December 12th, 2017

The Strzok/Page texts make it clear that these two people were fully capable of an objective assessment of all things Trump and Clinton

Not. Not. NOT.

I’m not sure what I expected—I expected something pretty bad, because otherwise the two would not have been removed, and it would not have been kept so hush-hush.

But it’s still quite something to read what Strzok and Page were brazenly texting each other while at their respective jobs, without any sense that their texts would ever be read. And this guy is a counter-intelligence officer? I have to say that if I ever was going to write messages so incriminating, I’d make sure they were in a medium that could never, never ever, be seen by anyone else. Maybe I’d send them by carrier pigeon, and then I’d flush the papers down the toilet.

A sampler:

On Aug. 6, Page texted Strzok a New York Times article about Muslim lawyer Khzir Khan, who became embroiled in a war of words with Trump after Khan spoke at the Democratic National Convention.

“Jesus. You should read this. And Trump should go f himself,” Page wrote in a message attached to the article.

“God that’s a great article,” Strzok answered. “Thanks for sharing. And F TRUMP.”

I always say F*** whoever it is I’m being objective and fair about. Don’t you?

More:

And then we have this announcement:

The co-founder of Trump dossier firm Fusion GPS confirmed in court filings on Tuesday that he met last year with Justice Department official Bruce Ohr and hired Ohr’s wife to help with the opposition research firm’s investigation of Donald Trump.

Glenn Simpson said in a declaration filed in federal court in Washington, D.C. that he met “at [Ohr’s] request” weeks after the presidential election. Simpson stated that Ohr, who recently held the position of deputy assistant attorney general, sought the meeting “to discuss our findings regarding Russia and the election.”…

In addition to his meeting with Simpson, Bruce Ohr also met last year with dossier author Christopher Steele. Fox News reported last week that Ohr’s meetings with Steele occurred before the election.

Ohr still works at the Justice Department, but he was stripped of one of his positions last Wednesday after Fox News inquired about his meetings with Simpson and Steele. He remains as director of Justice Department’s Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force.

Nellie Ohr’s work for Fusion GPS — which Simpson referred to as “confidential” — was revealed Monday night. Fox News reported that she worked for the oppo firm during the presidential campaign. It was unclear until Simpson’s disclosure whether she worked directly on Trump-related matters.

Will anything actually come of these revelations? Nothing came of the exposure of the politicization and weaponizing of the IRS, did it?

Hate to be cynical, but I’m feeling that way at the moment. I think a lot of people are getting away, if not with murder in the literal sense, then with using the mechanism of government to conspiratorially subvert the republic. And funny thing, they seem to think they are being noble in protecting us from Donald Trump, whom they see as the real tyrant.

22 Responses to “The Strzok/Page texts make it clear that these two people were fully capable of an objective assessment of all things Trump and Clinton”

  1. Artfldgr Says:

    Conspiracies dont exist…
    these are not the droids your looking for

  2. AesopFan Says:

    V D Hanson has a good wrap-up, although it didn’t include this last log-on-the-fire:
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/454543/mueller-investigation-too-many-anti-trump-coincidences

  3. Griffin Says:

    The fact that these people were involved in the Clinton whitewash and the Trump witch hunt just adds to the disgrace. Are there only like five people employed by the FBI? And is extra marital workplace affairs approved FBI behavior? These two should be fired immediately. Sessions has been a major disappointment and tonight drives it home further so now he needs to do his damn job.

    Of all the destructive actions undertaken in the Obama years the weapon inaction politicization of the Justice Department may be the most far reaching and troubling for the country.

  4. Griffin Says:

    Weaponization that is.

  5. AesopFan Says:

    I just finished reading a Vox article from earlier that laments, “What if Mueller proves his case and it doesn’t matter?”

    What we Deplorables think is the problem is not what THEY think is the problem.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/2/16588964/america-epistemic-crisis

    “We don’t know yet if Mueller has the goods — documentary or testimonial proof of explicit collusion — or if he can get them, so we have no idea how this is ultimately going to play out.

    But we are disturbingly close to the following scenario:

    Say Mueller reveals hard proof that the Trump campaign knowingly colluded with Russia, strategically using leaked emails to hurt Clinton’s campaign. Say the president — backed by the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Fox News, Breitbart, most of the US Cabinet, half the panelists on CNN, most of the radio talk show hosts in the country, and an enormous network of Russian-paid hackers and volunteer shitposters working through social media — rejects the evidence.

