August 2nd, 2017

Trump, college admissions, and racial discrimination

One problem—and it’s a big one—with anything the right tries to do is that it can easily be spun as unfair and mean. The left is very practiced in doing this, and the tactic is responsible to no small degree for the left’s success.

The same for this news:

If a report in the NY Times is accurate, the Trump administration is getting ready to take on the most precious of liberal dogmas, the institutionalized racial discrimination in college admissions, aka affirmative action.

The Times reaches the conclusion that affirmative action will be under attack, even though the documents it has obtained for its reporting don’t actually say that.

Of course they don’t actually say that, but that won’t stop the Times or its tut-tutting readers. Republicans bad, Democrats good, white people the worst of all. Various tweets are offered that are indicative of this, such as:

Trump is exactly the white supremacist he showed himself to be during the campaign. Now our tax dollars will defend white rights. Hideous.

The woman who wrote that tweet appears from her photo to be white, and says she is a civil rights lawyer. And yet to her the mere thought that our tax dollars could defend the rights of white people as well as others is “hideous.” Do whites even have rights in her eyes and the eyes of SJWs like her, who have been macerated in the juice of “whites bad, minorities good” ever since they entered school and perhaps before?

So, what did the DOJ actually say it was intending to do?:

The [DOJ] document, an internal announcement to the civil rights division, seeks current lawyers interested in working for a new project on “investigations and possible litigation related to intentional race-based discrimination in college and university admissions.”

The Times characterizes this as a plan for “investigating and suing universities over affirmative action admissions policies deemed to discriminate against white applicants.” Oh, really? I don’t see the word “white” in that DOJ document at all. Perhaps the Times is ignorant (after all, it’s just the Times) of the fact that for quite a while it’s been predominantly Asians who’ve been suing, alleging that they’ve been discriminated against in favor of other minorities.

In the old fools vs. knaves controversy, I vote for “knaves” in the case of the Times. I suspect they know full well that Asians are the new Jews in the college world—i.e. a group that does a lot better in academia and therefore would dominate if academic merit was the sole criterion used. And yet this fact—that it’s especially a non-white minority (Asians) that is being discriminated against, not just white people (who are fast becoming a minority in numbers, by the way) is discarded by the Times in favor of saying the goal is to protect “white applicants.” The only mention of the word “Asian” in the entire Times article is a passing mention in a quote from one of the defenders of the Trump action.

The Times minimization of the Asian nature of the people who are being discriminated against, and the highlighting of “white people,” is of course a form of propaganda to appeal to people (such as that white civil rights lawyer whose tweet I quoted) who consider white people unworthy of any protection. But in the larger sense, it doesn’t really matter to the merits of the thing whether it’s white people or Asians—discrimination is discrimination is discrimination (or should be, anyway). Has that become a minority point of view?

[NOTE: If you want to see some of the posts I’ve written previously on affirmative action, please see this, this, and this.

See also this and this for the anti-Jewish history of the favoring of “diversity” over strict academic merit in college student admissions.]

49 Responses to “Trump, college admissions, and racial discrimination”

  1. AesopFan Says:

    “In the old fools vs. knaves controversy, I vote for “knaves” in the case of the Times. ”

    They aren’t mutually exclusive, and the knaves at the Times have mastered the art of using the fools.

  2. expat Says:

    I saw a bit ago some pundit on the BEEB saying that the New immigration proposal would favor Brits and Australians because of the language requirements. As if there are no Africans or Indians who speak English, to say nothing of reasonably well educated people in the rest of the world. This is the typical tactic (like talking about Muslim-majority countries) of defining policies to make us all look racist.

    I’m sorry, but if you can’t read, you shouldn’t get into Berkeley.

  3. Avi Says:

    The most offensive aspect of affirmative action s that a white born and raised aryan nazi from a WASP slaveowning family can steal affirmative action slots from an authentic African American or a great granddaughter of a Tennessee militia soldier who carried out the Long Trail of Tears can pretend to be Cherokee to gain access.
    Or white people from Italy , Poland Greece, Russia et al can be treated as whipping boys because WASP scum like Al Gore owned slaves even though we came to America 50’years after gore and Obama were forced to give up,their brown sugar.

  4. neo-neocon Says:

    expat:

    See this.

  5. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    Everyone… literally everyone on the left is either a fool or a knave. Young fools in their ignorance can be understood. Old fools like Alan Dershowitz are another matter, it takes a commitment to stupidity coupled with willful blindness to continue to reside on the left. That commitment to stupidity is revealed when their response to reasoned disagreement is to declare that the motivation for disagreement is hate.

    The knaves knowingly twist the issue to fit the narrative and the fools happily imbibe it because projecting their own intolerance upon those who disagree with them allows them to continue with their self-deceit. A pathetic confirmation of virtue by others is all to the fool. While power above all else for the knave.

