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Torture in Chicago: the group effect and the risky shift — 12 Comments

  1. Their mug shots tell us all we need to know. Moral savages, incapable of remorse. There’s only one cure for the rabid.

  2. The gang mentality is built on risk taking. Many of the shootings in Chicago (and other cities) are younger gang members looking to prove their worth. Other shootings are of course settling small insults or more serious turf battles.

    This is no different from other honor cultures like Afghanistan . You know your group (gang, tribe, family) will not only back you up but demand that you take action on their behalf. The big difference in Chicago is that the gangs control the local politicians in a way not seen in other US cities. This used to be true in large parts of LA but has been somewhat put under control.

    The press is conditioned to focus on gunplay but what alarms me is the increasing number of stabbings. A knife attack is up close and very personal in a way that a drive by shooting can never be.

  3. This reminds me a little of the 2009 affair of the gang of barbarians that happened in France. The horrifying kidnap, torture and murder of the French Jewish man, Ilan Halimi. Actually, this isn’t as bad as that, I wish I didn’t make that connection, now I feel sick.

  4. Seems like they were disrupted by a neighbor, otherwise it looks like they were heading down that path. I still feel sick.

  5. Also, the members of a group of people attacking a relatively defenseless individual have a VERY LOW RISK of suffering any immediate consequence.

  6. There’s an old term for it; Herd Mentality. Vast numbers of people are susceptible to it. This is why I’ve always avoided large crowds when it’s possible, especially if there will be alcohol and or large numbers of minorities. This is not racism, it’s just fact. If you don’t believe it, just google Juneteenth violence, or the incident at the Wisconsin State Fair a few years back, or incidents at beaches. Too many people become like sheep or cattle, and follow the herd. White, black, purple, it doesn’t matter.

  7. It is like (part of?) a “bandwagon effect”, as it scales up.

    Can easily see the roots of a tribal blue vs red team in all that.
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    Each of these individuals had a very extended “line too far”.

    We don’t know if murder would have been the end result, though it is quite imaginable in this case, given their willingness to let their actions to this point be publicized.

  8. Billiam – we avoid crowds of any sort, as they are now ripe for targeting by some sicko.

  9. i think the real problem is best described by the concept of feedback loops, and that the actions of the press under the pc coding games, has as its major function to disconnect normal feedback and avoid social cohesiveness from doing its thing.

    there are quite a number of books and things o the subject of using social theory to control populations in various ways, and they are written from all angles depending on who wants it to use it for what. There are docs in hospitals trying to come up with baddies bad enough to move the elephant of government backed by tanks to make changes to your life by law, and call it improved… there are more nefarious versions written by people whose job is to play games in other countries and cause things to happen, and that may even include people who do it to their own people, or give out bad advice as good and gather up the cheese from it.

    each change or point often seems innocuous, or even good, until the intended consequences the buyer didn’t work out come into play and happen. the buyer often defends the point until that remorse sets in when they see it was like dealing with a djinn or devil, or demon.

    to use a chemical analogy, some combinations are explosive, and often from what is pretty common and innocuous parts and conditions.

    if the press hides what goes on, the feedback loop that would generate a kind of weight on the people doing things and so prevent most of them, gets taken off. when the consequences of such acts are asymetrically treated, the costs for each group changes and the lesser group thinks its less costly to do so, despite it being costly for both sides. [the left says that unequal treatment by the law leads to more equality – another feminist ism thing…one of those innocuous pieces along with the oppressed have a right to class hatred against their oppressors being a license for some]

    we took social approbation off the table and been chasing it out of any corners we can find it in till everyone is on their own in terms of how to behave, in effect, turning us into feral people with no social guidance, in which we find out after the fact what is really really wrong to do.which is why it gets posted, they think everyone would agree with the behavior based on the signals they got from the social feedback!

    this feedback is what lord of the flies is about..

    without a larger culture than a gang, there is no feedback that leads to moral behavior nor is there things like religious doctrine, which makes material like rocks into special form of material called living (and even that can be swung too far to the opposite end too).

    not only is there group behavior, that existed when we were mostly small bands trying to keep from starving and fighting over not enough resources, but there is also group behavior when the groups get bigger, and the game here is by isolating and making diverse, you get small groups immune to the larger group behavior and so, they are free to be feral again (till they find out that the larger group they are also a part of finds out – and expresses its displeasure).

  10. “social status in groups is often associated with risk-taking, leading people to avoid a low risk position.”

    This is also the “cool” guys, who become the “in group”.
    It’s a subset of the herd mentality, because most herd mentality, or “culture”, has been tested over time to be more risk-averse, and thus have more sustainability.

    The Dem party sexual liberation, combined with the TV-movie photogenic confusion – substitution of sexual lust for commitment love, has also increased the number of kids without their bio-fathers committed to their mothers.

    This lack of mother-father commitment, a lack of “full family”, has increasingly bred irresponsible behavior, with Dem SJWs constantly excusing bad individual & group behavior as being the fault of external society.

  11. Wow, for once Art is concisely on point. 🙂

    Basically, individuals can’t goad themselves into action with taunts of “chicken.”

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