction, self-defines as an ideologue.

    Which brings to mind the injunction to first, ‘pluck the beam from one’s own eye, before pointing to the splinter in the other person’s eye’.

    These women are being called to reexamine their beliefs and instead, lacking the self-honesty necessary to self-examination, they are throwing away their marriage. And that is truly sad.

  17. Cornhead Says:

    It is stories like this that prove – as if there was any doubt – that liberals are nuts.

  18. parker Says:

    I find it extremely difficult to relate to the hysteria of these women. I am guessing they are under 30 or perhaps 40 and their bubble has seemed secure for the past 8 years.. I do not doubt their self induced angst and rage is real, but it is self induced.

    Did they lose their jobs on 11/9? Were they bank accounts seized by the IRS? Were their electricity or water cut off for failure to pay their bills? Will their choice to have an abortion or their access to birth control end suddenly? And crudely, but pertinent, did George Clooney no longer stir their juices? Nothing tangible in their lives has changed and will not change on 1/21/17. Their hysteria is imaginary. Sad indeed.

  19. Steve57 Says:

    neo-neocon said:

    I’m sure some of the relationships weren’t healthy,…

    I just got back from a Christmas trip to California. I got ostracized by a guy I knew since the late ’80s because I don’t hate Trump.

    Anyone who paid the slightest bit of attention to anything I said about Trump knows I don’t like the man. And I’ve mocked Trump and his supporters at pretty much every turn; I believe I coined the term “Trumptard.”

    But I understand how we got from point A to point B. I understand the phenomenon. And all in all I think the world is a better place with Hillary Clinton on a wanted poster instead of in the White House.

    However since I’m not foaming at the mouth and flecking spittle on my shirt I’m not welcome in certain parts of Berkeley.

    And I can confidently tell you that if you woke up on November 9th to find out your wife loves abortion more than you, Donald Trump did you a favor.

  20. OM Says:

    They may snap out of it. But will the media report it? This is worse than when man-bear-pig lost to GW Bush.

  21. T Says:

    There’s a fundamental contradiction here. Especially in a marriage that was previously “peaceful and companionate”…

    When confronted with their spouse’s support for an “EVIL MAN”… wouldn’t it make sense for the woman to reflect upon the obvious contradiction?

    As, given that she’s married to him… she knows her husband to be capable of sustaining a peaceful and companionate relationship, . . . [Geoffrey Britain @ 8:38]

    Cognitive dissonance. Faced with two contradictory situations, one way to resolve them is for a person to contemplate the fact that they are possible wrong; the three most difficult words in the English language to utter. Failing that, one can always revert to a totally unrelated behavior.

    In nature they call it displacement activity. Say an elk is confronted by a bear and neither wants to fight or flee, it does something completely unrelated to the situation, like graze.

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=displacement+activities&filters=ufn%3a%22displacement+activities%22+sid%3a%22db4570dc-7a97-e62c-1b5d-e9f84eb5051f%22&qs=MB&pq=displacement+activity&sc=8-21&cvid=81C793EBAEF642BBA696A92E1F769544&FORM=QBLH&sp=1

  22. adagny Says:

    My relationship is one that you describe in which “something very basic about the belief system of the person you had married had changed”. At one time I was waay far to the left, as was my wife, who was and is a strong feminist. However, at every turn in my political journey and transformation I kept her completely informed as to why I thought the way I did. On many issues she has tempered her own positions and becoming more conservative.

    However, concerning Trump, she just reviles the man. Literally, everything about him.

    That said, my wife still respects me, my reasons for supporting Trump, and most importantly, has not let our life between the sheets cool down. She may be somewhat embarrassed by my positions but she respects me.

    I see these women as products of the wimpy men who never had their respect in the first place.
    Their shrunken huevos have been in a lock box for years, and bear testimony that they don’t dare express the slightest deviation from the liberal mantra. Doesn’t matter what Obama did the last eight years, or what and where Hillary would have taken the country over the next eight. …They’re all pathetic.

  23. Mac Says:

    Neo said: “I have seen a lot of it on both sides over the years. I do agree it appears to be somewhat more common among liberals, though.” Yes, that’s my experience, too. I might change “somewhat” to “rather” after watching people since Nov 8. But then at least a couple of the liberals saying “Don’t talk to me anymore” to someone have been provoked by someone rubbing their noses in it.