  6. Harry the Extremist Says:

    “One problem—and it’s a big one—with anything the right tries to do is that it can easily be spun as unfair and mean. ”

    It doesnt help having a POTUS whose bully-like demeanor helps feed the narrative.

  7. Geoffrey Britain Says:

    Harry,

    That’s true. On the other hand, how well has civility and reasoned argument worked for us?

  8. Paul in Boston Says:

    Harry, if the beatings of the press and Democrats by DJT continue long enough, their morale will improve.

  9. parker Says:

    I want Trump to be a smart ‘bully’ not a all over the map ‘bully’. So far he has mostly been all over the map. Concentrate djt, not a shotgun focus but a scoped rifle focus. Pick targets and pull the trigger.

  10. Mr. Frank Says:

    Affirmative action is primarily an avenue for virtue signaling for liberal whites. The research on academic mismatch in admissions for black students is overwhelming. The black kid who would have done fine at Kent State is recruited by Michigan and he gets worse grades and majors in a weak discipline. Each school reaching down to the level below them to meet their needs for diversity means the black kids get hammered.

  11. huxley Says:

    The research on academic mismatch in admissions for black students is overwhelming.

    Mr. Frank: IMO this is the saddest aspect of affirmative action, that it harms black students more than anyone.

    I wonder what role this plays in all the black-only safe space groups we see on campuses today.

    How tough it must be to get into a good school and find yourself consistently overmatched by whites and asians in every class.

    That’s not a racist comment but the inevitable consequence of affirmative action admission policies.

  12. Harry the Extremist Says:

    Im with Parker on Trump and civility. I still prefer facts and logic and am very aware and just as frustrated that the left completely ignores them. To counter their arguments and silliness, be as blunt as you need to be to highlight how silly those ideas are and how they bare failing. Getting into needless pissing matches with MSNBC celebrities and stabbing your own appointees in the back in the NYT’s are NOT examples of “WINNING” or anything approaching 3 level chess.
    God, I wish we had a Cruz or a Rubio about now.

  13. AesopFan Says:

    huxley Says:
    August 2nd, 2017 at 10:33 pm
    The research on academic mismatch in admissions for black students is overwhelming.

    Mr. Frank: IMO this is the saddest aspect of affirmative action, that it harms black students more than anyone.

    I wonder what role this plays in all the black-only safe space groups we see on campuses today.

    How tough it must be to get into a good school and find yourself consistently overmatched by whites and asians in every class.

    That’s not a racist comment but the inevitable consequence of affirmative action admission policies.
    * * *
    Thomas Sowell agrees with you, in articles dating back decades (to his own time in school IIRC).

    You are probably right about the safe space connection, and I have not seen that expressed elsewhere.

  14. AesopFan Says:

    expat Says:
    August 2nd, 2017 at 4:51 pm
    I saw a bit ago some pundit on the BEEB saying that the New immigration proposal would favor Brits and Australians because of the language requirements. As if there are no Africans or Indians who speak English, to say nothing of reasonably well educated people in the rest of the world.
    * * *
    Must be the new Journ-o-list meme, since it is totally divorced from any objective reality:
    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/accosting-acosta.php

    A sample from the PL commentariat, which verbally replicates Neo’s map link:

    Peter B. Lewis
    I watched this live today and was stunned by Acosta’s provincial premise that no one speaks English outside of a few mostly white countries. Doesn’t he know that India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Belize, Jamaica, Barbados, St. Kitts, Malta, Cypress, Trinidad, Tanzania, Philippines, Dominica, Fiji, Uganda, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya, Zambia, Zimbabwe and dozens of other countries have millions of people who speak English as their first or second language not to mention 100s of million people who have a rudimentary knowledge of English? Acosta along with Fahreed Zakaria are unbearable. Clearly not as bright as they think they are.
    Like · Reply · 7 · 4 hrs

    Pat Childs
    As well as Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden,Denmark, Northern Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and urban France. All places with English as a strong second lanquage. Japan (written English only). Likewise China (written), Southern Vietnam, Cairo, etc. The following occupations require proficient English: Doctors, Air Traffic Controllers, Merchant ship captains and navigation positions, pilots, and, generally, computer engineers (written only, the others require both).
    Like · Reply · 3 · 4 hrs

    Laurie Karnay
    The soft bigotry of low expectations.

  15. FOAF Says:

    I went to high school with NYT publisher Pinch Sulzberger and he wasn’t just a fool, he was a blithering idiot. Of course as AesopFan says that does not exlclude the possibility (actually the certainty) that he is also a knave. But if he hadn’t inherited his job he wouldn’t have gotten as far in journalism as Jimmy Olsen.

