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  1. That phony smile at the end is scary, like something kicked in telling him he may have overdone the anger and he needed to reassure th audience that he was friendly to them. He really is a master at dosing out pseudo emotions. I wonder whether he ever experiences true ones.

  2. They are blind to the compulsion that is driving them down a path which is almost certain their destruction.

  3. Notice that while he’s pretending to accept responsibility for “the mess” he is also refusing to entertain the possibility that he (or his party) has any such responsibility. As for silencing those who “made the mess” it has not occurred to him that he might have anything to learn from those who “made the mess” and that letting them talk — and listening to what they say — might help keep him from making a bigger one. One of the most frightening things about this man is that in his youth, inexperience, and arrogance, he does not know what he does not know. The incompetent who is certain of his competence is the most dangerous incompetent of all.

    Oh we are all in such deep trouble.

  4. Take heart, Mrs Whatsit. Obama is not getting away with this. More and more people are realizing that he is not who they thought theyvoted for.

    Obama’s numbers are dropping rapidly and I don’t believe his Saul Alinsky routines are going to work for him now that he is in the White House.

  5. From the campaign, another attempt to silence and intimidate free speech (unless you had the wealth to not be concerned about paying for legal counsel):
    Andy McCarthy, in NRO, Oct 1 2008:

    I’ll be blunt: Sen. Obama and his supporters despise free expression, the bedrock of American self-determinism and hence American democracy. What’s more, like garden-variety despots, they see law not as a means of ensuring liberty but as a tool to intimidate and quell dissent.
    […]
    All the while, in St. Louis, local law-enforcement authorities, dominated by Democrat-party activists, were threatening libel prosecutions against Obama’s political opposition. County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, abetted by a local sheriff and encouraged by the Obama campaign, warned that members of the public who dared speak out against Obama during the campaign’s crucial final weeks would face criminal libel charges – if, in the judgment of these conflicted officials, such criticism of their champion was “false.”

    At the link, McCarthy documents other examples of the Obama Campaign using political or legal muscle to attempt to intimidate regular American citizens into silence. Such is disgusting, is un-Presidential (is the opposite of moral leadership), and is un-American.

  6. huxley,

    We may be learning about controversial domestic policies, but we have no idea what he is doing behind the scene on foreign affairs and other security issues. That has always been my biggest concern.

  7. I think the colloquial expression from your up bringing would be “not for nothin”, seeing as you are a N.Y.r or original origin. But you put it so nicely as is.

    Your insight as a people observer is once again right on the mark.

    Just one thing. You are too nice when you give BOH, the benefit of the doubt, “either/or”. Trust your instinct, he is what you see, no denying it.

    Have you noticed the little “ditty bop” in his walk each time he struts up to the podium or enters a room! As if he has a basketball in his hand and he is absolutely positive that he is going to make a three pointer from the foul.

    This is also call the “Jailhouse strut” or the “Bronx shuffle” in N.Y., and probably something else in Chicago. It is used by “wanna be’s” and the not so confident interns usually at the county level but lost by the time they get to ‘REAL” prison, because by then they have had the stuffing knocked out of them.

    Obama’s turn is just around the corner, lets see if after 4 years he hasn’t lost that bop, and it has been replaced by the more ” strategically placed corn cob effect”

  8. expat: To be sure, I am concerned too. I expect something major to blow up in foreign affairs within 6-12 months.

    I’m also concerned about the damage that Obama will do to the courts with his appointments.

    But there is little we can do about all that directly. In the meantime, we can take heart that Obama is step-by-step marginalizing himself and cheer that on.

  9. gcotharn: If you follow the links in my post to some of my other writings on the subject, you’ll see some discussion of that very issue.

  10. gary: It may not be apparent, but my “either-or” is more of a rhetorical device at this point. I believe he is not ignorant; I believe he is contemptuous. He is, as many keep pointing out, not a stupid man.

    But I know that he is not a student of American history, so by “ignorant” I also mean he doesn’t value the tradition of freedom of speech and understand its historical importance in this country, and how dear it is to most Americans.

  11. I just saw something on a CNN caption (Didn’t have the sound on): WH says Limbaugh may be skating on “thin ice”

  12. as to others who said he is not that way… and admonished for it because he didnt cause violence from day one to meet some movie fantasy ofhow it works.

