February 3rd, 2018

The tactics du jour

If you look at memeorandum’s roundup for today, you have to hand it to the Democrats as propagandists. They have their methods for deflecting the Nunes report and everything in it, and I have little doubt their methods will work with a great many people, and with virtually everyone on the left or liberal side.

It goes like this (summary version): the Nunes report is discredited because two unnamed officials have said that the FBI’s FISA request suggested that the Steele dossier was funded by a political entity. I already have discussed this issue in today’s previous post and I refer you to it. But for now, suffice to say that it’s a relatively minor point and doesn’t even begin to challenge the vast number of allegations in that report, not to mention the fact that we don’t even know if it’s true.

The other attempts to discredit the Nunes report go like this: the Republicans and Trump are attacking our sacred institution, the FBI! How dare they! It undermines the foundation of our entire system! The FBI’s actual behavior seems irrelevant to this argument (including those pillars of rectitude and objectivity, Strzok and Page, who are not the subject matter of the Nunes memo but whose communications certainly reflected negatively on the trustworthiness and objectivity of the FBI and the DOJ).

The MSM and the Democrats are good at what they do. They are united. They are relentless. And they reach a large number of people.

I don’t know which “narrative” will prevail among the majority of people, however. The days when institutions such as the FBI and the DOJ (and the IRS and the press, for that matter) were automatically trusted are long past. “Attacks” on those institutions may seem rather well-justified to an awful lot of people.

Me? My concern is whether the charges are justified, not whether an institution is being attacked or not. And it doesn’t matter which side is doing the attacking.

33 Responses to “The tactics du jour”

  1. F Says:

    And don’t forget Bruce Ohr and his wife, Nellie! My god, talk about people destroying the credibility of a respected institution!

  2. Cornhead Says:

    Check out Rule 13 of the FISC Court. I predict that DOJ gets called up on a show cause motion for contempt.

  3. expat Says:

    I am getting sick of all this. How come two low-level Trump people show that Trump was colluding with Russia, but Uranium 1 and Bill’s speaking fee were nothingburgers? Doesn’t anyone think Putin had more to blackmail Clinton from her emails about Chelsea’s wedding than from Don and Jared’s meeting? Can you just imagine what Hillary said about women when she was trying to make the seating plan? Putin has gotten just what he wanted–to make the US look dysfunctional.

    Heather McDonald has a post the the Corner at NRO talking about Rosenstein’s emphasis on proactive policing. He sounds like he is on our side, but somehow this whole mess has turned us into a cannibalist party. Likewise, Sessions is interested in cracking down on drugs and illegals, but we are criticizing him for not doing enough on the Steele dossier. I heard a bit from Tillerson the other day about the US starting to go after weapons that are being sent to South America and contribute to those country’s not being able to deal with the gangs sending drugs to the US. If you look at Trump’s accomplishments, most come from more behind the scenes work being carried out by his appointments. We have to keep focussed on the big stuff and tell Shiff and the MSM pundits to shut up.

    One more OT thing: My husband had a German news station on tonight during a segment on foreign events. The two main topics were America’s interest in developing mini nuclear weapons (Putin was given time to condemn us for that) and the starving Venezuelans, some of who were trying to find valuable metals in a sewage ditch in Caracas. Guess what caused the food shortages? American sanctions.

  4. M J R Says:

    I watched some California Democrat dude spar with Tucker Carlson about The Memo. This guy’s “shtick” was to badger Carlson about The Rule Of Law — and how The Memo was not released according to the Rule Of Law. (Talk about deflecting so as not to address what’s in The Memo!)

    I wanted Carlson to ram down his Democrat throat how Democrats and The Rule Of Law are polar opposites when it comes to rushing to the defense of illegal immigrants, and how his tender solicitude for The Rule Of Law is such a laughably obvious, propagandistic CROCK.

    Uncharacteristically, Carlson missed a sterling opportunity. The Democrat jerk just kept coming back on that one irrelevant, and (as far as I can judge) thoroughly fallacious point.

    Watching the Democrat deflections and obfuscations and just plain bald-faced LIES is not good for my blood pressure.

