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  1. “It may seem hard to see how a play that merely dramatizes courtroom testimony can be criticized.” neo

    It’s only hard to see… if one still clings to the bourgeois fantasy that objective reality actually exists.

    Fortunately, the majority of humanity has advanced to the understanding that reality is whatever one wishes it to be.

  2. I have the WAPO account of poor innocent Michael Brown being killed by the vicious racist cop. I am going to find that article and show you how the WAPO edits the truth to promote an agenda. The WAPO told the truth but they still lie by omission. Even when the media tell the truth they are lying.

  3. Ray— Did the WAPO mention how the vicious racist police squad was dispatched by Mayor DiBlasio to stop the heinous crime of selling loose cigarettes after Mr. Bill raised the price of a pack to $13 and banned drugstores from selling them?

  4. Hey Neo you’re a lawyer, right?

    Isn’t grand jury testimony sealed and unavailable to the public? How did this guy get grand jury transcripts?

  5. These follow the very sucessful formula of a very famous play that most dont know about, but DO know and believe its contents!!!

    [which also follows the first real take of false things becomeing real, which was the comiterms reichstag trial which is what everyone remembers, not the actual trial…thanks to Munzenberg]

    In its original german:
    Der Stellvertreter. Ein christliches Trauerspiel

    In England
    The Representative

    and the US
    The Deputy

    it was written in 1963 by Rolf Hochhuth

    It portrayed Pope Pius XII as having failed to take action or speak out against the Holocaust. It has been translated into more than twenty languages

    A letter from Albert Schweitzer to Hochhuth’s German publisher serves as the foreword to the US edition

    The premiere of Rolf Hochhuth’s “Christian tragedy” in West Berlin’s “Theater am Kurfé¼rstendamm” (temporary home of the “Freie Volksbé¼hne Berlin”) on February 20, 1963 caused the largest and most heated theatre controversy in postwar Germany. The theatre production led to international diplomatic complications. Further productions of Hochhuth’s play brought about conflicts and turmoil in several European cities.

    Hannah Arendt also discusses the play (and public reaction to it) in her 1964 essay “The Deputy: Guilt by Silence?”.

    In the assessment of the Encyclopé¦dia Britannica, the depiction of the Pope as indifferent to the Holocaust “lacks credible substantiation”.

    The encyclopedia notes “though Pius’s wartime public condemnations of racism and genocide were cloaked in generalities, he did not turn a blind eye to the suffering but chose to use diplomacy to aid the persecuted. It is impossible to know if a more forthright condemnation of the Holocaust would have proved more effective in saving lives, though it probably would have better assured his reputation.

    a case of the leftist judging that he did not protesteth enough… and damned by the assumptive that if he did, his voice woudl have been enough to halt hitler, something several countries, tons od deaths, and such could not do for years

    In 2007 a high ranking intelligence officer and defector from the Eastern Bloc, Ion Mihai Pacepa, stated that in February 1960, Nikita Khrushchev authorized a covert plan (known as Seat 12) to discredit the Vatican, with Pope Pius XII as the prime target

    As part of that plan Pacepa alleged that General Ivan Agayants, chief of the KGB’s disinformation department, created the outline for what was to become the play

    Pacepa’s story has not been corroborated; the national paper Frankfurter Allgemeine opined that Hochhuth who had been an unknown publisher’s employee until 1963 “did not require any KGB assistance for his one-sided presentation of history”

    yes, dial up the KGB and ask them if the defector is telling the truth… so yeah… for a play there is little corroboration, for other things from him, there were lots.

    However, German historian Michael F. Feldkamp called Pacepa’s account “wholly credible. It fits like a missing piece in the puzzle of communist propaganda and disinformation aimed at discrediting the Catholic Church and its Pontiff.”