    When Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-MO) faced his constituents in south St. Louis County yesterday, Obamunist goons were on hand to back him up. About 1,000 protesters against healthcare nazification were locked out of the meeting, even as union thugs from the SEIU were allowed inside.

    Outside the meeting, six arrests followed assaults on patriots. STLtoday reports:

    Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow flags with “Don’t tread on me” printed on them. He spoke to the Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John’s Mercy Medical Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur against him before the attack.
    “It just seems there’s no freedom of speech without being attacked,” he said.

    ok… so now we have union men beating up on the opposition like the SA..

    wasnt this what everyone said wasnt going to happen?

    you aint seen nothing yet…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBOgPCh9w

    Union thugs from the SEIU were also deployed at a town hall meeting in Tampa:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kxaGfClPws

    funny thing, if you know your history, you realize that this behavior has been with the left and the democrats for a long time.

    is it really that different than landry parish?

    the message is the same as it was in germany.

    its the same as it was in Landry parish lousiana (from wiki)

    As the following examples indicate, over 2,000 persons were killed, wounded and otherwise injured in Louisiana within a few weeks prior to the Presidential election of November 1868. Although St. Landry Parish had a registered Republican majority of 1,071, after the murders, no Republicans voted in the fall elections. White Democrats cast the full vote of the parish for Grant’s opponent. The KKK killed and wounded more than 200 black Republicans, hunting and chasing them through the woods. Thirteen captives were taken from jail and shot; a half-buried pile of 25 bodies was found in the woods. The KKK made people vote Democratic and gave them certificates of the fact

  13. Yes,the “Don’t tread on Me” flags, though going back to the US Revolution, seem to be incresingly associated with the Tea Party, right, etc. I went to one of the Tea Party events on 4 July and saw those as well as the “Come and Take It” flag with the Cannon of Gonzales associated with the Texas Revolution.

    http://www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/batgon.htm

  14. I am wondering just who he is referring to? as to the “ones who caused this” Who? all who voted for Bush? all Republicans? Does he think the tea parties are only republicans?
    He thinks he is in a campaign and can alienate the other side like he always has, when that other side is over half of the country he is on very dangerous ground, this isn’t a campaign anymore.

  15. Obama is not getting away with this

    yes he is…

    if he wasnt, we wouldnt be watching that video

    methods are not what you all should have been looking and arguing about, goals is the thing. he has the same goals, therefore, he will choose he methods that work for this time, not last time.

    no matter how close we get to possibly stopping this, an external force can do something, and all bets would be off that moment. (that is a despot will help a despot, no?)

    ALSO, you guys never paid attention to what i said about signing statements.

    tonight, he could write a signing statement that says all people that disagree with his mandates go into internment.

    there is no limitation on them that would work within a time frame that matters. that is the action is fast and unlimited while the remedy is slow and laborious. hard to write writs when ya already shipped off, no?

    Executive Order No. 9066, February 19, 1942
    sorry this is long, fdr wrote it
    Whereas the successful prosecution of the war requires every possible protection against espionage and against sabotage to national-defense material, national-defense premises, and national-defense utilities as defined in Section 4, Act of April 20, 1918, 40 Stat. 533, as amended by the Act of November 30, 1940, 54 Stat. 1220, and the Act of August 21, 1941, 55 Stat. 655 (U.S.C., Title 50, Sec. 104);

    Now, therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President of the United States, and Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy, I hereby authorize and direct the Secretary of War, and the Military Commanders whom he may from time to time designate, whenever he or any designated Commander deems such action necessary or desirable, to prescribe military areas in such places and of such extent as he or the appropriate Military Commander may determine, from which any or all persons may be excluded, and with respect to which, the right of any person to enter, remain in, or leave shall be subject to whatever restrictions the Secretary of War or the appropriate Military Commander may impose in his discretion.

    The Secretary of War is hereby authorized to provide for residents of any such area who are excluded therefrom, such transportation, food, shelter, and other accommodations as may be necessary, in the judgment of the Secretary of War or the said Military Commander, and until other arrangements are made, to accomplish the purpose of this order. The designation of military areas in any region or locality shall supersede designations of prohibited and restricted areas by the Attorney General under the Proclamations of December 7 and 8, 1941, and shall supersede the responsibility and authority of the Attorney General under the said Proclamations in respect of such prohibited and restricted areas.