  5. Cornhead Says:

    Former CIA agent Daniel Hoffman says Steele never even went to Russia. He wrote WSJ piece that Steele was feed lies and propaganda by the Russian FSB.

  6. om Says:

    From cdrsalamanderblogspot.com

    https://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2018/02/keeping-eye-on-long-game-part-lxxii.html

    “Are you are up to speed on the huge amount of espionage they are engaged in while our FBI invests much of its intellectual capital playing political games in DC?”

    All the BS those nimrods inside the beltway were doing in service of the Democrats and Hillary while the real threats to national security are ignored.

    Oh, I forgot, Russia gate, climate change, …..are the real threats.

    Is it because doing their actual job is hard work?

  7. Yancey Ward Says:

    If things really are as they seem, the Democrats can’t prevail here. Eventually, Congress, before the Summer is here, is going to have the IG report, voluminous material the IG has gathered, and the committees are still requesting and will get material relating to the unmaskings, e-mails and texts of the principles involved in both the Clinton e-mail investigation/matter and the Trump investigation. The Nunes Memo serves one very important purpose- it forces the opposition into calling for transparency explicitly and implicitly. The next stage is going to be a push to declassify the material the memo drawn from, and the argument that this can’t be done because of security and secrecy issues is no longer tenable.

  8. Oldflyer Says:

    I know that, politically, no one dare point out that this FBI is not necessarily our friend. Ironic that the Left, which is rushing to its defense, are the from the same pool that expressed such outrage at the excesses of the Hoover regime. I suggest that the people leading the FBI in recent years are no better than Hoover, and that we do not know how deep the rot goes. We do know that FBI agents expend a lot of effort on “process” crimes. We are told that they thwart a great number of terrorist plots; but, we don’t know how many. We know of the ones that they do not thwart, of course; and we know that several of the perps were “on the radar” at some point.

    I have no more confidence in this FBI than I do in any other government bureaucracy.

  9. Otiose Says:

    This Nunes memo is seriously sensitive. One tactic minion monitors of the left are doing is deleting comments. Today on one site I had two (or three) comments deleted repeatedly. The longer one I posted three times (four if you count the first one I had to rewrite from memory). I can’t know why my posts got deleted. Was it my swing at Obama, pointing out the media outlet’s participation in Podesta’s Pied Piper strategy, or perhaps my advocating that the documents behind the memo be released?

  10. Mike in Ga Says:

    “The MSM and the Democrats are good at what they do. They are united. They are relentless. And they reach a large number of people.”

    Look what you wrote.

    When all major broadcast media is united with one of two major political parties, there is monotheism. Those who do not worship with that belief system will be marginalized, demonized, excommunicated and ultimately, imprisoned and killed.

  11. Manju Says:

    On 9/24/16, The Trump Campaign said this about Carter Page:

    “Mr. Page is not an advisor and has made no contribution to the campaign,”

    “I’ve never spoken to him, and wouldn’t recognize him if he were sitting next to me.”

    “He’s never been a part of our campaign. Period,”

    – Jason Miller.

    According to the Nunes Memo, DOJ and FBI sought the FISA warrant in question on 10/21/2016.

    If Carter Page was not part of the Trump Campaign, and if the FISA application was applied for after the Trump Campaign publicly said so, how exactly does this warrant prove that the FBI was trying to spy on the Trump Campaign via Carter Page?

  12. neo-neocon Says:

    Gee Manju, why don’t you try doing some further research?

    I think, however, you prefer to goad others into doing it for you.

    I’m being sarcastic there, in case you didn’t catch it, because I believe you may actually know the answer to your question. You certainly have the skills to find out the answer, at any rate.

    But I’ll do your homework for you. I refer you to this:

    Page served as a foreign-policy advisor to Donald Trump’s 2016 Presidential campaign. In September 2016, U.S. intelligence officials investigated alleged contacts between Page and Russian officials subject to U.S. sanctions, including Igor Sechin. After news reports began to appear describing Page’s links to Russia and Putin’s government, Page stepped down from his role in the Trump campaign.