    What seems very distinctive about this situation is the really very nearly demented reaction of a lot of left-liberal women, especially young ones. Never seen anything quite like it on the right. They really have talked themselves (or something) into believing that on Jan 21 their very lives will be in danger. One wants to say “snap out of it” but as someone else above says the anguish is very real, which doesn’t mean it isn’t also crazy.

  24. Steve57 Says:

    I am so, so wounded liberal chicks won’t be getting sufficient amounts of sex under the nascent Trump administration.

    If there’s anything I can do to help…

  25. Steve57 Says:

    The certified sex expert told DailyMail.com…

    Whoa, wait a sec. I didn’t see her at the title fight in Vegas.

  26. neo-neocon Says:

    Geoffrey Britain:

    Of course the women could react that way. But it has been my observation that most human beings, men or women, do not tend to react that way when faced with a contradiction. It is a very difficult thing to do—particularly as in this case when the media, academia, and probably every single friend they have is saying that Trump is Hitlerian.

    For example, if you were a believer in a certain religion, and went to church regularly, and your spouse became an atheist, would you trust your spouse or would you doubt their judgment and think they’d gone over to the Dark Side? And might you then feel estranged from them? Well, it depends. But human beings find it hard to change their minds, and in the present case the women (and the society around them) say that their husbands have gone over to the Dark Side.

    In addition, this entire article is about a certain subset of liberal women, reported on by an LA therapist. Who knows what percentage it represents? Maybe it’s a small percentage, and the rest are doing exactly what you said they should do.

  27. SLR Says:

    Many of the lib women I know associate sex with power… and Trump’s election makes them feel powerless. ergo…

  28. SLR Says:

    Kyndyll G Says:

    “I do not recall hearing about families being torn apart – siblings and spouses literally cutting each other out of their lives.”

    Maybe 10 years ago but conservatives are changing… they’re beginning to act more like the left… IMO.

  29. Steve57 Says:

    I humbly submit that my sole example was of a guy. A dude. Who frequently convinced me he was nuts throughout the Obama presidency, as he saw racial healing breaking out all over the place despite the contrary.

    I’ve got a white knuckle grip on the arms of the chair. Do you see what’s happening, I ask myself. And he’s talking about how Obama is bringing everyone together.

    We are no longer together.

    I rarely run into women with that little sense.

  30. Steve57 Says:

    The certified sex expert told DailyMail.com…

    Seriously, is there an international body running around certifying “sex experts?” Are they the same people verifying Iranian compliance with the nuclear dealio? What’s the process like? Is it a marathon or a 100 yard dash? Are there “sex expert” judges who award points like in figure skating?

    Spanish “sex expert” clears her mind…

    https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M1495f5a3b2e4c094330cb71325315876o0&pid=15.1

    …before entering the clean and jerk portion of the competition.

  31. Steve57 Says:

    It isn’t Lydia Valentin’s clean and jerk that I most admire, but I’m afraid some of you have filthy minds.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeAXei-RBlg

    Lydia Valentín (-75kg, Spain) – Snatch Analysis

    That, gentlemen, is poetry.

  32. Steve57 Says:

    I know the evidence is anecdotal, but it was guys reacting hormonally to Trump winning. I don’t remember a lesbian screaming at Ivanka Trump, using a child as a human shield. Which really shouldn’t have blown my mind.

  33. Cornhead Says:

    Do liberals realize how unhinged they are?

  34. David Foster Says:

    A lot of leftist political belief…not all, but a lot…is driven at least subconsciously by status seeking: All the Kool Kidz think this way. Hence, to these people, a husband’s support for a Republican–especially Trump–is like he had quit his job and decided to become a beach bum. His status has declined, and hers is thereby threatened.

  35. Steve57 Says:

    Okay, now we’ve heard everything:

    Oh, no. Something tells me we’ve barely gotten started.

  36. DirtyJobsGuy Says:

    Speaking of marriages, I have a question for the women in this discussion. How do they think Melanie Trump is feeling? I’m no expert but to have the daughter from your husbands first marriage acting as de facto First Lady must be insulting. As a model, Melania is surely not shy and would certainly be able to handle the necessary and important social aspect of the White House. As they are still living in the Trump tower, young Barron’s schooling is not interfering.

    To my somewhat old fashioned mind, the adult children should have their own lives and fade back while Dad’s president. His current wife and minor child should deservedly have the spotlight.