    I hereby further authorize and direct the Secretary of War and the said Military Commanders to take such other steps as he or the appropriate Military Commander may deem advisable to enforce compliance with the restrictions applicable to each Military area hereinabove authorized to be designated, including the use of Federal troops and other Federal Agencies, with authority to accept assistance of state and local agencies.

    [some cut out for size]

    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    so its game set match tomorrow if he decides…

    however such a move while possible is not as pragmatic as other moves. so they will be tried first.

    even if that is tried, all someone external has to do is start a hot war, and that attempt is reversed due to the situation. (like kim jong takes a grab at south korea when obama just did a bit of work over there?)

    most people never see checkmate and know it till their king falls. then they spend a long time trying to figure out the steps.

    the question is it checkmate in 3 or 10, and is it unavoidable. given how slow everyone is on the uptake…

  16. Artfldgr said “the question is it checkmate in 3 or 10, and is it unavoidable. given how slow everyone is on the uptake…”

    Well, you claimed not to long ago we were passed the Event Horizon….

  17. Thanks, Huxley, I appreciate the encouragement. I was going to say that I was actually feeling a little encouraged — because I do agree with you that the mask is slipping and more and more Americans are realizing who they elected — but then I read the account below of an unprovoked attack by SEIU thugs on Kenneth Gladney, a black man who had the temerity to oeacefully hand out flags with a conservative message after Russ Carnahan’s Town Hall meeting Thursday night. Gladney was called a racial slur by one of the thugs and beaten and kicked by three others. Gladney was taken to an emergency room and three of the attackers were arrested. This was followed by a statement from Carnahan himself blaming GLADNEY for being attacked and calling him a “disrupter.” Did you read any coverage of this in a mainstream newspaper today? I didn’t. Here’s an account by an observer, with a link to an article with a letter from Gladney’s attorney.
    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/seiu-thugs-teach-protestors-the-chicago-way-of-politics/

    Only 200 days in and Americans are already being beaten by racist thugs for exercising their Constitutional freedom of speech. Remind me again why I should feel encouraged?

  18. Trash talk from a man who thinks he is playing a basketball game. He looks more like a macho punk than a polished leader.

    I must admit, though, that the White House snitch thing is pretty creepy.

  19. This man just isn’t presidential…he still acts and sounds like a Chicago politician in a campaign. He’s a snarly, vicious narcissist. I am SICK of his abundant use of the pronoun “I”.

    He was supposed to bring us together? I’m starting to be seriously concerned that some kind of very harmful violence is about to occur. And concerned about massive riots to follow. It’s not inconceivable that this country could be on fire in a few months.

  20. We don’t have to go back to the Federalists to see examples of the government running roughshod over the rights of the people.

    Just head back about 92 years, to 1917:

    The American Protective League was a quasi-private organization with 250,000 members in 600 cities who were sanctioned by the Wilson administration. These men carried Government Issue badges and freely conducted warrantless searches and interrogations. This organization was empowered by the U.S. Justice Department to spy on Americans for anti-government/anti war behavior. As national police, the APL checked up on people who failed to buy Liberty Bonds and spoke out against the government’s policies.

    There is indeed nothing new under the sun.

  21. Mrs Whatsit: Bull Connor won the day by using firehoses and police dogs on civil rights protesters, but his victory was the beginning of the end of segregation.

    Obama and his minions are bullying the rest of us from a position of weakness. I say it’s the beginning of their end.

  22. I R A Darth Aggie,

    There was a world war going on when Wilson did that. And when the war ended, many of those command/control programs were eliminated.

    Obama’s justification? “He won.”

  23. That video is the scariest thing I have seen yet. Arrogant doesn’t even begin to describe the man. I hope that the average American is smarter than I think he/she is and is doubting their blind worship of the man.

  24. “Don’t Tread On Me” is the Gadsden Flag. “Come And Take Them” is what King Leonidas of Sparta said at Thermopylae.

  25. Lucius: I am aware of the Spartan saying, as were many of our forefathers who has studied the classics, but “Come and Take It” is a very well known flag in Texas associated with Texas rebels refusal to surrender an almost worthless cannon to the Mexicans at the start of the Texas Revolution in Gonzales, Texas. It is commonly used in modern times in reference to the Second Amendment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_and_take_it

  26. Huxley, thanks. You are right about Bull Connor. Oh, how I hope you’re right about today, too.

  27. I think at this point we should be very wary of any man being President who has a hostile or non-existent relationshp with his own father. It means a lifetime of insecurity and false bravado.