    English historian, Michael Burleigh, stated “Soviet attempts to smear Pius had actually commenced as soon as the Red Army crossed into Catholic Poland”, noting that the Soviets “hired a militantly anti-religious propagandist, Mikhail Markovich Sheinmann” – “Hochhuth’s play…drew heavily upon Sheinmann’s lies and falsehoods…”

    So once again, its the SAME people as willi, otto katz, and later who? and then later up to today? same people.. this year marks 100 years of the gad fly nation

    but do remember this:
    The first attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II took place on Wednesday, 13 May 1981, in St. Peter’s Square at Vatican City. The Pope was shot and wounded by Mehmet Ali AÄŸca while he was entering the square. The Pope was struck four times, and suffered severe blood loss. AÄŸca was apprehended immediately, and later sentenced to life in prison by an Italian court. The Pope later forgave AÄŸca for the assassination attempt. He was pardoned by Italian president Carlo Azeglio Ciampi at the Pope’s request and was deported to Turkey in June 2000.

    [i wonder what religion he practiced? arafat too? Karlos the jackal? sirhan sirhan? big list… all connected to one state, the same state that created the house of saud by helping Ibn]

    Mehmet Ali AÄŸca a Turkish assassin and Grey Wolves member – is considered ultra nationalist..

    but however, russia admitted they were behind it as a part of glasnost.

    There is this rich history of using show trials (plays of sorts), and actual plays to inject ideas into the body politic. / you can be sure that this is what is going to happen here, because any other version wont make money, and such a version will end up being a money maker as fellow travelers know what to do with it given its part of the agit prop of confusion of the times.

    and for the record:
    The shooter was a Muslim Turk named Mehmet Ali Agca, who was part of an international conspiracy. He would ultimately name seven accomplices, all working under a plan conceived by the Bulgarian secret service – one of the communist world’s most restrictive intelligence services and the one most subject to Moscow’s control.

    It was joked that Bulgaria was practically the 16th Soviet republic. The Bulgarians were dutiful stooges to the Kremlin. They didn’t do anything without Soviet approval.

    so a leftist society of communists, used a rightist partner like hitlers to try to do in the pope after years of smears and a campaign that started with a german play that later came to the US and became “common knowlege” on the left..

    [the aids being made in a US lab as a admitted russian disinformation campaign was similar, there they used romanian and injected the article first in press in india, where indira ghandi and the ghandi family was in their pocket (or dont read the 2nd book of the Mitrokhin archives that details stuff in the world… blows the mind to read them and knwo they are confrimed, but since they are hand copies, cant be used as evidence!!) – Gorbachev admitted and apologized about it]

    so thats the prior history of these things
    want to bet that history will repeat?

    do note that hollywood slowly change under otto katz and the same kind of injection of wrong bcame norm for hollywood as they drifed farther and farther away from facts and things and changed narratives as time passed.

    till now movies outright depict histories wrongly as norm
    just read the draft riots and destruction of blacks that day by the dems, longshormen.. some horrors like dragging a dead black man by his genitals around manhatten.

    and nothign about that was in “Gangs of New York”
    not only that, but the depiction of five corners was not accurate… as the businesses there were owned by blacks who gave credit to the poor white irish there. when the riots hit, the irish protected the blacsk there because of that, and poured boiling water on the unions and dems…

    but not one iota of it is in the movie…
    in fact, an iota would be large!!! humoungous
    not even a lepton

  6. for those that dont know the history that kicks off the prior history of such thing…

    Hostility toward Catholicism has deep roots in Russian history, going back to the time in the Middle Ages when Rome pressed military campaigns in an attempt to end the split in the Christian world and wrench Orthodox believers away from their loyalty to Constantinople.

    Later, repressive measures by the Polish crown against Russian Orthodox believers compounded antagonisms, and the Marxist enmity to religion built on these after 1917.

    Victims of Stalinist Terror

    Catholics were among the victims of Stalin’s terror in the 1930’s, but the most concerted attacks on the church occurred after 1940, when Stalin annexed the Baltic republics and eastern Poland.

    Then and later, when Soviet authority in the Baltic republics was being re-established after World War II, thousands of Catholics were shipped off to labor camps.

    Many prominent church figures died there, and the majority of churches were closed and their property confiscated.