  37. Assistant Village Idiot Says:

    Seven weeks since the election, and this therapist is seeing an increasing trend? I would think you’d need at least a year to get good-enough data from a single practice. She’s making it up. She’s had a few women come in and say this, and is drawing a huge conclusion from it, because that conclusion fits with what she thinks should be true.

  38. Steve57 Says:

    Cornhead said:

    Do liberals realize how unhinged they are?

    Short answer? No.

    Long answer? No.

    If I can be of any more help I’ll be in the bar conducting a uniform inspection on the dancers. And they better have a full sea bag.

  39. Steve57 Says:

    To my somewhat old fashioned mind, the adult children should have their own lives and fade back while Dad’s president. His current wife and minor child should deservedly have the spotlight.

    To my somewhat old fashioned mind this is just not a conversation I could imagine happening about a President, 20 years ago.

  40. OM Says:

    Assistant Village Idiot:

    Congratulations! The best take so far, seriously. It’s fake news. The usual from the media.

    Something, “___,” dire has happened, women most seriously affected, white hetero men, of course are to blame. But for once now they (whm) get punished.

  41. John Says:

    I’m thinking it would be a great time to be a therapist or psychologist in a blue state.

  42. Kyndyll G Says:

    John, you could not pay me enough to sit and listen to lefty-left women whine about this sort of absurdity and have to deal with them seriously for the simple reason that this is real to them.

    I used to be the de facto psychological support person among my circle – always ready to lend an ear and provide whatever advice or support was accepted, but when you’re a 2-cent psychologist, you know when you’re dealing with stuff above your pay grade.

    This is some kind of full-scale disorder bursting to the surface, presenting with visible symptoms that are already themselves almost beyond help, yet they are only a tip of a giant iceberg of mental dysfunction that lies beneath. Unless these people undergo a radical self-examination and transformation that allows them to join us in the real world, I don’t think anything that broken can be compatible with mental health or a normal existence.

  43. Steve57 Says:

    John said:

    I’m thinking it would be a great time to be a therapist or psychologist in a blue state.

    I’m thinking if you share my warped sense of humor, now’s the time to get into the blue state therapy business for all the wrong reasons.

  44. Rich Says:

    So leftists aren’t procreating ? And this is a BAD thing ?

  45. Sergey Says:

    Never expected that Americans can be so credulous to so gross and unscrupulous propaganda. But hey, I never expected the same from Russian people, too.

  46. SLR Says:

    DirtyJobsGuy Says:

    “Speaking of marriages, I have a question for the women in this discussion. How do they think Melanie Trump is feeling? I’m no expert but to have the daughter from your husbands first marriage acting as de facto First Lady must be insulting.”

    Could be wrong; but I thought it was her choice. She didn’t want to move to the white house and do it.

  47. OM Says:

    Kyndall

    Sorry, but that was beyond your pay grade.

  48. AMartel Says:

    Does the progressive theology attract unpleasant personalities or corrupt perfectly pleasant personalities? Maybe both. Either way, the rejection of a friendship much less a marriage over a disagreement about the scope and role of government is a betrayal, and is hypocritical given all their talk of love and tolerance. Yes, of course, there are unpleasant conservatives/Republicans/Trump voters. There are unpleasant persons in every demographic. But the progressive punitive urge is toxic and longstanding. Also, it’s not just women. I’m currently losing a friend to it. Someone I’ve known since the 1980s. We’ve been through a lot together but it’s all falling apart because I’m not sufficiently enthusiastic about Trump hatred.

  49. AMartel Says:

    And, no, I haven’t brought it on myself by being an obnoxious Trump fan. It’s my lack of feverish enthusiasm for Hillary! and refusal to take up every ragey anti-Trump theme du jour in the media, failure to call my fellow Americans “racists” and “haters,” and wondering whether we should maybe listen to the voices of dissenting from Obama the Great and Powerful. I’m no longer welcome and it’s breaking my heart.

  50. Brian E Says:

    “I see these women as products of the wimpy men who never had their respect in the first place.
    Their shrunken huevos have been in a lock box for years, and bear testimony that they don’t dare express the slightest deviation from the liberal mantra. Doesn’t matter what Obama did the last eight years, or what and where Hillary would have taken the country over the next eight. …They’re all pathetic.”- Adagny

    Neocon,
    This, to the extent that these women didn’t know of their husbands political bent. And it isn’t a conservative-liberal divide, since Trump defies those categories. I would like to know how many of these instances the man was an enthusiastic Trump supporter, rather than a reluctant one.