  16. A_Nonny_Mouse Says:

    Sounds like the NY Times is taking their cue from the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman coverage.

    You’ll recall that Mr. Zimmerman was declared a “white” Hispanic (so the MSM Narrative wasn’t forced to deal with Who Most-Deserves Our Sympathy in a conflict between entitled minority and entitled minority).

    Same thing here: the Asians who aren’t accepted at various colleges because they’re the wrong kind of “ethnic diversity” are no doubt considered to be WHITE Asians.

  17. huxley Says:

    they’re the wrong kind of “ethnic diversity” are no doubt considered to be WHITE Asians.

    A_Nonny_Mouse: I’ve forgotten where but I have read of ethnic policy statements which specifically fold Asians into the White category as though it were the most natural thing in the world.

  18. huxley Says:

    AesopFan: I’m plenty smart but I wasn’t prepared for college. I ended up dropping out. So I got a two-year electronics degree and banged around for several years as a blue-collar guy. I wasn’t much good at that either which is why I respect blue-collar guys.

    Eventually I settled down and taught myself computers. I moved to the Bay Area and got a software career going. Things worked out.

    Nonetheless it took over twenty years and a lot of success for me to live down my initial failure in college.

    So I have sympathy for blacks who end up over their heads due to affirmative action and can’t compete well with other students.

    That can be a long-lasting scar and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

  19. Sean Says:

    Um, Lisa Bloom isn’t white, she’s Jewish. Go on her twitter account and you see all kinds of hostility to whites, especially white men, who she clearly has it in for. Like a lot of Jews on the left, she uses her appearance to make it seem as if she’s testifying against interest when criticizing whites, but she’s not.

  20. Tuvea Says:

    Now I have to admit to wondering what ‘politically correct’ view I’m supposed to have as a Conservative.

    Pre-1945 Conservatives held the same view as posted by Sean – and the Nazis – that Jewish people weren’t ‘white’. After the horrors of the Holocaust were exposed it seemed that Conservatives felt guilty and thought that Jewish WERE ‘white’.

    And now Sean – echoing the alt-Right and the American Nazi party – tells me that Jewish people are, again, no longer to be considered ‘white’.

    Sean, in your considered opinion are Jewish people like our hostess neoneocon ‘life unworthy of life’?

    If your momma doesn’t do it you should wash out your mouth with soap.

  21. Dave Says:

    I was a victim of Jewish racism against Asian people. A jewish employee of a company I worked part time in filed a complaint against me for calling him a “Jew” in the elevator when no one else was around. turned out I was listening to my Ipod and unintentionally triggered this jewish person when I was doing that air drumming sound “chu chu chu…” along a drum solo of the song I was listening to… A lot of people I have found have the same habit of doing that air drum “chu chu chu” sound subconsciously.

    Anyone who tries to use their victim identity to gain an advantage in life or getting people in trouble to embolden their victimhood identity is evil

  22. Dave Says:

    microaggression has been weaponized to perpetuate a lie that racism is still a big problem in society to give politicians who claim to be champions of minority rights more power. Racism is pretty much a non issue if democrats doesn’t work hard seeking racism out of every trivial little thing in life

  23. Dave Says:

    After the incident I found that it is a lot easier to get ahead in America by constantly playing the race card and race to be the first to claim to be a victim of racism. If I don’t get a seat at a popular restaurant all I need to do is saying “why are you letting all the other white people cutting in front of me? is it because you are racist and I am chinese” 9 out of 10 times i will get a seat immediately in the expense of other white people ahead of me in line.

  24. arfldgrs Says:

    nah… all us white guys? we decided not to go to college, have the spring break experience with young things, make friends for a future, and just not go anymore…

    why?

    cause we are so chivalrous we can sit in the basement, make love to a fake doll, have AI girlfriends, and we just dont want to marry anymore…

    the ladies are freezing eggs for men that wont exist as they wont marry down..

    the demographics are spelling the end but no one beleives that except the demographers who are mostly too afraid to talk (But they have here and there)

    you see? i wanted to be a researcher, so i went to bronx science. but when i was out, there were not scholarships, there was nothing to help, and now its highly dominated by women and minorities and there is no such research… son quit on his phd.. why? no professor wanted to pick a white male when they have all these more socailly acceptable people… then there is the acadmics playing diversity games.. abusing and taking advantage of the handicapped too..

    but we decied… nah.. the ladies are right
    we are way to oppressive to exist.
    so we helped them self exterminat
    now there is MGTOW..