  28. I am no poet, nor any kind of philosopher, but as it turns out, Abraham Lincoln was right:

    “Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”

    The grade’s Fail … Epic Fail. And he apparently likes his country both shaken and stirred.

  29. When the National Guard goes to war, it is a real war.

    When the guys in Brooks Brothers suits are in the streets, it’s a real revolution.

    If the public begins to understand that the Democrats are importing thugs to bust heads, the Left will be cooked.

  30. Mrs Whatsit: Obama is flying his authoritarian colors high and he will fail. Here’s a song from the civil rights days that I believe applies:

    It isn’t nice to block the doorway,
    It isn’t nice to go to jail,
    There are nicer ways to do it,
    But the nice ways always fail.
    It isn’t nice, it isn’t nice,
    You told us once, you told us twice,
    But if that is Freedom’s price,
    We don’t mind.

    — Malvina Reynolds, as sung by Judy Collins

  31. huxley,

    I can’t find that song on YouTube. Is the name of the song “It isn’t nice?”

  32. Hmmm. . . I found the song sung by someone named Heather Lev, but nothing by Judy Collins.

  33. Oh yea, aside from being a jerk its still based on that lie that republican’s lax / in tank for industry regulation caused all this… Something the media and/or anyone who can challenge him never seems interested in asking him to prove / justify / explain / et cetera… it / that narrative just gets passed on as truth…

  34. Darrell: “Also, I am worried about the applause and reaction of the crowd.”

    Actually, take another listen. I think the enthusiasm level drops noticeably from the beginning, where he says he’s president, to the end, where he says his political opponents should stop talking. I think there were even people in that crowd who weren’t comfortable with that.

    Addendum: I took my own advice and listened again. And this time it didn’t seem as noticeable as it did the first time. But I still think it was there.

    Addendum II: I listened again. Never mind.

    In any event, whatever the reaction of this particular crowd, I think this was one of the scariest, tawdriest, most unpresidential thing to come out of the mouth of a president in my lifetime. And I’m assuming (and hoping and praying and pleading) that it sends indepedents running from him in droves. I could be wrong, but I think this sort of attitude is one of the things that tends to piss off true independents. They really do like to hear all sides and whatever side they shift to (and away from) frequently determines the outcomes of elections.

    In fact, I honestly think these comments have the potential to be a turning point in his presidency. They are not just innocuous. Of course, it depends on how many people actually hear them, how much coverage they get in the mainstream media, how the independents actually do react, etc. But I think the real potential is there for people to look back and say that things were never the same afterward. The whole Skip Gates thing blew up much bigger than I expected and I think this is way more important than that as an indicator of his true self. As Neo said, when you’re among friends, you can let the mask slip more (“clinging to their guns and religion”, “[they shouldn’t] do a lotta talking”, etc.)

    All you have to do is turn down the sound to see he’s acting like an arrogant prick. You don’t even need the words. The whole thing came off as very unpresidential and very petty. He certainly doesn’t seem to understand the difference between giving a campaign rally speech and giving a speech as president of the United States, in his capacity as president of all the people. As others have pointed out, he’s way too enamored of the word “I”. “I don’t want” this and “I don’t want” that. Someone needs to tell him, “It’s not about you, buddy.” What it is about is the office he’s fulfilling and his commitment and responsibility to us. The First Amendment is not about what he wants. Somebody needs to learn him that lesson right quick.

    A comparison to his predecessor is telling. President Bush was the picture of class and grace under fire and remained a class act through his entire presdiency, including the transition. Despite some of the most vitriolic rhetoric directed against him and trying personal circumstances he never, ever claimed that his opponents need to just stop talking. He disagreed with them, and argued his case (sometimes very infrequently) but never even hinted at saying that his political opponents (especially mainstream Democrats) should simply quit talking because they lost an election (or three). In many ways, Obama is a petty, petty man – and it shows.

    Unfortunately, these comments go beyond pettiness and move dangerously close to Hugo Chavez territory. That’s the same arc Chavez followed – basically saying his opponents should shut up and get out of the way while he proceeded to do whatever the hell he pleased, whether it was consistent with the constitution or not. Like I said, I think this has the potential to be a defining moment in his presidency.