    I wonder how these women responded to the abuse of the character in “50 Shades of Grey”?

    Ideally sex is an expression of intimacy, and if you don’t trust or respect the other person, it’s going to be difficult to be intimate. But as has been commented by others, some introspection should provide some clues as to how the spouse is changing. In your scenario I doubt the husband wakes up one day and declares he is now an atheist.

    While it might make some topics off limits in the relationship, I do think the respect issue is relevant to the relationship.

    Compartmentalize. I always wondered how Carville and Matalain maintained their marriage, given their high profile politics. It appears that inter-Party marriage isn’t that rare.

    _________

    “For starters, “30 percent of married households contain a mismatched partisan pair. A third of those are Democrats married to Republicans. The others are partisans married to independents.” It doesn’t surprise the Silver clan that “there are twice as many Democratic-Republican pairs in which the male partner, rather than the female partner, is the Republican.””

    http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/06/how-often-do-democrats-marry-republicans

  51. Janetoo Says:

    My progressive sister used to call me three times a day. While she will not come out and say she is furious with me, it is manifesting itself in other ways. She no longer calls three times a day. I have received about seven calls since the election. She snaps at me over the most random comments. I can tell she wants to yell at me about the election. But her better sense says that is not rational. I hope she will get over it. But, I think it is going to take quite awhile.

  52. Steve57 Says:

    I have become death, crusher of libidos, all tremble before me!

  53. Steve57 Says:

    Or, maybe not.

  54. Brian E Says:

    Neo-neocon,

    I’m thinking healthy in how the couple deals with conflict. Two people aren’t going to agree on everything.

    How do they deal with that? Do they suppress it? Do they talk it out to the point that they can respect the other’s right to a position that is not the same as the other?

    Or is it just a power play by the woman, using sex as the weapon.
    Is this just a variant of “I have a headache?”

  55. David Foster Says:

    “But would you want your daughter to marry one?”

    http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/44486.html

  56. Nick Says:

    OK, people, come on. You’ve had your fun. But if there’s one thing we’ve all witnessed on the internet over the past year, it’s that some people who supported Trump are neither motivated by conservatism nor respectful in communicating their support. We’ve pored over this topic a lot. We’ve speculated that a lot of the alt-right online was leftie or foreign disinformation, but we all have admitted that some of it was real. It’s hard to picture those guys being married, but some of them must have been. And not even the pure alt-right (not that the alt-right is pure, in either sense), but the more mainstream pro-Trump troll – and the election results indicate that there were more of them than expected.

    I’m not characterizing all supporters of Trump in the same way. I’m not (blah blah blah more caveats). But have there been some obnoxious pro-Trumpers? Yup. And most of them, I’d bet, are male.

  57. JuliB Says:

    I’ve seen relatively normal people just blow up on FB to the point where I’ve wondered/worried about their mental health.

    The issue isn’t Trump, IMO. I think this is the result of demonizing the ‘other’. It’s all Republicans. It’s that we’re all evil.

    I was pondering this yesterday – just what opinions are ok to hold that are at variance with the official liberal/left/progressive opinion without being a racist/hater/etc.? I drew a blank, except in the most non-political of topics. In other words, we CANNOT win.

    I’m friend with some liberals, but not many. My SO/fiance is a R. There’s NO WAY I would date a liberal, let alone be in a serious relationship with them. The worldview is too different. Would I still love him if he turned liberal? Probably, but then again, we are the tolerant ones.

    I can only see it getting worse in the future.

  58. JuliB Says:

    BTW – he was a Trump supporter since Day One, and I made it very clear to him that NO Trump-generated criticism of Cruz was allowed in my hearing.

    He couldn’t understand my lack of enthusiasm for Trump, but was satisfied with the fact that I voted for him. I now like Trump a bit more.

  59. y81 Says:

    Wow, I think having politics as part of your “belief system” and “way of life” is very weird. I know there are people like that, just as there are people who have modernist architecture, or locavorism, or whatever, as part of their belief system and way of life. I think they are all very weird. When they talk, I mostly nod, while throwing in mocking, undermining remarks at intervals.

  60. OM Says:

    y81:

    Thanks for the mention of locavorism. For me the radius is 30 inches (armpit to fingertip); if you cant reach it you can’t possibly consider it as food. 😉

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