    men dont have ticking clocks
    why bother with a relationship this way
    you can have many more kids going on vacation in an assumed name and having lots of sex.
    you can ahve more kids if your bankrupt in mgtow and porking with the PUAs

    but if you decide to do the right thing
    you have about as much chance of not being taken to the cleaners and more than you have not requiring your transmission to be fixed…

    would you risk your future on the flip of a coin
    how about for a unapreciateive constantly complaining exposing your laundry in public and more kind of wet hole that feels what you do doesnt count… (so she does more)

    nope..
    no way
    not unless they are not from the WEST
    which is why the sad news

    Freezing Eggs: Women Aren’t Doing It for Career Reasons | Fortune.com

    Women graduates ‘desperately’ freeze eggs over ‘lack of men’ – BBC

    Educated women are freezing their eggs because of ‘missing men

    No, Companies Shouldn’t Pay Women to Freeze Their Eggs | WIRED

    “fertility MOTs”…. and i liked mot the hoople…
    but these are different..

    The third and by far the fastest-growing group of women, however, are in their late 30s and early 40s: just as Inhorn describes, they wish to hold out for that elusive partner to have a family with, while recognising that, biologically speaking, they are now standing on a reproductive precipice. Since January I have interviewed many of these women, and in most cases they are highly educated, very successful in their chosen professions, and distinctly cosmopolitan (often having studied, lived and worked in multiple different countries during their fulfilling 20s and 30s). Despite this, many wonder out loud what they have “done wrong” to miss out on the expected life milestones that so many of their friends have achieved, seemingly without effort. Some have recently come out of relationships they had assumed would lead to marriage and children, and feel a need to hit snooze on the biological clock to alleviate the time pressure on new or future relationships. Even as they put themselves out there online and in person, these women are frustrated by their limited partnering options.

    waht did they do wrong?
    tore up their mates, kicked them out of work to take their place, and kicked them out of school like jews in nazi germany – (work, state assistance, school, etc!!!)

    and now, your on the third generation…or fourth

    first was the men knocked over and cleaned out by the new (soviet women – who could bring home the bacon, fry it up in a pan, and curse and screw like a drunken deaseased sailor of a man!!! come a long way baby)…

    you let the movement about women become a movement of hate, eugenics, race, and more..

    you wanted a room with a view, you got it
    you wanted high taxes, you got it
    you wanted socialist programs, you got it
    you wanted more money more money and more till you wanted free tampons pads, birth control (but despite 23 forms, and men having only three, its their fault. well, they aint going to bed with you no more, your freezing your eggs, i guess its fair now, you got what you wanted, responsible men who stay away from irresponsible women who think they are responsible – hey, you can yell at me all you want that i dislike women (Shaming dont work any more, not with twerking, breasts out, froterism, des nuda, and women shoving knife handles into their crotch and throwing tomatoes at them as art… physicians heal thyself, you cant shame someone into this form of HYSTERia)

    you disenfranchies your own mates, you got it
    you uplivted the unpacked backpack so your potential mates are not where you are
    you dont know your own hypergamous biology which points out that while a rich man willl marry a stripper like anna nichole, a woman of means dont marry down does she. and the wealthy men have all these poor ladies they want willing to debase themseves so much that vogue runs articles on teen girls anal leakage and teen vogue runs how to do anal sex right!!!

    there is so much more
    but we are invalid and all this is related..

    if you dont know what all the above has to do with race and admissions, then you dont know the ladies did the admissions bs first.. then unpacked the knapsack… i write about her and her name and all… and now, the racial groups have enough power they dont need the white women, and are turning on them as the source of the evil white men the women branded. the men? they dont care, they are the second and third generation of broken dysfunctional homes they watched their moms make and do to dad with the help of the movements attitudes

    bed, see bed, lie in bed..

    White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack
    http://hd.ingham.org/Portals/HD/White%20Priviledge%20Unpacking%20the%20Invisible%20Knapsack.pdf

  25. arfldgrs Says:

    Black Woman, White Movement: Why Black Women are Leaving the Feminist Movement

    Trouble with White Feminism: Racial Origins of U.S. Feminism

    The Black Feminist’s Guide to the Racist Sh*t That Too Many White Feminists Say
    But we’re not too sensitive. White feminism is too racist – which is intensely clear when white feminists ignore our frustration.

    Signs at the Women’s March on Washington Called Out White Feminism
    White women elected Donald Trump.