    “That video is the scariest thing I have seen yet. Arrogant doesn’t even begin to describe the man. I hope that the average American is smarter than I think he/she is and is doubting their blind worship of the man.

    I generally trust the American people’s judgment. I will admit that after Obama was elected my trust wavered as much as it ever has. Electing him made very little sense and it made me wonder if I was wrong all along (or if maybe the country had really changed for the worse some time in my lifetime). But now, I think my basic trust is in the process of being redeemed. There’s still fire in the belly of Americans, Democrat and Repulican, and none of the above, to keep the country on the path of success and freedom that our forefathers pointed it along. Unlike Barabara Boxer, I’m pleased to see people in Brooks Brothers suits out there and pleased to see all the other stirrings going on. People aren’t going to take this lying down. The silent majority is coming back awake. The Democrats, and especially the “progressives”, thought that the election meant that that concept was dead, but they were and are wrong. And I hope they get a smacking at the polls in 2010 that firmly reinforces that lesson.

    P.S. Here’s my backhanded compliment to Artfldgr. As I was writing this post, I began to wonder if it was too long or way too long. I guess you all will have to be the judge of that. But anyway, as a regular reader of this site and sometime commenter, I was reminded of Artfldgr. I know the length and frequency of his posts has been controversial at times and I confess that as a general rule my usual practice has been to skip all his posts simply due to the length. There might be good stuff in there but I simply don’t have the time to get out the pickaxe and go through it all. So anyway, due to vacation and work my frequency of reading neo-neocon had fallen off a bit but it seems to me since I’ve been reading it more regularly again that Artfldgr’s posts, many times, are noticeably short and sweeter than I remember. So congratualtions on that. It does make a difference. I don’t automatically skip all of them any more. Just the really long ones. As anybody who wants to can skip this one. I do hope there are some bits worth reading, though. Like some other posts I’ve written on Obama, what I thought would be short and sweet turned out not to be. (Also, I hope the strike through works. If it not, the post will be a little weird. It was a genuine stream of consciousness thing.)

  35. MikeLL: Yes, the song is “It isn’t nice” written by Malvina Reynolds with a link under Judy Collins to the Amazon MP3 page where you can preview the song.

    I looked for a decent version on YouTube but all I found was the Heather Lev’s rather insipid rendering.

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  37. I went to youtube and watched some Mussoline speeches. Our Leader makes certain similar gestures, such as the head-preen.

    One or two skirmishes on Facebook this morning with “friends” who were screeching the Party-line. In the interests of reporting disinformation, it seems that the facts gas hit $4/gal last year and Bush lied, people died are convincing rebuttals.

  38. I was pointing out to people months ago, that this guy is not Hitler; he is Mussolini. The jutting, self righteous chin; the narcissism; the sense of infallibility…..and the essential and basic lack of intellect – but an inability to realize it due to immense arrogance

  39. Yeah, that face-pull right smiley at the end of this segment is either hysterically funny or nearly terrifying. Stay awake. Sleep in shifts. :\ 🙂

  40. Oops. Move the word “right” one words to the right in my prior post. Should read “…that face-pull smiley right at the end…”

  41. As someone else commented on another thread here today (given the usual playbook of the Hard Left) one of the next things we might expect to be coming down the pike pretty soon is some sort of violent incident, staged by the Left–I’m sure that Obama & Co. will make sure that their fingerprints aren’t on this–to justify cracking down on all of Obama’s suddenly emergent enemies; enemies who Obama & Co. and DHS have already labeled as “Nazis,” “Domestic Terrorists,” “Haters,” “Mobs”and “Disruptors”; this last pejorative sort of reminds me of the term “wreckers,” that was such a favorite of the Communists in the “good old days” in the U.S.S.R.).

    It appears that, so far, Obama is not backing down, he is “doubling down,” and, if I am right, somewhere around the bend there will be nowhere else to go but violence against his enemies, if he wants to ensure that his increasingly unpopular agenda gets rammed through.

  42. Wow, guys, all this jaundice and bile could be detrimental to your health. I celebrate my adult President who denies no one the right to talk, just notes the utter uselessness of sneer-smear-jeer-fear with which this blog is obviously infected. Let’s cast some beams out of our eyes, shall we?