    They might say Mueller is compromised. It’s a Hillary/Deep State plot. There’s nothing wrong with colluding with Russia in this particular way. Dems did it first. All of the above. Whatever.

    Say the entire right-wing media machine kicks to life and dismisses the whole thing as a scam — and conservatives believe them. The conservative base remains committed to Trump, politicians remain scared to cross the base, and US politics remains stuck in partisan paralysis, unable to act on what Mueller discovers.

    In short, what if Mueller proves the case and it’s not enough? What if there is no longer any evidentiary standard that could overcome the influence of right-wing media?”

    When of course, THEY should be more worried about the fact that they have conditioned the Right to immediately distrust anything they say, and that Mueller’s team is embarrassingly, and incontrovertibly, outed by all of the conflicts of interest being revealed.

    http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/11/cnn-walks-back-jeff-sessions-russia-bombshell/

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/13/robert-mueller-russia-probe-organization-244789

    https://libertyunyielding.com/2017/12/08/russian-organized-crime-mysteries-mueller-democrats-russia-trump-thing/

  6. M J R Says:

    neo writes, ” I think a lot of people are getting away, if not with murder in the literal sense, then with using the mechanism of government to conspiratorially subvert the republic.”

    Sonny & Cher chime in . . .

    “The beat goes on, the beat goes on:
    Drums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
    (La de da de de, la de da de da).
    Charleston was once the rage, uh huh
    History has turned the page, uh huh.”

  7. AesopFan Says:

    Here’s a Byzantine view of the situation.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-firing-mueller-would-be-disastrous-discrediting-him-is-impeachment-politics/article/2643057

    “But there is another way to look at the recent wave of Mueller criticism: It’s all politics. The overriding purpose of the anti-Mueller Trump defenses is not to goad the president into firing Mueller, which would be a disastrous act that could spell an early end to Trump’s presidency. Instead, the overriding purpose is to discredit the Mueller investigation in the expectation that the probe will ultimately lead to articles of impeachment filed against the president in the House of Representatives. If that happens, and the impeachment goes to the Senate for trial, Trump, like President Bill Clinton before him, will have a ready, cable TV-tested line of defense focusing on the unfairness of the prosecutor. The audience for that defense would be Republican senators who will vote for or against the articles of impeachment.

    Firing Mueller would be insane. Discrediting him is pure impeachment politics.


    Now, Trump allies are beginning to attack Mueller. They got a later start than Clinton’s allies did, but they are also operating in a much faster-paced media environment than the Clinton era. They can catch up fast.

    They also have another thing going for them: The Mueller team deserves some of the criticism it has been receiving. Not only does Mueller himself arguably have a conflict — he has what has been called a close, “brothers in arms” relationship with former FBI Director James Comey, the key figure in the obstruction of justice part of the Trump-Russia probe — but he has hired lawyers and investigators who actively supported and defended Hillary Clinton in recent times. …
    “Imagine Dem response if Trump’s personal lawyer hired to investigate Hillary,” tweeted Andrew McCarthy, the former federal prosecutor who writes for National Review.

    The bottom line: There’s a case to be made against Mueller.

    It’s not possible to say whether the Trump strategy will work, or even be needed, because there are just too many moving parts at the moment.”

    Change “some” to “all” (and he doesn’t even mention the full list of Mueller’s problems), and he accurately states the case against Mueller.

    We’ve just seen how politicians can be upended by the things they don’t know they don’t know, in the Moore election.
    So, about impeachment v. discreditation: we’ll see.

  8. FOAF Says:

    “Say the entire right-wing media machine kicks to life”

    Wow, this is insane. The left *overwhelmingly* controls most of the major media outlets as well as social media like Facebook and Twitter but it’s not enough for them. And if they are losing influence it is because they have become so unhinged and biased that even LIVs are beginning to notice.

  9. Manju Says:

    And this guy is a counter-intelligence officer? I have to say that if I ever was going to write messages so incriminating, I’d make sure they were in a medium that could never, never ever, be seen by anyone else.

    How exactly is it incriminating for a counter-intelligence officer to express (extreme) disgust with Trump’s attack on a Gold Star Family?

    It’s the Summer of 2016. At this point, awareness of Russian interference into the 2016 Presidential Election was largely limited to Foreign Intelligence Agencies. At best, the FBI had just begun a counter-intelligence investigation into it.

    And even if we were to assume that the investigation was well under way…at that point in time was there any meaningful suspicion that the Trump Campaign was in cahoots with of even knew of the Russian government’s attempts to undermine our democracy?