    [thats what they are saying as now guess who is the target who will be attacked and guess who will have NO DEFENDERS… like swediish women, german women, but not latvian women, ukranian women, russian women, etc… they know not to drink from the flagon with the dragon and to drink from the other cup with the brew that is true / remember, they were the ones taht started the other versions that took hold, and ignored the early movements. you know, when they started becomin a terrorist organization with groups like rote zora…]

    The controversy surrounding the 2017 Million Women March isn’t anything new. The institution of racism is deeply intertwined with the democratic foundation of the nation. In 1913, the suffragette movement marched on Washington on the day of President Woodrow Wilson’s inauguration. The suffragette movement demanded the right for women to vote in public elections.

    yes, but they dont teach that women could vote and blcaks could vote already!!! did you know that? 19 states for women… what happened was that wilson changed TAX LAW which changed the voters, and that pushed the blacks out and women.. and gave control to the progressive socialist men, who now these groups fight FOR and against at the same time… like wrestling with a mirror…

    “The reality is that the women who initially started organizing were almost all white.” This brought up questions regarding intersectionality. How could a march championing the rights of women have such a lack of diversity? In an interview with Teen Vogue, one of the co-organizers of the Pennsylvania chapter of the Women’s March acknowledged the need for diversity. Heidi Solomon-Orlick said, “There was also some backlash about the event being perceived as a white women’s march. We needed to quickly mobilize…to add diversity, especially at the co-chair level. We have women, we have men, we have individuals of every race, gender and sexual orientation represented in pulling this march together.”

    yeah.. i guess they figured out sangers eugenics is not fake or accidental any more than it was the same dems and wealthy that funded her, the kkk that wanted her to talk and her autobiography deatils how she thought of people. i own a rare copy.. nasty stuff.

    nyu dedicates pages of contortions on why she did all that said all that but didnt mean any of it, despite her work with clarence gamble, paul popenoe, and the father of the holocaust on the medical area ernst rudin, whose old arguments are now being drummed up again by people like James Coyne… lovely… life not worth living all over again

    you have to kill god before you can BE god.
    right?

    When Is It OK To Kill Whites? | The American Conservative

    Paul Joseph Watson “Kill all white babies” BlackLivesMatter activist shouting! (video)

    Texas A&M won’t fire professor who called for killing white people

    Prof: ‘some white people may have to die’ – Campus Reform

    Kill Haole Day??

    Police: Man kills 3 on Fresno street, says he ‘hates white people’

    Knock out game?

    the times falsely reports this
    White Students’ Unfair Advantage in Admissions – The New York Times

    but if you read the study that was the rage, it pointed out how whites and chinese were locked out… that california is really really against chinese or otherwise no one else woudl be in school the admin said.

    Asians With “Very Familiar Profiles”: How Princeton’s Admissions Officers Talk About Race

    But documents obtained by BuzzFeed News show Princeton’s admissions officers repeatedly wrote of Asian-American applicants as being difficult to differentiate, referring to them dismissively as having “very familiar profiles,” calling them “standard premeds,” or “difficult to pluck out.” The comments were noted by civil rights investigators at the Education Department as they probed allegations of racial bias in the school’s admissions system.

    Of a Hispanic applicant, an admissions officer wrote, “Tough to see putting her ahead of others. No cultural flavor in app.” Of a black student, another said, “Very few African Americans with verbal scores like this.”

    nice as these are the same people that in the open, like the sangers and others, were singing a public tune for consumption and that was 180 opposite their private tune.

    and their victims LOVE Them.

  26. arfldgrs Says:

    from leaked documents:

    The schools want to select a racially diverse student body, but they cannot accept or reject applicants based primarily on their race. And they cannot set quotas for the number of students from a particular race who are admitted, even as the goal of a diverse student body essentially requires it.

    At times, the documents show, admissions officers twist themselves into bizarre knots as they consider — and dance around — the issue of applicants’ race. “Were there a touch more cultural flavor I’d be more enthusiastic,” one officer wrote of a native Hawaiian/Pacific Islander.

    The comments were unearthed by government investigators after two Asian-American students who had been rejected by the school complained of racial discrimination. In 2008, the Education Department began an investigation into the matter, collecting reams of detailed information on 539 individual applicants, probing how and why admissions officers decided who to admit.

    but this goes back to when i got out of high school
    but for gender then, not race..
    but now the pale ladies have been getting slamed and so when they go to court (like the texas case) they can argue

    but this has gone on for decades including three supreme court jdugments agains the bs..

    The department’s investigation ultimately backed this up, concluding that “at no point in time during the admissions process were … applicants of any other racial group separated out to be compared specifically to other applicants of their same racial group.” The investigators concluded that Princeton did not discriminate based on race or judge candidates solely by their race, instead using it as one piece in a broader picture of applicants.

    how nice… but not real in the real world..
    but its the kind of academic legal bs thing that makes for the unreal world they live in

    documents from the investigation through a Freedom of Information Act request. Princeton has sued the Education Department to prevent the release of many more, in a suit that involves an anti-affirmative action group, Students for Fair Admissions.

    so these are not smuggled docs, there are reams and reams of stuff for decades that no one would listen to

    after all if us guys complain
    we just hate women
    dont believe me, that was used here years ago!!
    [by a guest not neo!]