    When someone is running for office they have a ton of advisors. Most of what they do is give advice on certain policy areas with which they are familiar and are expert. Much of that advice is given through papers. Some of them never even meet the candidate. That Trump communications director you quote says that Trump never met Page, and it’s highly likely he never did, because no one has ever alleged that Page was a higher-up who had direct contact with Trump.

    And by the way, that denial from Miller was issued after it was already in the news that “Page was being investigated for allegedly meeting with Kremlin officials.”

    Here are more denials from that same article:

    Presented with a statement from a campaign spokesperson in August that characterized Page as an “informal adviser,” albeit one who “does not speak for Mr. Trump or the campaign,” Miller doubled down.

    “He’s never been a part of our campaign. Period,” he said.

    Another spokesman, Steven Cheung, said Page “has no role” in the campaign.

    “We are not aware of any of his activities, past or present,” Cheung added

    In fact, all we know about Page’s involvement with the Trump campaign is that Page was initially named as a foreign-policy advisor back in March of 2016, along with quite a few others. He quit after he was already being investigated, although it happened to have been prior to the FISA application from the FBI.

    Now, back to Wiki:

    Shortly after Page resigned from the Trump campaign, the Federal Bureau of Investigation obtained a warrant from the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to surveil Page’s communications. To issue the warrant, a federal judge concluded there was probable cause to believe that Page was a foreign agent knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence for the Russian government. Page was the only American who was directly targeted with a FISA warrant in 2016 as part of the Russia probe. The 90-day warrant was repeatedly renewed.

    In January 2017, Page’s name appeared repeatedly in a leaked contract intelligence dossier containing unsubstantiated allegations of close interactions between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.

    Have you got the timeline now? Let me help you out once again:

    Around March of 2016 he is named an “informal advisor” in foreign policy, along with a number of other people.

    For the next few months he either does no work for them or a small amount of work for them that apparently does not involve any meetings with the candidate.

    Sometime late that summer or in September, while Page is still at least nominally a Trump foreign policy advisor, he starts being investigated regarding his Russia ties and specifically ties between the Trump campaign and Russia though Page. That news is reported in September of 2016:

    U.S. intelligence officials are looking into a Donald Trump foreign policy adviser over possible ties to Russia, Yahoo News reported Friday.

    Carter Page, who was included on a list of foreign policy advisers that the GOP presidential nominee released in March, is a former banker with Merrill Lynch based in Moscow and has extensive business ties in Russia.

    Intelligence officials are reportedly probing whether Page has opened up private lines of communications with top Russian officials, including talks about potentially lifting economic sanctions.

    According to multiple sources briefed on the issue, Page’s Russian dealings have been the topic of congressional briefings.

    Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) reportedly wrote a letter to FBI Director James Comey after one of the briefings this summer about reports of Page meeting with “high ranking sanctioned individuals” in Moscow, asking for an investigation and calling the meetings evidence of “significant and disturbing ties” between the campaign and the Kremlin.

    Top Democrats in the House have similarly asked the FBI to investigate whether any Trump aides played a hand in the widespread hack of Democratic groups, largely attributed to Russia.

    Shortly after that, Page resigns from any affiliation he had with the Trump campaign, the Trump campaign denies any meaningful ties with him, and the FBI goes for the FISA application to spy on Page. Later, shortly after Trump is elected, Page’s name:

    …appeared repeatedly in a leaked contract intelligence dossier [that’s the Steele dossier, I believe, the one the FBI had earlier and used to get the FISA warrant the previous October] containing unsubstantiated allegations of close interactions between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin. By the end of January 2017, Page was under investigation by the FBI, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network. He has denied wrongdoing.

    They were trying to nail Trump through Page, obviously. It’s there in black and white. They were investigating not only his past dealings but his future dealings. Perhaps they thought that he was still working for Trump, just not officially. Or they hoped he would lead them to someone who was working for Trump. And they kept hoping and hoping long enough to renew that application three more times.

    But they didn’t really give a rat’s patootie about Page. It was Trump they were after.

