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  1. “You know, the smart thing to do politically is just do nothing. Just let this thing collapse ’cause it already is. It’s already imploding. Just let it collapse. Stand aside and let this thing go belly up.” And he said, “In two years the Democrats are gonna be coming to us begging us to do something.” He said, “But we can’t do that because that would harm people. That would hurt the people. And we’re not gonna put our political aspirations ahead of the American people.”

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    Whenever he’s criticized about something, what does he do? All during the campaign, he doubles down on whatever it is that upsets people. So he constantly uses the term “fake news.” And the media has a cow. The media has kittens. They have conniptions. They run around. What does he do? He doubles down on it and tells them that to their face.

    And the next thing he does is instruct his press secretary on a gaggle (imitating Trump), “You know what? Don’t let CNN, the New York Times, Politico and BuzzFeed, just don’t let ’em in.” And they have another cow. All the while they are expecting that the pressure that they are putting on Trump, that this intense criticism, that this never-ending browbeating is gonna cause Trump to break. But what’s happening? Trump is doubling down and tripling down.

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    funny thing about the past and the people so worried about image and tomorrow… they are easy to browbeat and to abuse into place!!!

    what Trump is doing is showing them who the boss has ALWAYS been in terms of the white house and things. the fact that milquetoasts dont have the gumption enough to stand up for their own rights, doesnt mean all of them shouldnt and every one should be wishy washy..

    he is bringing power back to the presidency, and the people, and he is right… he could play this for the future, or he could play this to help people, be damned and hated and years from now, his family name would have a great positive history…

    after all, i know some dems who brag how great the carter years were with my answer being: “if thats how you remember it, its cause you were too stoned to know how bad it is and the stoned was a good memory, the rest of us were awake, without such succor, and remember stagflation, iran hostages, and more”

  2. So the Times now pitches itself as “the Truth”? My parents always used to refer to the Times as Pravda East, but I didn’t expect the Times to adopt the name itself.

    (You have to know what “Pravda” means to think this is funny.)

  3. Well, it was smart of the NYT to drop this lovely little pearl into the vast sea of galactically undeserving self-congratulation that is the Oscars telecast. It’s like they knew all the patsies were already tuned in and primed for more BS and propaganda.

  4. Mika Brzeznski: “It is our job to control what people think.”

    In other words, the truth is what we say it is
    And we say [fill in name of republican here] is a
    (a) liar
    (b) racist
    (c) homophobe
    (d) xeonphobe/bigot
    (e) misogynist
    (f) all of the above

  5. I have no argument with a newspaper like the NYT being far left and pushing their agenda. What I do have a beef with is their holding themselves out as purveyors of objective, middle-of-the-road, non-partisan news. Their far-left partisanship is plain to any conservative, but for people who don’t know the issues (as is true for millions of Low Information Voters), their propaganda appears to have some merit. If they admitted their biases upfront, then LIVS could be a bit more skeptical when reading their “facts.”

    There was a recent article in my newspaper that was a pick up from the AP. It was about AGW and the value of carbon taxes in combatting AGW. Although most of the information in the article was theoretical (and has been challenged by many in the climate science community). it was all presented as facts and truth. In other words it was pure propaganda posing as objective truth. Any article like that, in order to be objective, should at least give a nod toward the fact that much of the info is disputed by other reputable scientists. No where is fake news more pronounced than in the AGW debate.

  6. y81:

    If I recall correctly, the old joke in the Soviet era was “There is no pravda in Pravda.”

    And of course there’s always Orwell ‘s Ministry of Truth.

  7. I saw an article years ago where journalism majors were interviewed. They all said they got into journalism because they wanted to make a difference. Not one of them mentioned reporting the news.

  8. Neo,
    There were two newspapers in the USSR, Pravda, translated as “the truth”, and Istvestia, translated as “the news”. The joke was, there is no Pravda in Istvestia and no Istvestia in Pravda.

  9. В Пра́вде нет изве́стий, а в Изве́стиях нет пра́вды.

    “In Pravda (“Truth”) there is no news and in Izvestia (“News”) there is no truth.”

    That’s the way I learned it a long time ago.‎

  10. The New York Times: all the news that’s left over after we finish suppressing what we don’t want to talk about, and torturing the rest till it begs for mercy.

  11. If the NYT wants to pursue the truth, the should get ouit of their chairs and actually Take A Step. In a forward direction.

  12. I recall reading an interview with “Putz” Sulzberger shortly after he took over, and he out and out stated that he would shift the editorial policy left, in line with HIS politics. I think it was when he became Chairman of the Board.

    I call him “Putz” — it’s accurate, and it’s in keeping with the “Punch” nickname of his dear ol’ dad.

  13. NYT and truth have not, for decades been seen in the same room. Oscars and sanity for 4 decades have not been in the same room. I stopped reading and viewing many moons ago.