  43. BTW: Hitler, Mussolini, narcissism, infallibility, drunk with power–such projections!
    And maybe this might help: “For every idle word a man speaketh, he will render an account, for by your words are you justified, and by your word condemned” Matt. 12: 36-37

  44. Given that they’re already making big noises about TGSCOM Inc. selling to the gym shooter and that college shooter, I’d expect an attack by that avenue. (Hm. Gee. You mean guys with social issues DIDN’T GO INTO A PHYSICAL GUN STORE? Next they’ll be informing us that geeks tend to shop over the internet more than others…..)

  45. thearosa,

    He’s not an “adult President”- he never let go of being a bully! He’s the one who told his people to “Get in their faces!” His words, not ours! His attitude smacks of “Shut the f@#$ up – I Won!” His words say a whole lot more than you think. He only had to say it again this week, in order for SEIU thugs to start the beatings.

    Obama is the Master Bully. And you support him.

    He’s not an adult – he’s cut from the same cloth as the men who unleashed the Basij on the Iranian people, the tomtom macoutes on the Haitian people, and the thugs against the Venezuelan people. If he can feel good about talking to our enemies and disdain our friends, how much more is he capable of doing against Americans in their own land?

    The only one projecting here is YOU. And no – you are NOT going to throw the Gospel in our faces because you don’t like what we say here! We’re told to be “wise as serpents”, not sitting ducks and little lambs to be eaten by ravenous lions at the Roman Circus! We’re speaking out against what your “adult President” is getting close to doing – to control the entire lives of a people who are Born Free.

    People who are Born Free and appreciate their Freedom will NEVER accept the actions of a Bully.

    He has been a Red Diaper baby his whole life – Marxism is in his blood, literally. The worst Marxists have a nasty habit of being smooth talkers. But we’re not going to fall for his “smooth talking” jibe. We’re not fooled. And that’s why we speak against this outrage.

  46. Honestly, count me in with Wolla, WRT some sort of manufactured violent incident (a la Reichstag fire) that will be an excuse to clamp down in a big law-enforcement way on so-called “enemies of the people”. After watching the video of the SEIU thugs beating up on a Tea Partier in St. Louis, and exercising their muscle at the various “open houses”, I just can’t help thinking it is the next step in intimidating political opposition. That is, after all, the Chicago way – as well as the way of all thugocracies, isn’t it?
    The amusing part will come when law-enforcement bodies are given illegal orders to arrest citizens for so-called political crimes. Will they obey those orders, or not? What will bodies like the ACLU do?
    Interesting time, people – interesting times.

  47. Ok, no sweat, I will simply lift all your jaundice, name-calling to the Divine. The only bullying I see is by screaming frightened elders ginned up by Limbaugh lies (not to mention Palin/Bachman) Go ahead, make my day and cling to your jaundiced delusions. There is no factual or intellectual or reasoned basis for these wild characterizations. Vincible ignorance is also morally culpable. Your very hatred testifies to your fear.
    Blessings upon you, poor babies!!

  48. wallo It appears that, so far, Obama is not backing down, he is “doubling down,” and, if I am right, somewhere around the bend there will be nowhere else to go but violence against his enemies, if he wants to ensure that his increasingly unpopular agenda gets rammed through.

    and there is the rub

    that the violence is a natural consequence of the actions that happen when such a situation is initiated. even if they really did have best intentions going in (and i doubt it), their very end justifies the means mandate, the refusal to recuse no matter how bad they do, and the desire for power to control a situation and turn it to their favor letting others do the dirty work, leads to the stanford experiment on a large scale.

    if they wanted the best state possible, then they would resign upon such loud and unanimous crowing, but they desire control more.

    for those who are not familiar:
    http://www.prisonexp.org/

    What happens when you put good people in an evil place? Does humanity win over evil, or does evil triumph? These are some of the questions we posed in this dramatic simulation of prison life conducted in the summer of 1971 at Stanford University.