    You don’t give a rat’s patootie about Page, either, do you? Nor about facts.

  13. Pouncer Says:

    If anyone tries to tell me that ‘the memo’ damages the honorable reputation of the FBI, I will ask what effect was had from the prosecution of Cliven Bundy.

  14. AesopFan Says:

    neo-neocon Says:
    February 3rd, 2018 at 11:25 pm
    Gee Manju, why don’t you try doing some further research?

    I think, however, you prefer to goad others into doing it for you.
    * * *
    At least we all benefit from your doing it, because I’m having trouble keeping all the details straight, especially the known knowns, the speculated maybe-knowns, and the known unknowns.

  15. AesopFan Says:

    Otiose Says:
    February 3rd, 2018 at 8:31 pm
    This Nunes memo is seriously sensitive. One tactic minion monitors of the left are doing is deleting comments. Today on one site I had two (or three) comments deleted repeatedly.
    * * *
    This is standard MO, and it seems to me is a deliberate tactic in aid of their long-running strategy to keep LIVs not only less-informed, but positively mis-informed, while (sometimes) maintaining a pretense of impartiality and transparency — how many other people on the boards know that you (and other contrarians) have been deleted?
    It’s the same tactic as shadow banning on Twitter, and whatever the equivalent is on FB and Google.
    IMO, this will back-fire big-time with actual moderates and independents, as was the case in the election when “Hillary can’t lose” generated such wide-spread shock because the MSM kept suppressing or down-playing (down-splaining?) the revelations about her email server and other malfeasance.
    Best historical case that I know of is the end of WW1, when the Germans discovered to their great surprise that all of the “winning” their armies had been doing wasn’t so, which fed into the meme of political back-stabbing and opened the door to He-who-must-not-be-named-lest-the-post-go-Godwin.
    Of course, there were also the media lies about Vietnam, and the Communists’ continuous lies to the Russians, but the Versailles Treaty is a more definitive time-point.

  16. AesopFan Says:

    Cornhead Says:
    February 3rd, 2018 at 6:14 pm
    Former CIA agent Daniel Hoffman says Steele never even went to Russia. He wrote WSJ piece that Steele was feed lies and propaganda by the Russian FSB.
    * * *
    Hoffman, in 2017,, soon after he retired, said the same thing then.
    https://www.npr.org/2017/08/08/542106975/cover-lifted-a-cia-spy-offers-his-take-on-trump-and-russia
    “Hoffman’s long experience observing Russian spies at work leads to a surprising conclusion about one of the most sensational revelations from last year’s election: that Trump Tower meeting in June 2016. The one attended by Donald Trump Jr., Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner, campaign manager Paul Manafort — and Kremlin-connected Russians.

    “To me,” Hoffman says, “it pointed to a discoverable influence operation rather than some effort to establish a clandestine channel for collusion.”

    Both in NPR’s interview and in an op-ed for The New York Times, Hoffman argues the meeting was meant to be discovered, that Putin deliberately left a trail of breadcrumbs from Trump Tower to the Kremlin.

    And that the objective was simple: to soil the U.S. political process and undermine the credibility of the 2016 election.

    Some other intelligence veterans disagree. But that is what former CIA station chief Daniel Hoffman sees.

    Here’s what he doesn’t see: “Overall I haven’t seen any evidence of anyone actually colluding with the Russians,” Hoffman says, “of Russian intelligence colluding with a campaign to cause harm to another.”

    Instead, Hoffman believes the Trump Tower meeting is significant mostly for what it reveals about Russia’s motives and tactics.

    And what of the unverified set of allegations about Trump-Russia contacts, compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele? Hoffman suggests the intelligence apparatus may have been at work there, too.

    “One possible explanation for the content was that Russian intelligence was aware that the dossier was being written,” says Hoffman. “And that they fed not only true information — but untrue information as well. Which is their regular modus operandi for covert influence operations.”

    In other words, Hoffman believes Russia may have seeded the Steele dossier.