    The files released show that in brief summaries meant to present applicants to a committee, officers candidly discussed the race of black, Latino, and Native American applicants, often seemingly searching for those who highlighted their racial backgrounds rather than checking off boxes on their Common Applications.

    -=-=-=-=-

    When one reader called an applicant’s Native American heritage “appealing,” the other noted that the only place the boy had mentioned the heritage was in a checkbox on his Common Application. He called himself “a white boy,” the admissions officer noted.

    -=-=-=-=-

    they explicitly mentioned an applicant’s Asian background as a positive — a half-Korean, half-Hispanic applicant that the officer called a “neat blend.”

    Every admissions officer interviewed by the Education Department said explicitly that they did not think it was more difficult for Asian-Americans to be admitted.

    But Blum, Kahlenberg, and others say that the data that is available undermines this assertion. They argue that while the share of Asian-Americans applying to Ivy League and other elite schools has risen steadily, the percentage of Asian-Americans making up their classes has stayed relatively stable. Meanwhile, they say, research shows that Asian-Americans must score significantly higher on their standardized tests in order to be admitted — 140 points higher than a white student, according to one study.

    Students for Fair Admissions claims that at the root of this alleged discrimination against Asian-Americans is affirmative action itself. By admitting black, Latino, and Native American applicants with lower academic scores, they say, elite colleges are discriminating against Asian-Americans — and whites, who also generally must score higher on tests to be admitted, though not as high as Asian-Americans.

    thats only partly true
    if you read the study, whites had to score too
    blacks and spanish got bonus points of over 300

    this means that my almost pefect sat score would have had to be over 250 points above perfect for me to outscore a black student at princeton

    this is why my sister who did not attend anything other than common schools, has 6 degrees… and i have zero
    why she has children, and i have none
    why my wife is being punished by this game
    where i just got two exceeds expecations, a 5000 bonus, a customer service award and a trophy and another 500… but am on probation to be fired for no reason..

    oh. and i dont play the autism protected class card
    i make it on my own

    but cant.
    now they are talking about why its not ok to abort me, despute 50 years outside the womb (See jerry Coyne post birth abortion arguments)

    now us men just bailed.
    how you gonna get em back
    they wont..

    when this happens to this point
    the subject population dies out
    it lives for a while, but doesnt know its dead yet
    but its dead…
    no population recovers from below replacement
    and we have been below replacement for 20 years and have to import third worlders to hide the decline

    bye, thats it
    let the hating me begin or whatever
    thanks for letting me write

  27. arfldgrs Says:

    spend an hour reading all the SBA stuff
    then realie that if your not a woman or minority – you dont get all that money, help, contracts, free office stuff, tax abatements, and more…
    so no bank will loan to you!!
    how can you compete against THAT?

    but if your read the texts are neutral, like everyone
    that is till you read who can join or not.. then you relize it doesnt matter if the text is inclusive, it only matters if you meet the 8A credentials!!!

    wait.. in 10 years you will hear them describe what OBama said that was ridiculous then, as being something valid and right to something that never happend but now is HISTORY

    most people dont think at all about that process in social development of socieites. they just look at themselves and thing its all about them… but what if your talking to the future? establishing a speech that 10 years from now or more, will be the record and hard to refute given its a president… you can stack the future deck, no?

    fun fun fun
    sorry i left the above out
    bye

  28. Sean Says:

    Gee, Tuvea, so the old alt-right adage was true: My grandfather fought the Nazis so that I could live to be called a Nazi for holding the same views he did.

    And now Sean – echoing the alt-Right and the American Nazi party – tells me that Jewish people are, again, no longer to be considered ‘white’.

    Well, no, what I said was that left-wing Jews like to call themselves white for purposes of self-criticism, and they like to call themselves Jews for purposes of self-praise. If you think it takes a Nazi to say that, then I’m going to go ahead and suspect you’re just a hysterical drama queen.

    Sean, in your considered opinion are Jewish people like our hostess neoneocon ‘life unworthy of life’?

    Okay, now I know you’re a hysterical drama queen.

    Tuvea, do you make no distinctions between yourself and goys? Do you think other Jews don’t make that distinction? Do you see your interests as aligning entirely with ours?

    Btw I don’t have a problem with conservative Jews (mostly). And I hate to get your paranoid dander up but there’s nothing wrong with pointing out the hostility that left-wing Jews have for us white shkotzim. Lisa Bloom is just one of multitudes and it absolutely has to be pointed out. In fact, not to terrify even more, but more and more people are seeing it all the time. Sorry, not sorry.