    How we went about testing these questions and what we found may astound you. Our planned two-week investigation into the psychology of prison life had to be ended prematurely after only six days because of what the situation was doing to the college students who participated. In only a few days, our guards became sadistic and our prisoners became depressed and showed signs of extreme stress.

    not all animals can be domesticated, even over long periods of time and breeding. the dog has molded its genetics to ours and is our friend and servant, the cat is a parasite comparitively, and really isnt domesticated in the way that dogs, horses, and other animals.

    when it comes to herding and control, humans are more like cats. its easier to lead them around with bait than it is to herd them otherwise. problem is they are smart enough that most bait isnt good enough to get them en masse except utopia/heaven/nirvana/xanadu/Tian/(Bhuva, sawarga, mahar, jana, tapa, satya)/Eden/ (firdaus, adn, naiim,nawa, darussalaam, dararul muagaamah, al muggamul amin, khuldi)/ (Shamayim,Raquie,Shehaqim,Machen,Machon,Zebul,Araboth)/ (and many more)

    then again maybe humans can split the species between a governing group and a domesticated group.

    some researchers maintain that selective breeding rather than mutation or natural selection best explains how the process of domestication typically worked. Some of the most well-known evidence in support of selective breeding comes from an experiment by Russian scientist, Dmitri Belyaev, in the 1950s. His team spent many years breeding the Silver Fox (Vulpes vulpes) and selecting only those individuals that showed the least fear of humans. Eventually, Belyaev’s team selected only those that showed the most positive response to humans. He ended up with a population of grey-coloured foxes whose behavior and appearance was significantly changed. They no longer showed any fear of humans and often wagged their tails and licked their human caretakers to show affection. More importantly, these foxes had floppy ears, smaller skulls, rolled tails and other traits commonly found in dogs.

  49. theorosa, still invoking God, fails to acknowledge, the abortion angle in “Health Care reform”.

  50. thearosa Says:

    “Wow, guys, all this jaundice and bile could be detrimental to your health. I celebrate my adult President who denies no one the right to talk, just notes the utter uselessness of sneer-smear-jeer-fear with which this blog is obviously infected. Let’s cast some beams out of our eyes, shall we?”

    Hey, your not all wrong. None the less, leave our healthcare alone. We don’t want to be pushed into ‘public’ healthcare. Stop threatening to use government force to push us into it. Setting aside our concerns and powering forward to do what we asked you not to (while saying we are the ones lying about it / claiming your not doing exactly that) is not exactly going to get anyone to ‘settle down’.

  51. theorosa–I see that you like alliteration. I wonder when you are going to accuse us of being “nattering nabobs of negativism,” or something similar.

    The picture of you that I get is of someone who is, say, one of those employees who write determinedly upbeat things like “happy, happy, joy, joy” on the blackboard everyone has to pass on their way to the retirement home dining room, and that for you, in Obamaland everything is sunshine, lollipops and cute little bunnies, and that we are the cloud covering up the shining face of the Obamasun.

    I suggest that DailyKos might be a better venue for you.

  52. Wolla Dalbo Says:

    ” Obamaland everything is sunshine, lollipops and cute little bunnies, and that we are the cloud covering up the shining face of the Obamasun.”

    The reality is Obama has all the power (the dogs, the firehoses… aka the FBI, the IRS… not to mention Union muscle / thugs… which he is already deploying… and he is trying to force us into public healthcare with it / he is acting poorly and behaving badly with his power against the little guys (us, who don’t want to be in a public healthcare system)….

  53. The following from NewsBusters article that has an embedded video :
    “The media would like folks to believe that only Democrats are hearing it from constituents at town hall meetings this August, but given what happened to Rep. Bob Inglis (R-SC) Thursday evening, nothing could be further from the truth.

    As he spoke to a group of 350 citizens at the Upstate Family Resource Center in Boiling Springs, he asked an outspoken attendee why she was afraid of Barack Obama.

    Someone in the crowd suggested the Congressman watch Glenn Beck. Inglis replied, “Turn that television off when he comes on.”

    This was not well-received by folks who started loudly booing their Representative as many stood up and left the building.”

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/08/08/gop-congressman-booed-telling-people-turn-glenn-beck

  54. Theorosa, while the members of this community are capable of making their own arrangements with The Almighty, I always appreciate intercessions made on my behalf. I hope that when you speak with the Godhead, you will be open to any messages that might come back, no matter how unwelcome.

    For my part, I am usually instructed not to presume to speak for Him.

  55. I give you proof of birth but if Obama doesn’t we
    have no commander-in-cheif so he must go.

  56. The original sedition act didn’t last until the next elections.
    A new one may, and would prevent any campaigning in opposition to Obama (let alone voting for opposing candidates).

    Think the way elections are held in Zimbadwe for example.

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