    But when asked the bottom-line question — Does he believe Russia has dirt on President Trump? — Hoffman pauses before answering. An uncharacteristically lengthy pause.

    “The way I would answer that question is that Russian intelligence collects information on their own people,” he says. “They focus to a great extent on us at the American Embassy, to collect information on us. They seek to understand [as they say in Russian] what makes us breathe.

    “That’s really what they want to know.”

    So would Russian spies seek to understand what makes Trump breathe, what makes him tick?

    Sure, says Hoffman. Though he insists he doesn’t know whether Russia has compromising material on Trump. The president himself has dismissed the dossier as “fake news.”

    Meanwhile Hoffman, who left the CIA in February, sees no sign Russian spy efforts are slowing. Every American official is a target, he says.”

  17. AesopFan Says:

    As an entry in the “fake but accurate” category, Politico is working hard to win (RTWT for an excellent course in deflection and damage-control).

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/01/russia-steele-dossier-democrats-republicans-216921

    “The dossier may be worse than just uncorroborated. In an op-ed this week, former CIA officer Daniel Hoffman wrote that the near misses in the dossier bore the mark of Russian disinformation, “accurate basic facts provided as bait to convince Americans that the fake info is real.” That’s the same intriguing theory floated by the British journalist Ben McIntyre, an expert on intelligence who has described the idea like so: “They set up an ex-MI6 guy, Chris Steele, who is a patsy, effectively, and they feed him some stuff that’s true, and some stuff that isn’t true, and some stuff that is demonstrably wrong.”

    Trump’s associates are even using the near misses in the dossier to dismiss real evidence of their involvement with Russia.

    Ultimately, the Democrats’ reluctance to own this oppo research has created an opportunity for Republicans to attack the dossier as a stand-in for the entire special counsel investigation.”

  18. AesopFan Says:

    This looks like the original WaPo article Cornhead referred to above.
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-steele-dossier-fits-the-kremlin-playbook-1517175564?shareToken=st7b055d0a68394dcf9cf925b567aab53c&reflink=article_email_share

    “The pattern of such Russian operations is to sprinkle false information, designed to degrade the enemy’s social and political infrastructure, among true statements that enhance the veracity of the overall report. In 2009 the FSB wanted to soil the reputation of a U.S. diplomat responsible for reporting on human rights. So it fabricated a video, in part using real surveillance footage of the diplomat, that purported to show him with a prostitute in Moscow.

    Similarly, some of the information in the Steele dossier is true. Carter Page, a Trump campaign adviser, did travel to Moscow in the summer of 2016. But he insists that the secret meetings the dossier alleges never happened. This is exactly what you’d expect if the Kremlin followed its usual playbook: accurate basic facts provided as bait to convince Americans that the fake info is real.

    Mr. Trump repeatedly criticized the “rigged system” working against his campaign, but his victories in the primaries and the general election blunted this narrative. The FSB probably believed that Mrs. Clinton would win the election, and that once the dossier became public Mr. Trump would vociferously argue that she had played dirty. Thus the dossier would have had dual benefits: The salacious portions would undermine the Republican candidate, and then his attacks would delegitimize the eventual Democratic administration. The 2017 ODNI report says that pro-Russia bloggers even prepared an election-night Twitter campaign, #DemocracyRIP, designed to question the election’s validity after a Clinton victory.

    That is not how events unfolded, but Russia still appears to have enjoyed a major return on its 2016 election meddling. For more than a year, Democrats and Republicans have traded charges of collusion, obstruction and conspiracy. Rather than serve Russia’s interests with increasingly intense partisan bickering, everyone should focus on the common enemy: Mr. Putin and his nefarious attempt to undermine America’s political system.”

  19. Yankee Says:

    So I’ve been watching NBC Nightly News, and now Saturday Night Live, and both shows are treating this memo as a big joke. Lester Holt and the other reporters emphasized any possible faults with it, and completely missed the essential point: the increasing likelihood of political corruption within the FBI and Justice Dept in order to sabotage Mr. Trump.