  10. Cornhead Says:

    This is the biggest scandal in American political history.

    Something will be done only if Fox, talk radio and the blogosphere informs the public and stays on the case.

    What this case needs is some snappy analogies and a clever nickname to make this memorable. Like Trump coining Low Energy Jeb and Crooked Hillary.

    I think about it and get back to this forum. I might be able to use that guy’s last name somehow.

  11. steve walsh Says:

    Goodness, what an ugly state of affairs we find ourselves in.

    As I’ve mentioned before, I’m not a Trump voter or, in particular a supporter, but I find myself defending him almost daily. Other than his provocative tweets how is it exactly that he is being a tyrant or behaving in a tyrannical manner?

  12. Dave Says:

    only tyrants I see nowadays are FBI, Mueller, feminists and the Democrats. nothing more tyrannic than trying to remove a legitimately elected president by the people with schemes and false allegations.

  13. OldTexan Says:

    Notice the timing on this latest information, they were putting this latest bombshell off until the polls closed yesterday. They did not want to divert the headlines of their perv story against Roy until the voting was over.

  14. lynndh Says:

    I have a $50 bet with my wife that nothing will happen to any of them. I can’t afford to lose more.

  15. JFM Says:

    Strozk, Page, Ohr, and others who are yet be identified operated in an “extremely careless” manner because they expected that:

    1)Hillary Clinton would win the 2016 election.

    2)Their misdeeds would never come to light.

    2)They would be rewarded by the Clinton administration.

  16. n.n Says:

    Baby trials (privacy, denying due process), and witch trials (public, bullhorn prosecutions including trial by press, mob juries). Progressive liberalism (i.e. monotonic divergence) or really bad principles.

  17. Cornhead Says:

    This scandal – if properly played – will destroy the Dems and media for a generation.

  18. neo-neocon Says:

    Manju:

    Oh, I dunno, maybe just for starters—the FBI email investigation of Hillary Clinton’s emails (in which Strzok was apparently a key player) was already going on which many of these texts were issued. It concluded just a couple of weeks before the GOP convention about which the two lovers texted quite a bit, for example, but their affair and correspondence had been going on for quite some time.

    Also, the affair itself was incriminating, both on a professional and personal level. Just for that reason alone they should have found a different way to communicate, but that was not the only reason.

    It’s also unclear what phones they used, but if they were official FBI phones (which I have heard they were) that would be another problem.

    And in fact the text messages did end up being a problem and got them demoted and also exposed, although we don’t know the full story there by any means.

  19. TommyJay Says:

    “LP – Yep. Out to lunch with (redacted) We both hate everyone and everything.”

    This bit from the re-tweets caught my attention. There are days when I hate the occasional thing or person in politics, like the Supreme’s decision on Obamacare, and the man responsible, Roberts, as an example.

    But here is this lady claiming to hate everyone and everything (because she is in southern Virginia, I think.) Is it just me, or has the Dem party become the party of hate? Now I don’t think she is saying that she hates everyone globally. Perhaps she would be more comfortable hanging out with the Taliban, or Hamas, or Kim Jong-un, or Harvey Weinstein.

  20. Gordon Says:

    There has to be a special investigator; one who has no ties to the FBI, NSA, CIA or DOJ. Someone who has never worked in Washington. That investigator has to recruit investigators who have never worked in Washington. He or she has to recruit lawyers/prosecutors who have never worked in Washington.

    And the investigation headquarters needs to be well away from Washington. Witnesses can drive or be flown in. But the grand jury needs to be from outside of DC.

  21. Ann Says:

    I have to say that if I ever was going to write messages so incriminating, I’d make sure they were in a medium that could never, never ever, be seen by anyone else. Maybe I’d send them by carrier pigeon, and then I’d flush the papers down the toilet.

    Sexual dalliances make some folks do goofy things. Like David Petraeus.

  22. AesopFan Says:

    Gordon Says:
    December 13th, 2017 at 12:57 pm
    There has to be a special investigator; one who has no ties to the FBI, NSA, CIA or DOJ. Someone who has never worked in Washington. That investigator has to recruit investigators who have never worked in Washington. He or she has to recruit lawyers/prosecutors who have never worked in Washington.

    And the investigation headquarters needs to be well away from Washington. Witnesses can drive or be flown in. But the grand jury needs to be from outside of DC.
    * *
    Good luck with that — and I agree with you completely.
    But would that be enough, given that even Andy McCarthy is batting for Strzok and Co. now (see Neo’s post today).

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