  29. Sean Says:

    Dave,

    A jewish employee of a company I worked part time in filed a complaint against me for calling him a “Jew” in the elevator when no one else was around. turned out I was listening to my Ipod and unintentionally triggered this jewish person when I was doing that air drumming sound “chu chu chu…”

    The worst thing you can call a Jew is “Jew.” You can call him “rapist,” or “liar” or “fraud” or whatever and he’ll look at you with sublime indifference. But call him “Jew” and he will flip out on you.
    Anyway, good on you for manipulating the race card, I do it too. Since racism is so subjective, it’s pretty easy to do.

  30. Sean Says:

    Here’s a question I’ve wondered about Affirmative Action for a while now.

    Affirmative Action gives blacks and hispanics a big boost on their college admissions scores so that they can have a leg up on the competition. But Asians and Jews regularly receive the highest admissions scores, well above white people (not that anyone on the Left cares about white people lagging behind any other groups). That being the case, wouldn’t Affirmative Action be less likely to hurt those who score highest and more likely to affect groups who score in the middle?

  31. Dave Says:

    Affirmative action hurts Asian student greatly and that is a major reason many starting to vote republicans in recent elections.

    but like I said I did not call him a Jew, it was like 10 years ago when I was a college kid knew nothing about racial tension in America. I didn’t even know how to tell rather someone is jewish. I was doing that air drum sound while I was listening to either Rush or Keith Moon of the Who on my Ipod minding my own business. That sensitive Jewish employee mistaken my air drumming as me calling him a jew. The problem was he refused to listen, he demanded me to apologize to him while giving him a big lecture on racism in America. Funny that it was the first time i have ever felt being oppressed and racism in America and it came from a sensitive Jew falsely accusing me of using a racial slur against him. I will never forget that bully smug face of his.

  32. Sean Says:

    Well, on the bright side, you can always take a little schadenfreude in knowing that the black kid who took your spot at MIT likely dropped out after a few semesters.

  33. Sean Says:

    Funny that it was the first time i have ever felt being oppressed and racism in America and it came from a sensitive Jew falsely accusing me of using a racial slur against him.

    You thought I was joking but I was serious. When you call a Jew “Jew,” they consider it a racial slur. Yes, it’s weird.

    They *really* don’t like having other people point out their ethnicity. They find it very threatening. You know the guy who came up with the Trump wrestling gif, who CNN threatened to doxx last month? That wasn’t because of the Trump gif, it was because the guy put up a photo of all the Jews who work at CNN with Stars of David over their faces. CNN’s bizarre overreaction is testimony to how badly they hate having their ethnicity brought up.

  34. neo-neocon Says:

    Sean:

    You have no idea what “they” think as a whole.

    And you are also factually wrong.

    Jewishness is a complex thing. It’s a combination of a religion and an ethnicity. There are Jews of all racial groups, because people of any race can convert to Judaism. But although the majority of Jews are indeed linked ethnically (i.e. by geneology), that is hardly their only characteristic as a people.

    I use the word “people” purposely, because Jews actually consider themselves a people, which is quite different—and broader—than an ethnicity.

  35. Dave Says:

    so is it racism if I ask a person if he is Jewish? So calling a Jewish person a Jew is equivalent to calling a chinese “chi*aman” progressives are making everything racist, sooner or later we will run out of words to use when every word is racist.

  36. neo-neocon Says:

    Sean:

    Oh, and I just can’t imagine why any Jew would be so weirdly sensitive about having Stars of David plastered on their faces.

    It’s not like there’s any bad history associated with that sort of marking, right?

    Don’t be disingenuous.

  37. Sean Says:

    Oh, and I just can’t imagine why any Jew would be so weirdly sensitive about having Stars of David plastered on their faces.

    No, I can see why Jews wouldn’t care for that. But for a national news organization to bring its information gathering services to bear on one poor pleb who posted a bunch of pictures of Jewish executives with a symbol of their Jewishness… doesn’t strike you as a bizarre overreaction?

    It’s not like there’s any bad history associated with that sort of marking, right?

    Don’t be disingenuous.

    I’m not being disingenuous. There’s good history with the star of david too, it does happen to be the symbol on Israel’s victorious flag, after all. But you said yourself a few weeks back that there was nothing obscene or Nazi-esque about that photo he put up. All he did was make a list of all the Jewish high-mucky-mucks and put a star on them. The higher up the corridors of power the Jew is, the more he hates having his ethnicity brought up by others.

    If you took a similar photo of all the Christians in a similar news organization and superimposed images of crosses on them, how do you think they’d respond? Would they try to doxx you?

  38. neo-neocon Says:

    Sean:

    I’m not defending CNN.

    You have been talking, however, about JEWS overreacting. This is your sentence, which you might want to read again:

    “CNN’s bizarre overreaction is testimony to how badly they hate having their ethnicity brought up.”