    Aren’t there any adults at NBC News? Is there at least one producer who can sit down and think that maybe there is something there? They have a golden opportunity for a huge story that would benefit their network. It would just mean finding fault with Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, the source of this political corruption.

    As for SNL, it’s just the same old jokes about Trump being stupid and crazy. Why not something new for a change? Maybe the audience would like it more.

  20. Yancey Ward Says:

    Manju,

    Page was treated as a Title 1 target- the FBI basically claimed in the application that it was more likely than not that Page was an actual Russian spy. As such, even though the warrant was issued in October 2016, after Page was no longer part of the Trump Campaign, the warrant allows the the government to open and read all of the communications Page made prior to October 2016 that is stored by the NSA. Additionally, any contacts that Page had that are revealed by the search through the NSA database can also be search for their communications stored by the NSA, both before and after October 2016.

    In other words, Page was never really the target- he was the nose under the tent that allowed the FBI to legally search the communications of the people Page had contact with during his actual tenure as part of the campaign. The missing details will eventually be learned- specifically, how was the Page warrant used. We are going to learn this because not only will Congress subpoena this, but Page is suing, and discovery will take place at some point, either in a civil suit, or if Page is ever charged by Mueller, which looks almost certain to not happen now.

  21. AesopFan Says:

    “My concern is whether the charges are justified, not whether an institution is being attacked or not. And it doesn’t matter which side is doing the attacking.” – Neo

    This is where we all should be, but obviously are not.
    PowerLineBlog’s Week in Pictures had a couple of good take-downs of the Dems’ and Agencies’ response to The Memo.

    Fox adds a couple of interesting views.
    The first is a parallel in British and American politics.
    The second is by an American on “how did we get here?” and how can we get out.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/03/steve-hilton-yes-there-is-deep-state-and-tony-blair-warned-me-about-it.html

    “As part of that process I spoke to a wide range of people who had worked inside government in various roles, to get their insights and advice. That included – in a somewhat clandestine way, given the fact that he was once a political opponent – former Labour Party Prime Minister Tony Blair. It was a fascinating conversation. Whatever you might think of his record, there’s no question that Blair is an incredibly impressive political figure with enormous experience.

    Blair was candid and thoughtful, and gave us a brilliant primer on what he’d learned about making the machinery of government work. But there was one thing above all that stood out from our conversation: his blunt warning about the administrative state and the attitude any incoming government would face from the permanent bureaucracy.

    “You cannot underestimate how much they believe it’s their job to actually run the country and to resist the changes put forward by people they dismiss as ‘here today, gone tomorrow’ politicians,” Blair said. “They genuinely see themselves as the true guardians of the national interest, and think that their job is simply to wear you down and wait you out.”

    That, in a nutshell, is the Deep State. And Blair’s warning was prophetic, as I discovered even before Cameron took office as prime minister.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/03/trump-is-right-and-his-campaign-were-victims-political-attack-by-justice-department-and-fbi.html

    “The memo by Republicans on the committee summarizes raw intelligence confirming that formerly steady and professional staff of the Justice Department and FBI were motivated to act against candidate Trump by personal antipathy toward him, media-stoked fear of him, and perhaps personal loyalties to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. As a result, they traded their integrity for betrayal of democratic principles and our Constitution.

    Ironically, I have interacted with some of these professionals during the past two decades, and never perceived them as political. But something overcame them, grabbed them and turned them into something else during the 2016 election campaign. They devolved into political animals.
    ..
    The House Intelligence Committee memo shows that federal officials appear to have violated the public trust and their oaths of office, subverting laws for political outcomes. This should never happen.

    Years ago I ran the State Department bureau focused on public corruption, rule of law and enforcement operations around the world. We had programs in 70 countries. Our chief objective was to teach struggling nations how to abide the “rule of law” and avoid public corruption.

    Yet here we are, watching laws perverted for political ends in our own country, watching the heart of who we are shredded by people sworn to uphold our laws.

    Clearly, Friday’s revelations put into the shadow all other inquires, disaffections, investigations and issues of concern regarding the 2016 presidential election. They are a trumpet call for accountability at the Justice Department and FBI.”