    An attempt at a limited rapprochement began in 1963, when Nikita S. Khrushchev’s son-in-law, Aleksei I. Adzhubei, who was editor of Izvestia, the principal Government newspaper, was received by Pope John XXIII in the Vatican.

    yes, the SAME year and same soviet leader pacepa said was behind he play… making friends in the public and in private plotting destruction.. (dems did the same during hayes tilden compromise, which dems murdered thousands and most dont believe that blacks could vote before the amendments, as did women (in 19 states as it was a state thing not federal))

    20 years later, not only did the smear not do enough
    not only did bella dodd putting 2000 in who would let pedophiles and such into it (the same way otto katz did hollywood)… but Gromyko and russians HATED the poles (as they did when they teamed up with hitler starting with polands as the pie to slice up).. they eventually tried to kill the pope, and nearly succeeded.. (if they did, you can be sure that the fascist wolves would be blamed and that the pope would have been remembered killed by a member of the not left, or rather bukharins right opposionals… of course, this was jyst one more in a 100 year history of constant betrayals and lack of keeping promises…)

    the end of the article

    It is not known whether these diplomatic contacts have continued since the storm broke over allegations by authorities in Italy that the Bulgarian secret police, a close adjunct of the K.G.B., might have been involved in the attempt to kill the Pope John Paul.

    The allegations were based in part on statements made by Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turk convicted in the attack. A Bulgarian airline employee in Rome, Sergei Antonov, is under arrest in the case. Some Western officials have said that if the Bulgarians were involved the trail might lead to the K.G.B., which was then headed by Yuri V. Andropov, who took over from Mr. Brezhnev as the Soviet leader.

    how do i know all this?
    well here is the title of the article that revealed all this in the NY TIMEs

    LATVIAN CARDINAL SURPRISE TO SOVIET
    By JOHN F. BURNS, Special to the New York Times
    Published: January 9, 1983

    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/01/09/world/latvian-cardinal-surprise-to-soviet.html

  7. Isn’t grand jury testimony sealed and unavailable to the public? How did this guy get grand jury transcripts?

    good question!!

    Reporters are often stymied in their attempts to obtain grand jury records as well. Long after a grand jury has finished its work, courts may still keep transcripts of the proceedings under wraps because in the court’s view, the interest in secrecy outweighs the public’s right to know.

    ah… think on that last part carefully
    as it turns the act of release or not into a political weapon with little responsiblity behind it!!!
    ie. it can hurt or not hurt, but the one doing it cant be hurt

    “Grand juries summon witnesses and documents with subpoenas. Witnesses, including custodians of documents, report on the scheduled date not to a courtroom, but to a hallway outside the room where the grand jury is sitting. The witness must enter the grand jury room alone, without his or her lawyer. No judge presides and none is present. . . . Inside the grand jury room are sixteen to twenty-three grand jurors, one or more prosecuting attorneys, and a court reporter. . . . The witness is sworn, and questioning commences, all to the end of determining whether ‘there is adequate basis for bringing a criminal charge.’” – U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington, D.C., in 1998

    Grand jury proceedings have been held in secret since the 1600s. The secrecy rule, adopted from England, has become an integral – some say essential – part of the American criminal justice system. There is no First Amendment right of public access to grand jury proceedings. Participants, except witnesses, are forbidden from disclosing matters related to the grand jury, even after the grand jury’s activities have concluded.

    The U.S. Supreme Court in 1979 identified several reasons for maintaining such secrecy. First, without the assurance of confidentiality, many prospective witnesses would hesitate to come forward willingly, knowing that the people against whom they testify would find out about it; second, those who did come forward would be less likely to testify “fully and frankly” because they would be vulnerable to retribution and inducements; third, people about to be indicted might flee, or try to influence individual grand jurors to vote against indictment; and finally, it protects those who are accused, but not indicted, from public scorn. (Douglas Oil v. Petrol Stops Northwest)

    Records of federal grand jury proceedings remain confidential “to the extent and as long as necessary to prevent the unauthorized disclosure of a matter occurring before a grand jury,” according to Rule 6(e)(6) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. It is left to the court to determine when to release such records.