    In that sentence you very clearly conflate the CNN reaction with Jews hating to have their ethnicity brought up. So no, you weren’t just talking about CNN as a news entity. And in your statement you also were ignoring completely the reason that Jews might be sensitive to having Stars of David plastered on their faces.

    Stop being so disingenuous.

  39. Sean Says:

    And contrary to neo’s statement, what I was actually getting at was the insecurity Jews have always had to muddle through when they lived in Christian and Muslim societies. They occupied high positions in finance, government, academics, and all of those things could be taken away from them almost overnight by angry mobs, noble creditors, jealous rivals, etc. It breeds a unique personality trait: having near total power, combined with the tension of waiting for the other foot to drop.

  40. Sean Says:

    In that sentence you very clearly conflate the CNN reaction with Jews hating to have their ethnicity brought up. So no, you weren’t just talking about CNN as a news entity. And in your statement you also were ignoring completely the reason that Jews might be sensitive to having Stars of David plastered on their faces.

    In that sentence, I conflated CNN with all the Jewish executives who run it and make its decisions. Do you think they had nothing to do with doxxing that kid? Why would the Jews who run CNN have behaved that way?

    And I’m not being disingenuous. In fact, I think you’re remembering the picture wrong. If he’d put yellow stars on their faces, that would have been one thing. And I think that’s what you’re talking about. But what he put was the light blue Star of David from the Israeli flag, which is a different symbol entirely and certainly one no self-respecting Jew would have a problem seeing next to his face. There was nothing threatening about the stars, the threat was that he “outed” the Jews who run CNN, full stop.

    Stop being so disingenuous.

  41. FOAF Says:

    Jews, the all-purpose race. If you’re white, we’re not.
    If you aren’t white, we are.

  42. neo-neocon Says:

    Dave:

    It depends why a person is asking.

    The Nazis asked for a certain reason. People who are friendly and curious ask for quite a different reason.

  43. Dave Says:

    So the Nazis can’t tell if a person if he is jewish or not by a basic eye test? It amazes me how some people can have so much hate for a group of people when they are so indistinguishable they can’t even identify them without asking. It is like Japanese trying to spot all the chinese to have them exterminated, at least the Japanese can separate chinese from japanese by asking if they can speak japanese.

  44. Richard Saunders Says:

    This discussion has gotten way off-topic, but to bring it back, it is the official policy of the two top schools of the University of California, Berkeley and UCLA, to give a 200-point handicap on their SAT score to Asian applicants. (This has been widely publicized, but, as far as I know, never officially promulgated.) There may be other UCs which do that as well. Despite their best efforts, UCLA is sometimes called the University of Caucasians Lost among Asians.

  45. Sean Says:

    Nobody cares about whether people are physically distinguishable or not. Different groups can look alike and have radically different agendas and values. Case in point: Lisa Bloom. Looks white, hates white people. All you have to do is check out her twitter feed for five minutes to see it.

  46. parker Says:

    Sheesh, it is basic, feet on the ground, that the left lie and do so because they willfully ignore human nature and human history, In the utopia they imgaine they will be the first to become soylent green. Fools one and all.

  47. Sean Says:

    https://twitter.com/LisaBloom/status/892820061928534016

    Lisa Bloom‏Verified account @LisaBloom Aug 2
    White people incorrectly think anti-white bias is biggest racial problem we have. White people, we are the problem.

    This is exactly what I’m talking about. Lisa Bloom, like all left-wing Jews, says she’s white when criticizing white people in order to make it look like she’s being objective. But when it comes time to self-praise, she’s a Jew.

    https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20479857_1677313465635036_4257362614432293404_n.jpg?oh=e401792d6b18b19be5442a4b3ee14625&oe=59F1BE91

  48. neo-neocon Says:

    Sean:

    I fail to understand your point, other than to diss Jews.

    ALL left-wing Jews (a) are of Jewish origin; and (b) believe in left-wing politics. Other than that, they don’t ALL operate the same.

    But, more importantly, Jews can be of any race. Bloom is a white woman AND a Jew. There is no contradiction and no problem with her claiming to be white in one tweet and saying something about her being Jewish in another, where she wishes people a happy holiday for a Jewish holiday.

    There are many black Jews, you know. A black Jew can say in one tweet that he or she is black, and in another tweet mention that he or she is Jewish and wish people a happy Chanukah.

  49. Sean Says:

    I fail to understand your point, other than to diss Jews.

    It’s not about dissing Jews as such. It’s about pointing out the hostility that left-wing Jews typically have towards white people and that their left-wing politics are a vehicle for said hostility. White goys are typically unaware that Jews -at least the left variety- view us far more negatively than we view them. It needs to be brought to light.
    It also needs to be pointed out when Jews identify as white in order to criticize whites and identify as Jewish in order to praise themselves, as Bloom does, playing a shell game with their identity.

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