  14. ed in texas Says:
    February 27th, 2017 at 6:59 pm
    The New York Times: all the news that’s left over after we finish suppressing what we don’t want to talk about, and torturing the rest till it begs for mercy.
    * * *
    Closer to the truth (c) than you might think:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-27/a-fake-news-warning-from-a-former-propagandist
    “Larry Martin, a retired professor who lives in the seaside town of Rockport, Massachusetts, used to be Ladislav Bittman, deputy commander of the Department for Active Measures and Disinformation in the Soviet-directed Czechoslovak intelligence service. To create the kind of disinformation that changes the world, he told me, you need a story that’s at least 60, 70 or even 80 percent true. Even well-educated people will swallow untruth without too many questions if it’s plausible and it reinforces their existing beliefs.

    Today, Martin’s worried about the fate of his adopted country — not just because of the epidemic of fake news, but because so many citizens have lost trust in the professional editors and reporters who spend their days trying to sort fact from fiction. He’s far from the only one concerned, of course: Dozens of academics, researchers and journalists recently converged on Boston to discuss the problem. But Martin has a unique insight into the issue: After all, part of his old job was to sow that kind of distrust in then-enemy countries. ..”

    Some great stories but I’m not really sure what SIDE of the aisle the writer is walking down.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/27/us/the-spy-who-came-into-the-classroom-teaches-at-boston-u.html

    more biographical details and outside the pay-wall,
    but it takes all the juice out of the best story, as told in the first link — which sounds curiously familiar in outline:
    “Ladislav Bittman was a diving hobbyist, and he recognized a disinformation opportunity when he heard from friends that a local TV crew was making a documentary about folklore surrounding the Black Lake, some 80 miles southwest of Prague. Nazis had retreated to that region near the end of the war — it was just a few miles from the border with Germany — and hidden Nazi war plans and other documents had turned up nearby.

    As part of the documentary, divers were supposed to explore the lake and retrieve some mysterious objects they’d seen at the bottom during a previous dive. Before the cameramen arrived, Bittman got there first, diving to the location of the objects and leaving some old German military cases filled with blank paper.

    Once the divers brought the cases to the surface as planned, a border guard and intelligence officer who came to the filming warned that the mysterious items could contain explosives and whisked them away, promising to X-ray them. Once out of public view, the intelligence officers replaced the blank paper with real Nazi documents which, among other things, detailed executions in France and the Netherlands. Then they arranged a press conference where the Czech minister of the interior would reveal the documents.

    The papers were legitimate, but they were also old; the intelligence services had held them for some 20 years, since the end of the war. They just never made them public — until the right moment struck.

    People sometimes ask they didn’t just come forward with the documents, he said. His answer: No one would have paid any attention without the sensational story. The plan worked. The story was picked up all across Europe, including in the English-language press. He said he believes the change in public attitudes pushed West Germans to defer an impending statute of limitations on prosecuting war criminals.”

  15. “The truth is hard”

    Yep, it’s *really* hard for the Times which is why I quit my subscription to them many years ago.

  16. I’m moving strongly towards Scott Adam’s idea of “two different movies in the minds of two viewers of the same film”.
    Recently on Climate Change:
    http://blog.dilbert.com/post/157694622351/the-climate-science-debate-illusion

    However, I’m also a big fan of video / audio recordings, and transcripts. Trump didn’t say “Terror attacks” in Sweden. That’s the fake news created by …
    Democrats.

    The Dem media and the Dem fake news. Reps need to identify the Dems as the guilty fake news writers, because it’s Dems on the ballot, not “leftists”.

    Using “leftist” instead of “Democrat” makes it easy for Dem voters to avoid accepting that their support for the Dem PC fake news is a problem. Most Dem voters and supporters would probably NOT self-identify as “leftist”, so when Reps criticize the “left”, we’re not criticizing the Dems.

    That should change. Reps & conservatives should clearly identify the Democrats and bad Dem actions & bad Dem results.

    The NY Times is a key Dem Party fake news creator and distributor, and it’s good for Trump to treat them, honestly, like the enemy they are.

  17. I and others used to call it disinformation, before others jumped on the “fake news” bandwagon since they lacked the courage to call a spade a spade. Now that others are doing so, they have changed their use of language.

  18. I’m going to stick this link here as well as on the new post, because it’s a good comeback to the NYT.

    Pushback: for the Times, they are a-changin’ — and not for the better. Watching the NRA skewer the NYT: priceless.

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/nra-mocks-new-york-times-new-ad/

    The NRA’s ad questions why the Times believes truth is more important now than in previous years.

    “The New York Times placed an ad during the Oscars to tell us that truth is more important now,” text in the ad reads. “But why now? Wasn’t it important when people were marching? When jobs were declining? When threats were growing? When drugs were flowing? When diplomacy was straining? When policies were failing? When towns were collapsing? When red lines were vanishing? When Obama was lying? When journalists were dying? When Christians were dying? When heroes were dying? When citizens were dying?” “Now, they want your trust?”

    The NRA said the Times did not care about the truth when it was bad for liberals. The group said America doesn’t believe the paper anymore.

    “The truth is that the truth didn’t matter to the New York Times then as much as now–because as long as liberals were ‘progressing,’ the truth was depressing,” the NRA said in a statement. “America has stopped looking to the New York Times for the truth, now more than ever. The times are burning and the media elites have been caught holding the match.”

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