    Different states have different laws that restrict, or release
    and perhaps even city councils have laws that negate states

    The press should argue “that there is an important public interest in seeing what is in the grand jury transcripts,” especially in cases involving botched prosecutions or government corruption, said Lake, who submitted a friend-of-the-court brief for the media in United States v. Aisenberg.

    One argument often advanced in favor of disclosure is that the information contained in the grand jury materials is already public knowledge, so releasing it would cause no additional harm

    if i was in california i would have become a laywer for fun
    CA is the only state i know you can become a lawyer by passing the bar and not attending lawschool.. (which is why CA produces so many prison lawyers!!!)

  8. I have a woman friend with whom I was discussing the Travon Martin case. I pointed out that contrary to the photo that everyone saw, taken when Martin was 12, he was 17, and taller, heavier and stronger than George Zimmerman. She refused to believe this. I showed her documentation. She still refused. She simply didn’t want to believe that he wasn’t this cute little 7th grader. That would require all of the feelz she had racked up over the history of the case to have been in vain.

  9. a perfect modern example of Willi Munzenbergs stuff from the current russians to the current innocents clubs

    they knew what they were fighting against
    but didnt know who they were fighting for. they gave their time, money, parts of their lives, but like back when, they never knew who was leading (sadly this is true of a lot of the united fronts movements… like feminism, etc, which is why they are pretty much all left other than a fringe who claims to be a part of them while they say they arent real)

    Thousands Of New Yorkers Took To The Streets In Anti-Trump March Promoted By Russia-Linked Account
    The event drew thousands of protesters to march on Trump Tower.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryancbrooks/thousands-of-new-yorkers-took-to-the-streets-in-anti-trump

    BlackMattersUS, a social media campaign believed to be Russians meddling in the US politics, promoted a large anti-Trump march in New York City in the days after the election.

    A now-unavailable Facebook page for the Nov. 12, 2016, march shows the event’s host as BM, a known alias of the BlackMattersUS used throughout the group’s promotional materials for other sponsored protests, and encouraged protesters to meet at Union Square at 12 p.m. to march to Trump Tower.

    -=-=-

    On Wednesday afternoon, after BuzzFeed News published this report, the House Intelligence Committee released a sampling of Facebook ads linked to Russia. One of the ads released was a sponsored post for the Nov. 12 anti-Trump march at Union Square.
    -=-=-
    RBC, a Russian outlet, identified BlackMatters as one of 180 social media accounts. BuzzFeed News has reported that the operation including luring unsuspecting American activists to protests, self-defense classes aimed at black communities, apparently aimed at exploiting existing US domestic movements, from pro-Trump memes to social justice activism.

    anyone want to venture a guess as to the size of such operations?
    and why the idea of different sized military budgets are not as indicative as is assumed in peoples judgments. Things like this are not in the same budget so arent part of the expenses we use as a public to make assumptions.

  10. Blacks are like cats, Gordon. They are both so cute when small and young, but not so much as big tomcats on the insemination trail.
    A huge tomcat, a cat-dom Michael Brown equivalent, got into my basement once. After trying to force him out, his aggressive hostility was such that I just left a window open and fled my basement.

  11. I was struck by the playwright’s statement, “I have deliberately excluded ‘the journalistic voice,'” followed by his saying that he intended to include “no filter, no bias.” That’s a pretty telling denouncement of journalistic objectivity: that he, a career journalist, believes that there is a commonly understood phrase “journalistic voice” that implies filter and bias.

    My first (and more useless) degree was communication studies, in which I learned (or was told) several (more helpful than expected) things: (a) that you cannot not communicate, (b) that the medium is the message, and (c) that the media are, for good or ill, the gatekeepers of information to the public. In this context: (a) the “news” media cannot help but communicate their contempt for their audience; (b) the way to understand the “news” media as the message is to understand that journalists (c) consider themselves vocational gatekeepers deliberately keeping certain information from the public and allowing other information, in acceptable forms, through their gate.

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