  22. Barry Meislin Says:

    There is no reason to believe anything that the MSM reports, implies or claims. (Or, for that matter, anything claimed by any member of the former Obama administration.)

    Unfortunately.

    It’s been like that for quite a while now.

    (Unfortunately, since some of what the MSM reports, implies or claims might just happen to be true.)

    But they have chosen their side.

    And they have chosen their enemy.

    And at the moment they are in Kamikaze mode: self-destruction in the name of perceived self-defense (having worked themselves up, since Trump’s election, to an ecstasy of paranoia—though this is nothing new: to get their candidate elected, they sure did a number on Romney in 2012, as well as on Palin in 2008).

    Yes, their perceived self-defense, combined with their hysteria to bring down the government of the US is unfortunate; and, though it should, it will not prompt any of them to ask themselves what the #&*% they are doing, prompt any of them to wonder how they got to where they are, prompt any of them to do any soul searching; prompt any of them to take a step back and ask themselves if they might be wrong; prompt any of them to admit an ounce of humility.

    After all, there is a war to win.

    And so the lies, the misrepresentations and the fakery can only continue. Must continue.

    Their collective backs are up and the country be damned; for they have done their best to convince themselves that they are doing all this for the sake of the country(!)

    Indeed, they may have bought their copies of “1984”, but they’ve been studying it more as a user manual than as a warning. As prescriptive rather than proscriptive.

    And so it will be “banzai” to the end.

    Unfortunately. For all concerned.

    Still, it is a fight that must be taken up.

    Even as Lincoln’s extraordinary words (in his second SOTU message) must always be remembered.

  23. Manju Says:

    Neo,

    I understand that Carter Page was indeed an advisor to the Trump Campaign when they said; “He’s never been a part of our campaign. Period.”

    I, like you, heard Trump say so earlier.

    And I assume after he was caught going to Moscow in July 2016 to give a very suspicious and prestigious commencement address where he admitted to meeting top Russian officials, he was indeed a Trump Advisor.*

    *This is not explicitly laid out in your timeline, but it’s hinted at early

    I also assume that this trip, along with the fact that he was named by Trump himself as an advisor, triggered the FBI’s interest in seeking a FISA warrant.

    So he was indeed part of the Trump campaign when they initially sought the warrant, but for good reason IMO. However, the FBI’s initial interest in Page began before Trump even announced his Presidential Bid.*

    *Not mentioned in your timeline.

    But I also assume that Carter Page was no longer part of the Trump campaign when the FISA warrant was approved and that everyone know he was persona non grata at that point.

    So how exactly does this warrant prove that the FBI was trying to spy on the Trump Campaign via Carter Page?

  24. Gary D. G. Says:

    @Manju,
    thank you for the entertainment, but when the prod runs out of battery and the point of the goad becomes dulled, it just turns into a Dean Martin/Jerry Lewis farce

  25. Yankee Says:

    We’re talking about the tactics in politics and media, but there is another point to be made. There has been an enormous waste of time and money in this farce. Remember back in March of 2017 when President Trump tweeted about being “wire-tapped”, and how everyone laughed at him then?

    The unfortunate thing for the country is that this may go on and on and on, because the political Left has too much invested in the narrative, and cannot bear to admit that first the Clintons, and now Mr. Obama were corrupt.

    Notice who has been silent about the Nunes memo. There has been nothing from Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. And now James Comey has sent out a number of pathetic tweets. Knowing what we do now, does anyone want Comey back as FBI Director?

    But Donald Trump had to go and spoil everything by getting elected.

  26. om Says:

    Who knew that some FBI special agents were snowflakes?

    Feel the pain, rail at the injustice, scream at the sky! Oh, they already did all that, but they always will have the NY Times…

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/opinion/leaving-the-fbi.html

  27. neo-neocon Says:

    Manju:

    I hate to be rude, but are you really that stupid?

    Do you really not see that your question has already been answered in my earlier response to you as well as Yancey Ward’s response to you here?

    Or does it just amuse you no end to make people jump through hoops in response to your seeming stupidity?

  28. neo-neocon Says:

    Manju:

    An especially relevant quote from my previous comment to you, taken from various sources [emphasis mine]:

    Shortly after Page resigned from the Trump campaign, the Federal Bureau of Investigation obtained a warrant from the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to surveil Page’s communications. To issue the warrant, a federal judge concluded there was probable cause to believe that Page was a foreign agent knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence for the Russian government. Page was the only American who was directly targeted with a FISA warrant in 2016 as part of the Russia probe. The 90-day warrant was repeatedly renewed.

    In January 2017, Page’s name appeared repeatedly in a leaked contract intelligence dossier containing unsubstantiated allegations of close interactions between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin.

    That was the same dossier that was given to the FISA court earlier to justify the warrants.

  29. Lorenz Gude Says:

    This all reminds me of that time during Watergate where people became increasingly convinced that the DNC had ben burgled for political purposes. Of course it is theMSM and the establishment defending the Democrats this time around and it will take more than this memo to move public opinion. But I think Nunes knows that – he has been picking away at these people since Fast and Furious – andI think he is pretty good at playing a long game. Drip. Drip. Drip. Of course Trump may be guilty of something and get urfed out. . And Hillary and Obama may be guilty of something and go to jail. Or any of the other logical possibilities. But I don’t think we have seen the last of this by a long chalk.

  30. huxley Says:

    I am impressed by the Democratic squid ink spraying all over the Nunes Memo.

    I talked to a cafe friend today, a black Saudi grad student at U New Mexico, and he was all agog how the memo was undermining the Mueller investigation.

    I assured him the issues were separate. Trump could still be found in cahoots with the Russians, while the Nunes Memo demonstrated a different cahoots involving the FBI and FISA court. (Obviously I didn’t use the term “cahoots.”)

    He accepted what I said though he seemed a bit confused.

  31. AesopFan Says:

    Yankee Says:
    February 4th, 2018 at 12:31 am

    It would just mean finding fault with Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton, the source of this political corruption.

    Yankee Says:
    February 4th, 2018 at 9:37 am

    The unfortunate thing for the country is that this may go on and on and on, because the political Left has too much invested in the narrative, and cannot bear to admit that first the Clintons, and now Mr. Obama were corrupt.

    * * *
    You answered your own question, of course.
    Admitting that the Sacred Pantheon might have feet of clay would be tantamount, in their eyes, to pulling on white robes with pointy tops.

  32. Ymar Sakar Says:

    Lorenz Gude Says:
    February 4th, 2018 at 9:43 pm
    This all reminds me of that time during Watergate where people became increasingly convinced that the DNC had ben burgled for political purposes. Of course it is theMSM and the establishment defending the Democrats this time around and it will take more than this memo to move public opinion.

    It was, except not by Nixon’s direct orders. The sub director of the FBI did a coup de tat using the MSm puppets as manipulated puppets who manipulated the American public into another con, same thing Cronkite did.

    For those that haven’t connected the dots, Nixon refused to promote the sub director of the FBI to the spot Hoover was in.

    The FBI was using COINTELPRO in DC and on various US Presidents as well as Martin Luther King and other sorts. This is why Nixon had an enemy’s list and was slightly paranoid, although not paranoid enough to realize his White House recording system wasn’t being controlled by him.

    The FBI was in charge of selecting which members to go rummage around the Democrat HQ. The FBI already knew what the Dems were doing.

    The sub director was also Deep Throat, the MSM’s “source”. The sub director was also the one responsible for giving orders to illegally raid Ayers’ home and others, resulting in their acquital and double jeopardy immunity. Meaning, this is the obverse or reverse of a sting and entrapment they did with Nixon. The very action against Ayers made him immune and all the evidence against him nullified.

    The American people fell for that con, now they are self righteously proud enough to think they have gotten better due to Trum.

    USA is being harvested as human livestock by the Deep State and also led around the nose by DC and the Leftist alliance. Same as before, same as now, same as the future. There’s your Hope and Change.

  33. GRA Says:

    Elite Dems, elite MSM, FBI = Deep State.

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